WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
NickE wrote:Tweet from Gamble yesterday:
"Knowledge is power,& knowledge abt secrets of powerful people is real power".
What does he mean?
It's the glue that holds this stinking, filthy, corrupt establishment together!
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
NickE wrote:Tweet from Gamble yesterday:
"Knowledge is power,& knowledge abt secrets of powerful people is real power".
What does he mean?
If it wasn't for "powerful people" being mentioned I would say it was a threat to those looking into him. I therefore guess he has dirt on people that gives him confidence of being untouchable?
Or he could just be playing silly buggers on Twa*ter.
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I've just looked at Jim Gamble's tweets and I can't find the tweet you quote. Do you have a screenshot or a link?NickE wrote:Tweet from Gamble yesterday:
"Knowledge is power,& knowledge abt secrets of powerful people is real power".
What does he mean?
I don't do Twitter but I'm able to read Twitter and this is the only Twitter account I know of Jim Gamble.
https://twitter.com/jimgamble_ineqe
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@Nick E
I found the Tweet and here it is
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[*]Susan G Crocombe @shinybluedress Jul 7
How can this NOT be a paedophile ring? Surely the definition is "where 2 or 3 (or more) are gathered together?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-33408092 …
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[*]Rockpool @rockpool8 Jul 7
@shinybluedress ridiculous. How many CSA perpetrators actually act alone? Organised crime networks which share images & information.
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[*]Jim Gamble @JimGamble_INEQE Jul 7
@rockpool8 @shinybluedress IME most act alone it's the nature of their crime. Rings/grps who support/hide one another represent huge threats
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[*]Susan G Crocombe @shinybluedress Jul 7
@JimGamble_INEQE @rockpool8 yes - even the village idiots were powerful by the very fact that they colluded to hide & protect each other
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@shinybluedress @rockpool8 knowledge is power & knowledge abt the secrets of powerful people is real power
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How can this NOT be a paedophile ring? Surely the definition is "where 2 or 3 (or more) are gathered together?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-33408092 …
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Thank you
I didn't find this tweet direct from Gamble,someone else quoted his tweet on #mccann
I didn't find this tweet direct from Gamble,someone else quoted his tweet on #mccann
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
When searching for info on JG, it`s noticeable how he doesn`t give dates on his CV or in interviews during his time in the RUC. His Linkedin profile starts in 2000 and doesn`t mention the RUC. We don`t even know how old he is. In one interview the interviewer states JG has been in the police for 30 years - I assume that takes him up to starting at CEOP, so maybe he was born around 1956. If the 30 years takes him to when he left CEOP, he may have been born in 1961.
Whichever, it looks as if he could have been in the RUC in the 80s when the Stalker Inquiry took place (1984-1986). John Stalker discovered some pretty damning stuff about the RUC but he was prevented from interviewing some witnesses (don`t know who by) and afterwards someone tried to blacken his name. It seems it was a difficult time for John Stalker.
Anyway, I found this youtube video about it for anyone that`s interested.
Whichever, it looks as if he could have been in the RUC in the 80s when the Stalker Inquiry took place (1984-1986). John Stalker discovered some pretty damning stuff about the RUC but he was prevented from interviewing some witnesses (don`t know who by) and afterwards someone tried to blacken his name. It seems it was a difficult time for John Stalker.
Anyway, I found this youtube video about it for anyone that`s interested.
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
Jim Gamble is 56 years old, according to this article, which states he was 48 in 2007:Richard IV wrote:When searching for info on JG, it`s noticeable how he doesn`t give dates on his CV or in interviews during his time in the RUC. His Linkedin profile starts in 2000 and doesn`t mention the RUC. We don`t even know how old he is. In one interview the interviewer states JG has been in the police for 30 years - I assume that takes him up to starting at CEOP, so maybe he was born around 1956. If the 30 years takes him to when he left CEOP, he may have been born in 1961.
Whichever, it looks as if he could have been in the RUC in the 80s when the Stalker Inquiry took place (1984-1986). John Stalker discovered some pretty damning stuff about the RUC but he was prevented from interviewing some witnesses (don`t know who by) and afterwards someone tried to blacken his name. It seems it was a difficult time for John Stalker.
Anyway, I found this youtube video about it for anyone that`s interested.
By Bonnie Malkin
8:31AM BST 01 Jun 2007
- Prison is 'not the answer' for all paedophiles
With more than 25 years experience working in law enforcement, Jim Gamble, 48, is a true career policeman.
Before taking up his current job as the head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (Ceop) Centre in 2006, he worked as a superintendent in the Police Service of Northern Ireland and, most recently, as acting chief constable and head of the National Crime Squad.
During his time in Northern Ireland he covered both uniform and detective roles before leading anti-terrorist responses in Britain and abroad.
At the National Crime Squad - which deals with serious and organised crime - he oversaw a complex portfolio ranging from firearm deployment to hi-tech crime and intelligence to professional standards and security.
