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Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

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Post by PeterMac on 18.06.15 15:16

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13340516.Scots_holidaying_in_Cyprus_holiday_resort_where_group_attempted_to_abduct_children/?

Authorities in Cyprus have denied that there was a child abduction attempt at a hotel popular with British holiday makers.

An investigation was launched following an incident on June 16 at the Anastasia beach complex in Protaras.
Dundee holidaymaker Greg Letford, 28, told the Daily Record newspaper that a couple had led two young children towards a waiting car and another person had a third child "ready to go".
However local police said only that a 19-year-old man had been questioned and released after tourists reported seeing a man filming young children on his mobile phone.

Nothing untoward was found on his phone or during a search of his home, the force said.
The Foreign Office confirmed they had provided assistance to a British family following a "concerning incident", while tour operator Thomas Cook said the matter was being taken "incredibly seriously."
Police deputy spokeswoman Nikoletta Tyrimou told the Cyprus Mail: "We questioned the suspect, went through his phone and also searched his home.
"Nothing we found suggests that he is part of a child-abducting gang or that he was stalking children.

"He has since been released while police take statements from all those present at the scene."
Hotel operator Tsokkos said the child abduction claims were "completely unjustifiable".

The Anastasia beach complex, on the eastern tip of Cyprus, is described on the Thomas Cook website as being a "perfect family choice".
A spokeswoman said: "The safety and welfare of our customers is always our first priority and upon hearing about the incident we immediately deployed our experienced resort team to the property to provide those customers in residence with individual support.
"Customers who did not wish to stay at the property were immediately moved to alternative hotels of a similar or higher standard.
"While incidents of this nature are extremely rare, we would like to reassure all customers that this is being taken incredibly seriously and we are continuing to work closely with the local authorities and the hotel as the investigation continues.
"Any customers with concerns about future holidays at this hotel are asked to contact us directly so that we can deal with them personally and directly."
A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokesman said: "Our consular officers provided advice and support to the family involved following this concerning incident. This is now a matter for the local police who are investigating."

Tsokkos said in a statement: "According to the police investigation, the claims of child abduction are completely unjustifiable and invalid as nothing was found to suggest that the person involved intended to carry out such an act.
     
"The 19-year-old man involved is not an employee of the hotel and is not a known person to either the management or staff.
"The safety and welfare of our guests is always our first priority and upon becoming aware of the incident, we immediately increased the security personnel at the hotel as well as deployed more management members throughout the property to offer all in-house guests assistance and any other support needed."

But he was foreign, and probably smelled of garlic and mumbled and walked with a limp . . .
So he is McGuilty

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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.06.15 17:57

But he was foreign, and probably smelled of garlic and mumbled and walked with a limp . . .
So he is McGuilty
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And not 'forgetting' he used his mobile phone, within a 1539km 'radius' of the hotel to order a pizza.

But i think what really, really, alerted 'people', that an 'abduction' was imminent, was them seeing a big red tractor, parked right in front of the main hotel entrance.

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Post by ChippyM on 18.06.15 18:20

@PeterMac wrote:........

But he was foreign, and probably smelled of garlic and mumbled and walked with a limp . . .
So he is McGuilty

Ahh the smelly burgulator bloke, how I've missed him!

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Post by Gaggzy on 18.06.15 18:23

@jeanmonroe wrote:But he was foreign, and probably smelled of garlic and mumbled and walked with a limp . . .
So he is McGuilty
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And not 'forgetting' he used his mobile phone, within a 1539km 'radius' of the hotel to order a pizza.

But i think what really, really, alerted 'people', that an 'abduction' was imminent, was them seeing a big red tractor, parked right in front of the main hotel entrance.

..... being driven by a deceased African guy, backed-up by a few ugly, spotty-faced blokes shaking collection boxes at all and sundry.

'Oh no,' they cried, 'run, run .... look, here comes smelly pot-bellied Super Bock Man ... with his fricking feet wrapped in bandages so he doesn't leave no goddamned trace!!!!'

'We're doomed, we're doomed. We're all gonna be abducteeeed.'

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Post by lj on 19.06.15 5:50

@ChippyM wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:........

But he was foreign, and probably smelled of garlic and mumbled and walked with a limp . . .
So he is McGuilty

Ahh the smelly burgulator bloke, how I've missed him!


Didn't he have a target on his back or belly?

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Post by worriedmum on 19.06.15 9:09

lol!

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Post by aquila on 19.06.15 9:17

@lj wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:........

But he was foreign, and probably smelled of garlic and mumbled and walked with a limp . . .
So he is McGuilty

Ahh the smelly burgulator bloke, how I've missed him!


Didn't he have a target on his back or belly?


