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Janner allegedly abused children in the Houses of Parliament

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Janner allegedly abused children in the Houses of Parliament

Post by sallypelt on 23.06.15 20:57

I am sitting at my pc trying to find words to describe the disgust I feel about members of our establishment, but words fail me.
I must have been brought up on a different planet because growing up I never heard such things. This country is broken and I fear that there is no way of fixing it.

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/uk/article/janner-abuse-in-parliament/173161/

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/uk/article/politicians-must-face-abuse-trial/173140/

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Post by worriedmum on 23.06.15 21:10

I agree.Utterly shameful .

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Post by sallypelt on 23.06.15 21:20

Chilling day Special Branch swooped to seize ANOTHER dossier on VIP abusers: 16 MPs' names mentioned in 1984 report on paedophile lobby's influence in Westminster


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697947/Chilling-day-Special-Branch-swooped-seize-ANOTHER-dossier-VIP-abusers-16-MPs-names-mentioned-1984-report-paedophile-lobby-s-influence-Westminster.html

Anyone heard of journalist Don Hale? Is he one of the last investigative journalists and why is he putting his head above the parapet now after more than 30 years?

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Post by Doug D on 23.06.15 21:48

Sally P,

I think Don Hale is the journo who was sat-on by Special Branch up in Rochdale re Cyril Smith. Will check.

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Post by Doug D on 23.06.15 21:52

Yes he was.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jul/15/daily-star-sunday-cyril-smith

eta

Sorry, just read your link & it already says this.

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Post by sallypelt on 23.06.15 22:11

Just Jo aka Mary Moss on legalaidcuts.blogspot 14.1.13 comment.
Ray Wire set up the Gracewell Clinic for abusers and yet gossip in my day years ago was that he was showing them kiddie porn and calling it aversion therapy. The
McCann‟s probably did not know about him but having dinner with him wasn‟t the
 best move they could have made. I hope they find their kid we all do

Who is Ray Wire?

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Post by Doug D on 23.06.15 22:19

Ray Wyre 'biography':

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id74.html

Yet another of the dodgy experts brought into the McCann fold.

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Post by sallypelt on 23.06.15 22:24

@Doug D wrote:Ray Wyre 'biography':

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id74.html

Yet another of the dodgy experts brought into the McCann fold.
Thank you, Doug D. Yes, another "coincidence"?

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Post by Doug D on 23.06.15 22:50

From just reading this thread, people may not be aware that Dr. Ray Wire (Wyre), self-appointed expert, can be found on P77 of the 'unauthenticated' Elm Guest House Party list.

Obviously part of his 'research'!!!!!!!

Who else are we aware of that popped out to Thailand in the cause of research? (Rhetorical)

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Post by sallypelt on 23.06.15 23:37

A Live Wyre [url=http://www.faascotland.co.uk/A live Wyre.htm]False Allegations Action Scotland[/url]

Penny Campbell
15 February 2006



Ray Wyre continues to be a regular speaker in conferences regarding child protection or the management of sex offenders (though he does not consider an adult abuser who was abused as a child to be a 'sex offender'), in the UK and worldwide.

This month Wyre was in the news again, calling for a new organisation to be formed to tackle self-employed persons who may be considered a risk to children. Working with him is Labour MP Dan Norris. Norris has a background in social work and child protection. His allegations against colleagues whilst working as a teacher in a care home prior to his training as a social worker, resulted in dismissals and the closure of the home.

Wyre is currently involved in a prominent residential school case in Scotland.



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id74.html

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Post by tinkier on 24.06.15 1:37

@sallypelt wrote:I am sitting at my pc trying to find words to describe the disgust I feel about members of our establishment, but words fail me.
I must have been brought up on a different planet because growing up I never heard such things. This country is broken and I fear that there is no way of fixing it.

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/uk/article/janner-abuse-in-parliament/173161/

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/uk/article/politicians-must-face-abuse-trial/173140/


I agree…..This Wyre monster, a self proclaimed international expert in the field of sexual crime, credited as a child protection expert? This beast has  worked around children for many many years, has even been called upon to give his "expert" advice on many many occasions! Now he has been found to have alleged links to EGH. The Janner abuse saga, young boys taken to the houses of parliament and abused! 


We read more and more about cases like this on an almost daily basis now.  Until they start to weed out these monsters, regardless of their social standing, sadly nothing will change! I don't believe there is a cure for these people, they will always be a threat to children, always! 

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Post by Doug D on 24.06.15 8:26

Andrew Watt’s blog/public letter dated 22nd June 2015:
 
Concerns regarding Greville Janner and Keith Vaz MP - Report to the Metropolitan Police
 
http://ukchildabuseinquiry.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/concerns-regarding-greville-janner-and.html
 
Brief snip from very long post:
 
‘It is reported that in April 2014 Lord Janner’s “dementia” was so severe that he could not be interviewed by Leicestershire Police with respect to the widely publicised allegations of multiple instances of serious child abuse by Lord Janner.
 
One question in the public mind, or in the mind of at least some members of the public, is whether Lord Janner’s “dementia” is a convenient fiction or is an embellishment of the facts with a view to Lord Janner escaping prosecution for the alleged child sexual offences.
 
Events of 2nd and 3rd June 2014
 
In yesterday’s Mail on Sunday it is reported that on 2nd and 3rd June 2014 Lord Janner claimed parking expenses seemingly in the sum of £64.80 on the basis that Lord Janner was on Parliamentary business.
 
A House of Lords spokesman is reported as saying that Lord Janner confirmed to them that on those dates he had been on Parliamentary business. It is unclear whether the clarification by Lord Janner was verbal or written.
 
It is further reported that “a representative of Lord Janner” confirmed that he (Lord Janner) had been “doing parliamentary work” on 2nd and 3rd June.
 
If it is genuinely the case that Lord Janner had dementia so severe that he could not be interviewed in April 2014 by the Police, it seems, at a minimum, very strange that he could genuinely have been on Parliamentary business almost two months later.
 
It seems to me that the way in which the situation is viewed could be clarified to a significant extent by the simple expedient of establishing the facts with respect to these two questions:
 
1.  Did Lord Janner drive himself to the House of Lord on 2nd June 2014, on 3rd June 2014, on both or neither?
2.  Were Lord Janner’s visits to the House of Lords on 2nd June 2014 and 3rd June 2014 genuinely on Parliamentary business or not?
 
Once those facts have been ascertained, other necessary investigation may follow.’

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