He also set up the National Crime Squad's specialist response cell - the Paedophile Online Investigation Team - and was involved in the creation of the first international law enforcement partnership to combat child abuse online - the Virtual Global Taskforce.
Mr Gamble is married with three children and lives in London.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/psni-officer-avoids-jail-for-attack-on-student-28701925.html
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Cheers for finding that sallypelt. So born abt 1959. If he was in the military police initially, seems he would not have been in the RUC around the time of the Stalker Inquiry, or still quite young.
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Special branch and MI5 used sexual deviance evidence to blackmail, coerce and turn terrorists in Northern Ireland to spy for them, both loyalist and republican. It was a dirty war and even the best operators could not break into their secure cell systems.
We of course don't know for certain Gamble's precise intelligence role at that time, but we do know that he did become head of CEOP
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kincora-boys-home-historic-abuse-inquiry-to-examine-abuse-claims-a7057116.html
We of course don't know for certain Gamble's precise intelligence role at that time, but we do know that he did become head of CEOP
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kincora-boys-home-historic-abuse-inquiry-to-examine-abuse-claims-a7057116.html
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Big Jim Gamble,Newcastle abuse?
Anyone see big Jim stating how as an ex Irish Police Officer that he would not have used an under cover operative to break down the child abuse ring in Newcastle,especially as the undercover operative was found guilty to a multitude of offences against Minors?Cammerigal wrote:Special branch and MI5 used sexual deviance evidence to blackmail, coerce and turn terrorists in Northern Ireland to spy for them, both loyalist and republican. It was a dirty war and even the best operators could not break into their secure cell systems.
We of course don't know for certain Gamble's precise intelligence role at that time, but we do know that he did become head of CEOP
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/kincora-boys-home-historic-abuse-inquiry-to-examine-abuse-claims-a7057116.html
no mention of your Trip to Thailand and going undercover to"Break the Paedophile Network"Eh Big Jim,having problems with your memory syndrome?
The UK public must now doubt just what is the Police role in "Child Protection"when it has been unearthed of how long the Police forces within the UK have turned a "Blind Eye"to these ghastly offences?
But just as the "aangirfan" states,have they(Police) been involved right from the start along with MI5/6,along with the Krays and Lord Boothby,eh Sir Cliff,"The Young Ones shouldn't be afraid"?
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Jim Gamble: 'I was under threat but was more fearful for my family'
1 1 Taking a stand: Jim Gamble has devoted much of his life to protecting children
May 19 2014
Q. You spent three decades in policing, what attracted you to it?
A. My father was in the RAF so I grew up with a service background. The natural progression was into the Army for me, I joined the military police. Ironically it provided me with an insight into divided communities that was very symbolic and visible. I was stationed in west Berlin so you had a physical structure which divided communities and actually two communities who desperately wanted to be together.
Q. You join the RUC, moved on to Special Branch, and then to England.
A. When I came back to Northern Ireland it was initially with the bomb squad in a military police role and then I came out and joined the RUC. I went through the ranks to be head of Special Branch in Belfast. As peace was breaking out I passed the strategic command course and ended up as the assistant chief constable in the National Crime Squad.
I then became deputy director general of the National Crime Squad. I was asked to build a new organisation called the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP). I resisted it at the beginning, I didn't think it was exactly what I wanted to do, and in the end it was one of the highlights of my career.
Q. Heading up Special Branch in Belfast brings with it all sorts of huge challenges and pressures, what was that time like?
A. I look back on my time with Special Branch as having been a privilege. I know some people will read this and not like that. First of all I understand it depends on the geography of where you were born in Northern Ireland, what your view of a particular issue or particular group of individuals will be. What I will say on my own part is I have been proud of many of the things I have done in my career and that pride is as strong as anywhere as regard that work we did in RUC Special Branch. I worked with people who made extraordinary sacrifices, exposed themselves to horrific levels of danger to keep people safe. You hear all sorts. Every organisation will have bad apples, people who are motivated to do the wrong thing.
But in my experience the vast majority of people I worked with were good, decent people who got up in the morning to go and do a job that was about keeping people safe. It was a different time and a different place. There's no doubt the lessons learned and skill sets developed in that arena helped me in the latter part of my career.
Q. That pressure and the concern for your safety and that of your family, how did you live with that? Were you subjected to death threats?
A. At that time the key was you retained a low profile. You went about your job and did your job in an environment in which police were under constant threat and not by accident but by design as people set out to murder and maim police officers. So that was always in the back of your mind.
Q. How do you deal with that?
A. I think anybody who has worked in a job which is inherently dangerous tends to survive on the basis of 'it won't be me'. It will happen to someone else. There were times you would have a close shave and pause and think of the risks. But the camaraderie and spirit in work kept you going. You were much more fearful for your family. What you said, where you lived. On occasions when you had to move, rapidly– overnight on one occasion – from somewhere your children grew up to a completely different area.
Q. Can you tell me more about those close shaves? How close was it?
A. No. But I recognise when saying that other people from other areas with different backgrounds and views would have experienced their own trauma. I don't see myself as a victim of the Troubles. I don't see myself as a victim, I don't see combatants as victims.
I do see those who were going about their business and were gunned down or blown up, I see them as innocent victims. If I carry a bomb into a building and I kill innocent people, those innocent people are victims. If I carried the bomb I am not innocent. Likewise, if I stood on the periphery of a riot and shot an unarmed rioter, who represented no threat to me, I am not a victim either.
Q. You would have lost colleagues, close friends – how did you feel when some of the perpetrators were being set free from prison?
A. It's never easy to see someone on the street who has inflicted the most horrific injuries, who has brutalised and murdered other human beings, whether they are Catholic or Protestant. It's never easy to see them enjoy liberty those no longer with us cannot.
I couldn't have been the person to enthusiastically agree that. What I do see now are the benefits we did accrue from it to allow the peace process to be delivered at the particular time. My children grew up in a period that was really dominated by hope, the fact we were moving in a new direction. I began not having to worry so much about them being in Belfast shopping but worry about the normal things parents do when they have sons or daughters. It's about how we respect the sacrifice of others in the past by collaborating and building a more positive future together.
Q. You served with the police for around 30 years, you were a highly-commended officer and you applied for the job of Chief Constable. Why did you not get it? Were you perceived as being outspoken or perhaps because of your security and intelligence background?
A. I think I was a round peg in a round hole at CEOP. The only job that could have attracted me away from that was Chief Constable of the PSNI. At the time I could not resist applying for it. Many of my friends said I was wasting my time because of my background with Special Branch, that would perhaps would be an impediment. Being shortlisted was an honour. Why didn't I get it? Maybe I wasn't good enough on the day. What I do believe with the gift of hindsight was that I wasn't the right person for the job given where we are now. Had I been chief constable people would have been more concerned during these fragile moments because of the political issues, the specific issues we see at the minute. My background as a Special Branch officer would have been unhelpful and perhaps unhealthy for the service. I've no complaints about that.
Q. Who would your money be on this time round?
A. Leadership in the country is critically important and one of the key leadership roles in Northern Ireland is that of a chief constable. Communities and the context of their role, aspirations and engagement with one another, with the police service – it's really important this time round we have the opportunity to select someone who understands that. There are some real good applicants in for it.
Q. Who stands out among the candidates?
A. Cressida Dick from the Met comes with a lot of experience in the Met but Northern Ireland is very, very different from that Metropolitan Police environment which is layer upon layer of management regime.
I think it's time for a local person and my own view is they have a candidate who fits that criteria. It's about having that leadership that knows who we are, warts and all. The sensitivities and when to be sensitive, but also the time to be right down the line.
If you're not right down the line with everybody then you have people saying why did you not do with them what you did with us. It's no surprise that out of the candidates, the best I believe is George Hamilton.
Q. What does he bring to the job?
A. I would hope the board recognise that in him they have an individual with all the right skills, who will make the right decisions and be scrupulously fair. I think George is someone who recognises the need to respect diversity beyond the rhetoric of saying the right thing. Real leadership is about being seen and being seen to do the right thing.
Q. Matt Baggott came here as a champion of neighbourhood policing. Was it too soon for that approach or style of policing here?
A. I think everybody wanted to be heading in a direction that was going to be about even greater integration with the community through the police service that we delivered. Matt came with the perfect CV for that.
I think maybe had we a better barometer at the time, had we known there were going to be the problems that there ultimately would be, you could argue that maybe one of the other candidates – certainly not me – would have brought some other skills. But at the end of the day it's about a blend. Matt has come in, he's faced a difficult task.
Hugh Orde was an excellent chief constable. Real strength of leadership and, agree or disagree with him, he knew what he wanted to do and he was prepared to stand up and be counted and do that. Matt came in at a time when everybody thought things were now fine and suddenly there were bumps in the road, there were real issues and they weren't going to be resolved in the short term without default to some of the older skill-sets around public order, community unrest.
Everybody thought we had already arrived at peace when Matt took over. To be fair, the last couple of years have shown we're quite far from it.
Q. Have the politicians failed him?
A. It's easy to blame politicians and I do that myself, quite frequently. I blame politicians for things at Westminster and sometimes I look at politicians here and shake my head. I think they can make the chief constable's life more difficult but they should hold the chief constable to account. The appropriate place to do that of course is through the Policing Board which I think has done a remarkable job and put politics in the right place.
Politicians outside of that governance structure can sometimes create real difficulties by simply saying things that are hugely provocative or that are unnecessary or unhelpful. Policing is so difficult and in Northern Ireland you are policing within that political context where it is not about getting it right for the powers that be, it's about being seen to get it right.
Q. Has he been too appeasing at times? During the disorder round flags and parades say?
A. It's unfair of me to cast judgment on Matt because he's been in the hotseat, he's had to make the difficult decisions. He's had to make those decisions about flags and when to intercede. All I can say is that had I been in that seat the flags protest would have been dealt with much more robustly and at an earlier stage.
Q. How would you have done that?
A. That could have been the wrong way to go because that may have inflamed the situation. I think when you have a protest, whether it's green or orange or somewhere in the middle, you have to take firm and decisive action at the earliest possible opportunity to prevent it escalating. Then again Matt in his role – and I've a lot of respect for him – would have access to all of the intelligence. He will know things you and I can't possibly know. We'll second guess those decisions. He might know the consequences of doing one thing a day early could have led to a massive escalation. It's easy to be the chief constable from an armchair. He's had that job and during what has been a difficult time.
Q. As well as the disorder of the past couple of years, we saw an increase in so-called dissident republican activity. What's your assessment of the threat they pose?
A. I've no insight but I don't feel we are on the brink of going back to where we were or anywhere near that. It's always worrying. It's worrying from a personal security point of view, for retired colleagues and for those colleagues today living in areas I wouldn't possibly have done in the past. That puts them and the community in a difficult position and that's where you look to your political leaders.
Q. What did you make of the comments of Martin McGuinness recently when he referred to dark forces and a cabal within police?
A. The Deputy First Minister is entitled to his view. Ironically he's somebody I've watched over the past number of years with interest because I think he is someone who has developed as a political leader. I've seen him at times when others have said things I wish they wouldn't, he has been considered about his language.
I was therefore really disappointed when things escalated in the way they did when the police were simply doing the job they are employed to do.
Q. You now specialise in child safety. How did you go from Special Branch to heading up CEOP?
A. By accident as opposed to design. The move from Northern Ireland with the experience at Special Branch to National Crime Squad was a simple one which made sense.
As assistant chief constable for intelligence and operational support I worked in the fight against organised crime, from drug-dealing to human trafficking and financial crimes.
Almost by a quirk of fate one day I was asked to carry out a review of an operation called Operation Ore. Once I completed that review I recommended that because of the complexity of the technology involved, the weight of data coming in, that there needed to be an approach that was child-centred.
Within a few days I was appointed as the lead for co-ordination of Operation Ore which for some was seen as contentious. I saw it as a huge success in that identified and located over 100 children and over the years it unfolded held more than 2,500 people to account. Having done that I was offered to take on the role setting up what was to become CEOP.
Q. Have you had any doubts about doing this job?
A. I was on a trip to Cambodia and while I was there I saw square mile after square mile of rubbish, steaming rubbish. Dump trucks would come in and drop off more rubbish and children of three, four and five years of age would rummage through it. If they could fill a sack the same height if not higher than themselves they would get 25 cents.
You realise then the environment, that vulnerability. Then when you see Western men were visiting there and were buying those children for between seven and 12 dollars, taking them to their hotel and abusing them, you recognise suffering in a different way.
For me it was almost a road to Damascus-type of conversion. What an honour to have an opportunity to build something where you are part of a team of very special people. To build something which has actually made a difference in a young person's life.
Q. You invested a lot in CEOP, you built it up but then you walk away in 2010. Do you regret it?
A. I came to the point it was a matter of principle. For me it was the right thing. My fear was that it would be subsumed into a larger organisation. The Home Secretary said it would retain its identity, its profile and they would build on the success it had. Well, arrests have dropped in the last three years, the sign outside CEOP no longer says CEOP. It says National Crime Agency. Its profile has dropped. In NCA the C stands for crime. In CEOP the C always stood for children.
Q. One of the cases you have been involved in was the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Do you think her parents Kate and Gerry will ever get the answers they crave?
A. I think Gerry and Kate McCann will get closure in my lifetime. My heart goes out to them. I never cease to be appalled by some of the things people say.
A woman on the radio earlier was more fixated that Kate and Gerry left the kids and went for a meal.
You know what? Lots of people make mistakes. Few people pay this price. Sometimes people should just think before they speak.
Belfast Telegraph
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/jim-gamble-i-was-under-threat-but-was-more-fearful-for-my-family-30283285.html
One big happy family innit?
Chris Kilpatrick talks to the former head of Special Branch in Belfast who applied to be PSNI chief constable and was chief executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.
1 1 Taking a stand: Jim Gamble has devoted much of his life to protecting children
May 19 2014
Q. You spent three decades in policing, what attracted you to it?
A. My father was in the RAF so I grew up with a service background. The natural progression was into the Army for me, I joined the military police. Ironically it provided me with an insight into divided communities that was very symbolic and visible. I was stationed in west Berlin so you had a physical structure which divided communities and actually two communities who desperately wanted to be together.
Q. You join the RUC, moved on to Special Branch, and then to England.
A. When I came back to Northern Ireland it was initially with the bomb squad in a military police role and then I came out and joined the RUC. I went through the ranks to be head of Special Branch in Belfast. As peace was breaking out I passed the strategic command course and ended up as the assistant chief constable in the National Crime Squad.
I then became deputy director general of the National Crime Squad. I was asked to build a new organisation called the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP). I resisted it at the beginning, I didn't think it was exactly what I wanted to do, and in the end it was one of the highlights of my career.
Q. Heading up Special Branch in Belfast brings with it all sorts of huge challenges and pressures, what was that time like?
A. I look back on my time with Special Branch as having been a privilege. I know some people will read this and not like that. First of all I understand it depends on the geography of where you were born in Northern Ireland, what your view of a particular issue or particular group of individuals will be. What I will say on my own part is I have been proud of many of the things I have done in my career and that pride is as strong as anywhere as regard that work we did in RUC Special Branch. I worked with people who made extraordinary sacrifices, exposed themselves to horrific levels of danger to keep people safe. You hear all sorts. Every organisation will have bad apples, people who are motivated to do the wrong thing.
But in my experience the vast majority of people I worked with were good, decent people who got up in the morning to go and do a job that was about keeping people safe. It was a different time and a different place. There's no doubt the lessons learned and skill sets developed in that arena helped me in the latter part of my career.
Q. That pressure and the concern for your safety and that of your family, how did you live with that? Were you subjected to death threats?
A. At that time the key was you retained a low profile. You went about your job and did your job in an environment in which police were under constant threat and not by accident but by design as people set out to murder and maim police officers. So that was always in the back of your mind.
Q. How do you deal with that?
A. I think anybody who has worked in a job which is inherently dangerous tends to survive on the basis of 'it won't be me'. It will happen to someone else. There were times you would have a close shave and pause and think of the risks. But the camaraderie and spirit in work kept you going. You were much more fearful for your family. What you said, where you lived. On occasions when you had to move, rapidly– overnight on one occasion – from somewhere your children grew up to a completely different area.
Q. Can you tell me more about those close shaves? How close was it?
A. No. But I recognise when saying that other people from other areas with different backgrounds and views would have experienced their own trauma. I don't see myself as a victim of the Troubles. I don't see myself as a victim, I don't see combatants as victims.
I do see those who were going about their business and were gunned down or blown up, I see them as innocent victims. If I carry a bomb into a building and I kill innocent people, those innocent people are victims. If I carried the bomb I am not innocent. Likewise, if I stood on the periphery of a riot and shot an unarmed rioter, who represented no threat to me, I am not a victim either.
Q. You would have lost colleagues, close friends – how did you feel when some of the perpetrators were being set free from prison?
A. It's never easy to see someone on the street who has inflicted the most horrific injuries, who has brutalised and murdered other human beings, whether they are Catholic or Protestant. It's never easy to see them enjoy liberty those no longer with us cannot.
I couldn't have been the person to enthusiastically agree that. What I do see now are the benefits we did accrue from it to allow the peace process to be delivered at the particular time. My children grew up in a period that was really dominated by hope, the fact we were moving in a new direction. I began not having to worry so much about them being in Belfast shopping but worry about the normal things parents do when they have sons or daughters. It's about how we respect the sacrifice of others in the past by collaborating and building a more positive future together.
Q. You served with the police for around 30 years, you were a highly-commended officer and you applied for the job of Chief Constable. Why did you not get it? Were you perceived as being outspoken or perhaps because of your security and intelligence background?
A. I think I was a round peg in a round hole at CEOP. The only job that could have attracted me away from that was Chief Constable of the PSNI. At the time I could not resist applying for it. Many of my friends said I was wasting my time because of my background with Special Branch, that would perhaps would be an impediment. Being shortlisted was an honour. Why didn't I get it? Maybe I wasn't good enough on the day. What I do believe with the gift of hindsight was that I wasn't the right person for the job given where we are now. Had I been chief constable people would have been more concerned during these fragile moments because of the political issues, the specific issues we see at the minute. My background as a Special Branch officer would have been unhelpful and perhaps unhealthy for the service. I've no complaints about that.
Q. Who would your money be on this time round?
A. Leadership in the country is critically important and one of the key leadership roles in Northern Ireland is that of a chief constable. Communities and the context of their role, aspirations and engagement with one another, with the police service – it's really important this time round we have the opportunity to select someone who understands that. There are some real good applicants in for it.
Q. Who stands out among the candidates?
A. Cressida Dick from the Met comes with a lot of experience in the Met but Northern Ireland is very, very different from that Metropolitan Police environment which is layer upon layer of management regime.
I think it's time for a local person and my own view is they have a candidate who fits that criteria. It's about having that leadership that knows who we are, warts and all. The sensitivities and when to be sensitive, but also the time to be right down the line.
If you're not right down the line with everybody then you have people saying why did you not do with them what you did with us. It's no surprise that out of the candidates, the best I believe is George Hamilton.
Q. What does he bring to the job?
A. I would hope the board recognise that in him they have an individual with all the right skills, who will make the right decisions and be scrupulously fair. I think George is someone who recognises the need to respect diversity beyond the rhetoric of saying the right thing. Real leadership is about being seen and being seen to do the right thing.
Q. Matt Baggott came here as a champion of neighbourhood policing. Was it too soon for that approach or style of policing here?
A. I think everybody wanted to be heading in a direction that was going to be about even greater integration with the community through the police service that we delivered. Matt came with the perfect CV for that.
I think maybe had we a better barometer at the time, had we known there were going to be the problems that there ultimately would be, you could argue that maybe one of the other candidates – certainly not me – would have brought some other skills. But at the end of the day it's about a blend. Matt has come in, he's faced a difficult task.
Hugh Orde was an excellent chief constable. Real strength of leadership and, agree or disagree with him, he knew what he wanted to do and he was prepared to stand up and be counted and do that. Matt came in at a time when everybody thought things were now fine and suddenly there were bumps in the road, there were real issues and they weren't going to be resolved in the short term without default to some of the older skill-sets around public order, community unrest.
Everybody thought we had already arrived at peace when Matt took over. To be fair, the last couple of years have shown we're quite far from it.
Q. Have the politicians failed him?
A. It's easy to blame politicians and I do that myself, quite frequently. I blame politicians for things at Westminster and sometimes I look at politicians here and shake my head. I think they can make the chief constable's life more difficult but they should hold the chief constable to account. The appropriate place to do that of course is through the Policing Board which I think has done a remarkable job and put politics in the right place.
Politicians outside of that governance structure can sometimes create real difficulties by simply saying things that are hugely provocative or that are unnecessary or unhelpful. Policing is so difficult and in Northern Ireland you are policing within that political context where it is not about getting it right for the powers that be, it's about being seen to get it right.
Q. Has he been too appeasing at times? During the disorder round flags and parades say?
A. It's unfair of me to cast judgment on Matt because he's been in the hotseat, he's had to make the difficult decisions. He's had to make those decisions about flags and when to intercede. All I can say is that had I been in that seat the flags protest would have been dealt with much more robustly and at an earlier stage.
Q. How would you have done that?
A. That could have been the wrong way to go because that may have inflamed the situation. I think when you have a protest, whether it's green or orange or somewhere in the middle, you have to take firm and decisive action at the earliest possible opportunity to prevent it escalating. Then again Matt in his role – and I've a lot of respect for him – would have access to all of the intelligence. He will know things you and I can't possibly know. We'll second guess those decisions. He might know the consequences of doing one thing a day early could have led to a massive escalation. It's easy to be the chief constable from an armchair. He's had that job and during what has been a difficult time.
Q. As well as the disorder of the past couple of years, we saw an increase in so-called dissident republican activity. What's your assessment of the threat they pose?
A. I've no insight but I don't feel we are on the brink of going back to where we were or anywhere near that. It's always worrying. It's worrying from a personal security point of view, for retired colleagues and for those colleagues today living in areas I wouldn't possibly have done in the past. That puts them and the community in a difficult position and that's where you look to your political leaders.
Q. What did you make of the comments of Martin McGuinness recently when he referred to dark forces and a cabal within police?
A. The Deputy First Minister is entitled to his view. Ironically he's somebody I've watched over the past number of years with interest because I think he is someone who has developed as a political leader. I've seen him at times when others have said things I wish they wouldn't, he has been considered about his language.
I was therefore really disappointed when things escalated in the way they did when the police were simply doing the job they are employed to do.
Q. You now specialise in child safety. How did you go from Special Branch to heading up CEOP?
A. By accident as opposed to design. The move from Northern Ireland with the experience at Special Branch to National Crime Squad was a simple one which made sense.
As assistant chief constable for intelligence and operational support I worked in the fight against organised crime, from drug-dealing to human trafficking and financial crimes.
Almost by a quirk of fate one day I was asked to carry out a review of an operation called Operation Ore. Once I completed that review I recommended that because of the complexity of the technology involved, the weight of data coming in, that there needed to be an approach that was child-centred.
Within a few days I was appointed as the lead for co-ordination of Operation Ore which for some was seen as contentious. I saw it as a huge success in that identified and located over 100 children and over the years it unfolded held more than 2,500 people to account. Having done that I was offered to take on the role setting up what was to become CEOP.
Q. Have you had any doubts about doing this job?
A. I was on a trip to Cambodia and while I was there I saw square mile after square mile of rubbish, steaming rubbish. Dump trucks would come in and drop off more rubbish and children of three, four and five years of age would rummage through it. If they could fill a sack the same height if not higher than themselves they would get 25 cents.
You realise then the environment, that vulnerability. Then when you see Western men were visiting there and were buying those children for between seven and 12 dollars, taking them to their hotel and abusing them, you recognise suffering in a different way.
For me it was almost a road to Damascus-type of conversion. What an honour to have an opportunity to build something where you are part of a team of very special people. To build something which has actually made a difference in a young person's life.
Q. You invested a lot in CEOP, you built it up but then you walk away in 2010. Do you regret it?
A. I came to the point it was a matter of principle. For me it was the right thing. My fear was that it would be subsumed into a larger organisation. The Home Secretary said it would retain its identity, its profile and they would build on the success it had. Well, arrests have dropped in the last three years, the sign outside CEOP no longer says CEOP. It says National Crime Agency. Its profile has dropped. In NCA the C stands for crime. In CEOP the C always stood for children.
Q. One of the cases you have been involved in was the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Do you think her parents Kate and Gerry will ever get the answers they crave?
A. I think Gerry and Kate McCann will get closure in my lifetime. My heart goes out to them. I never cease to be appalled by some of the things people say.
A woman on the radio earlier was more fixated that Kate and Gerry left the kids and went for a meal.
You know what? Lots of people make mistakes. Few people pay this price. Sometimes people should just think before they speak.
Belfast Telegraph
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/jim-gamble-i-was-under-threat-but-was-more-fearful-for-my-family-30283285.html
One big happy family innit?
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Big Jim Gamble,Newcastle abuse?
Hi Verdi,thanks for the post n Big Jim's career,doesn't mention anything about Kincora and his Special Branch connections,MI5/6?
Jim Gamble is wheeled out to "Sooth the public mood"on child based issues,Newcastle,Rochdale,South Yorkshire 1400 abused girls?
Is Big Jim another one of those"Special Expertise"Officers who seem to have problems with their "Cognitive Dissonance" procrastinating on what happened to Madeleine McCann,seems as though Jim,Martin B and sir Bernard Hogan Howe all felt to be ,"We'er All In This Together"moment on the Dossier handed to them from a Family friend of the McCann's involving the tragedy of Mrs Brenda Leyland,public persecuted via Sky News Corporation?
Did you have any involvement in the publishing of articles related to Madeleine's Wayback Machine dates,eh Jim,air Brooshing the dates of their origin?
Jim Gamble is wheeled out to "Sooth the public mood"on child based issues,Newcastle,Rochdale,South Yorkshire 1400 abused girls?
Is Big Jim another one of those"Special Expertise"Officers who seem to have problems with their "Cognitive Dissonance" procrastinating on what happened to Madeleine McCann,seems as though Jim,Martin B and sir Bernard Hogan Howe all felt to be ,"We'er All In This Together"moment on the Dossier handed to them from a Family friend of the McCann's involving the tragedy of Mrs Brenda Leyland,public persecuted via Sky News Corporation?
Did you have any involvement in the publishing of articles related to Madeleine's Wayback Machine dates,eh Jim,air Brooshing the dates of their origin?
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
It wasn't intended to link to Kincora or any possible MI5/6 connection. I don't decry drawing attention to anything that might throw further light on the progress of Gamble's dubious career but on this occasion, I'm more interested in his direct connection with the Metropolitan police, Leicester Police and the McCann affair - not forgetting his time as head of the CEOP.willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi,thanks for the post n Big Jim's career,doesn't mention anything about Kincora and his Special Branch connections,MI5/6?
It's on public record that Gamble was shorlisted for the position of Chief Constable for the Police Service of Northern Ireland, standing against, amongst others, Bernard Hogan-Howe and Matthew Baggott of Leicestershire Constabulary (the successful candidate) - both very vocal, if not heavily involved, in Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
NI's chief constable accused of obstructing Troubles' investigations
3rd June 2014
NI's chief constable is being taken to court over claims he obstructed Police Ombudsman investigations into allegations against the police in 60 murders.
The action has been brought by NI's Police Ombudsman Michael Maguire.
He is attempting to force the chief constable to hand over sensitive intelligence material.
The PSNI said it believed it had responded appropriately to each request on a case-by-case basis.
Mr Maguire said he had no option because he had received more than 100 refusals for information.
He said the material was needed for his investigators to do their jobs.
This is an unprecedented legal action by the police ombudsman (PONI).
Mr Maguire claimed Chief Constable Matt Baggott was making it impossible to investigate allegations of serious criminal activity and misconduct.
"At this point in time, the police have refused us access to 100 pieces of information involving investigations surrounding in the region of 60 murders," he told the BBC.
Read on..
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27682154
As I said recently, funny how Ireland features so prominently in this McCann saga .
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
John Stalker who sits on the forum header above, was in 1983 a deputy chief constable in the Manchester police force, tasked with investigating allegations of a shoot to kill policy in Northern Ireland by the then RUC.
It was alleged if I remember correctly that the RUC had shot dead members of the IRA instead of arresting them.
Stalker claimed he knew of six deaths by shooting, five he had investigated and one which he believed MI5 had recorded and Stalker wanted it.
Stalker was removed from the inquiry and was investigated for being friendly with a criminal. Stalker thought there was a "Masonic connection" within the force which wanted him removed.
This of course is before Baggott and Gamble were around.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/john-stalker-police-murders-ruc-12383906
It was alleged if I remember correctly that the RUC had shot dead members of the IRA instead of arresting them.
Stalker claimed he knew of six deaths by shooting, five he had investigated and one which he believed MI5 had recorded and Stalker wanted it.
Stalker was removed from the inquiry and was investigated for being friendly with a criminal. Stalker thought there was a "Masonic connection" within the force which wanted him removed.
This of course is before Baggott and Gamble were around.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/john-stalker-police-murders-ruc-12383906
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
Lest you forget, there is an excellent comprehensive write-up about Jim Gamble here..
Rogue of the Day - #125 on page 5
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13381p100-rogue-of-the-day-new-nominate-your-candidates-for-our-top-ten-mccann-rogues?highlight=rogue+of+the+day
There is also a feature on Matt Baggott (I include as the two are intertwined) #45 on page 2
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13381p25-rogue-of-the-day-new-nominate-your-candidates-for-our-top-ten-mccann-rogues?highlight=rogue+of+the+day#top
Rogue of the Day - #125 on page 5
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13381p100-rogue-of-the-day-new-nominate-your-candidates-for-our-top-ten-mccann-rogues?highlight=rogue+of+the+day
There is also a feature on Matt Baggott (I include as the two are intertwined) #45 on page 2
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13381p25-rogue-of-the-day-new-nominate-your-candidates-for-our-top-ten-mccann-rogues?highlight=rogue+of+the+day#top
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Hi Verdi,surely this cannot be the Mathew Baggot who declared that either one of Madeleine McCann's parents,knew more than they had allowed to be aired to the public on Madeleine's disappearance and of Not being entirely innocent?
Thanks for the link of Mr Michael Maguire being mislead by Matt Baggot,Northern Irelands Chief Constable looking into Deaths in Ireland?
They must have learned these techniques whilst serving beside Sir Bernard Hogan Howe on how to obfuscate(Bull sh*t)to the public whilst "Grinning"at the same time,masterpiece of Hendon Training Centre?
Perhaps all the Police Forces within the UK and held responsible for the Safety of the Public have colluded or allowed certain "Cronies"evade Justice in and around child abuse,as it is becoming clearer,they knew more than they stated to the public,isnt that"Misconduct in Public Office"?
now if you can put the abuses carried out in Jersey,Northern Ireland,Magic circle in Scotland,Bryn Alyn,Estyn in Wales,ad in Rochdale and the various London Boroughs,Islington,Richmond Park,Elm guest House and the "Care Homes scandal"anyone would think there was a massive problem of child abuse in the United Kingdom,wouldn't you?
Ah,but didn't Lord Hague investigate the Care Homes in and around Wales costing Millions of pounds,only to find their was No Paedophile rings working around the"Care Homes"?
Thanks for the link of Mr Michael Maguire being mislead by Matt Baggot,Northern Irelands Chief Constable looking into Deaths in Ireland?
They must have learned these techniques whilst serving beside Sir Bernard Hogan Howe on how to obfuscate(Bull sh*t)to the public whilst "Grinning"at the same time,masterpiece of Hendon Training Centre?
Perhaps all the Police Forces within the UK and held responsible for the Safety of the Public have colluded or allowed certain "Cronies"evade Justice in and around child abuse,as it is becoming clearer,they knew more than they stated to the public,isnt that"Misconduct in Public Office"?
now if you can put the abuses carried out in Jersey,Northern Ireland,Magic circle in Scotland,Bryn Alyn,Estyn in Wales,ad in Rochdale and the various London Boroughs,Islington,Richmond Park,Elm guest House and the "Care Homes scandal"anyone would think there was a massive problem of child abuse in the United Kingdom,wouldn't you?
Ah,but didn't Lord Hague investigate the Care Homes in and around Wales costing Millions of pounds,only to find their was No Paedophile rings working around the"Care Homes"?
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Re: WAS JIM GAMBLE A CORRUPT POLICE OFFICER IN NORTHERN IRELAND? – AND DID HE AUTHORISE OR COVER UP MURDERS?
To be sure - to be sure - to be sure .willowthewisp wrote:Perhaps all the Police Forces within the UK and held responsible for the Safety of the Public have colluded or allowed certain "Cronies"evade Justice in and around child abuse,as it is becoming clearer,they knew more than they stated to the public,isnt that"Misconduct in Public Office"?
NB: Never forget to include Lambeth in your list of accountable London Boroughs!
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THE SNP has called on the UK Government to urgently clarify how many papers have been “lost” from the National Archives.
The Westminster Government was forced to admit yesterday that hundreds of papers have gone missing from the Archives, including documents relating to Northern Ireland’s Troubles, the Falklands War and British dealings with Palestine and Israel after the Second World War.
http://thenational.scot/news/15793310.SNP_to_demand_clarity_from_Westminster_over_missing_archive_papers/
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