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Post by lj on 19.06.15 16:04

@aquila wrote:
@lj wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:........

But he was foreign, and probably smelled of garlic and mumbled and walked with a limp . . .
So he is McGuilty

Ahh the smelly burgulator bloke, how I've missed him!


Didn't he have a target on his back or belly?


Yeah, that's what I remembered

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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.06.15 0:59

RE: my earlier 'post'

The 'Maddie Cops' (OG) Cyprus 'jolly' may be 'on' after all!

BHH's 'second-in-command' McCanns' 'spokesman' has 'spoken'!

The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell, said, "The question of whether child traffickers were involved in Madeleine’s abduction was always one line of investigation among many."
"If there is any suggestion of a connection between this incident and others in the wider European region than that is a matter for Operation Grange to investigate and to liaise with the Cypriot authorities."

So, SY's OG's 'elite' team, (the world's foremost child 'abduction' experts?) could be, preparing to fly out to Cyprus after the reports of a 'gang' attempting to 'snatch' children, from a hotel.?

jta: Mr Mitchell, i dont suppose you'd care to 'enlighten' us about any, of the many, you say, 'lines of investigation' being 'investigated' at Operation Grange?


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trying to think logically, but....

Post by worriedmum on 20.06.15 11:11

Well that really is puzzling me.  NOT a burglar, who , surprised by a three year-old, takes her away ,but a child trafficker ! Would they have cleaned up blood on the tiles then? Whose cadaver scent did the dog react to? Did they open the window as a red herring? Why would they do that?





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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.06.15 11:40

Did they open the window as a red herring? Why would they do that?
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To 'draw' ATTENTION to 'themselves', in case, any of the McS holiday 'friends' walked passed?

Oh, hang on, their 'friends' DID walk pass!

EIGHT 'times'!

JT '3'
R O'B '2'
MO '2'
and
GM's 'tennis buddy, JW ' '1'

The bungling burglator's cunning 'attention ruse' didn't work!

Because 'none of the above' SAW 'anything'!

NO 'raised/smashed' shutter, NO 'wide open' window, to McS kids 'room', NO 'NOTHING'!


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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.06.15 12:11

WHY, and HOW, was DCI Wall 'specifically' CHOSEN, to be the IO at OG?

Does she have a 'proven' track 'record' of solving, complex, child 'abductions' in the UK, let alone, in Portugal?

If a child 'goes missing/possibly abducted' in say, Cumbria, is DCI Wall, at MET Police, in London, the VERY 'first' person, the Cumbrian Police 'call', to 'investigate/solve' the child's 'disappearance'?

WHY, is DCI Wall the IO 'officer,' at OG?

In two 'days' time DCI Wall will have been the 'leading' IO at OG, having 'spent' over £1 MILLION of UK taxpayers money, on 'her' investigation.

WITH WHAT TANGIBLE 'RESULT'?

WHO is DCI Wall 'responsible/answerable' to?

WHO does DCI Wall 'update/report' to, about 'progress/or lack of' in OG's investigation?

TWO 'elite, experienced' MET police officers, (DCI's) with over FIFTY FIVE (55) YEARS 'experience' between them, and a full time 'team' of THIRTY SEVEN other police officers and staff, have been 'investigating' the disappearance of a 3 years old child, who disappeared over 8 years ago, for over FOUR (4) YEARS now.

WHAT have 'they' ACHIEVED'?

Rhetorical!

I KNOW!

(for some 'unknown' reason, other to themselves, TWO, very 'experienced', DCI's, have categorically 'ruled out' the very last 'persons', G&KM, with GM admitting to 'have been the very last 'person' to, have 'seen' the 'missing' child, alive, from the 'investigation')

WHY?

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Post by PeterMac on 20.06.15 12:28

Do Child Traffickers deal in dead children ?

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Post by willowthewisp on 20.06.15 12:28

Belgravia Police station should be renamed" Thunderbirds are go" Police officer(parker) wall get the car ready for Cyprus/Portugal, Yes Ma Lady and call international rescue (Mitchell) abductors are go?
What a load of balls of Wool!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.06.15 13:13

Lest we 'forget'

OG's £13 million 'investigation' IS 'based' SOLELY/ENTIRELY upon what ONLY two people, the two very LAST 'people' to have 'seen' the 'missing' child, have 'TOLD' them, without a scintilla of 'evidence', produced by them, that their child, 'was abducted'

OG's £13 million 'investigation' based solely/entirely upon ONLY two people's 'SAY SO' (+ lots of 'hearsay')

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Post by willowthewisp on 20.06.15 13:29

Hear say is not admissible in court, so Clarence is ok then to blurt out his BS and fanciful stories?

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Post by PeterMac on 20.06.15 23:04

@willowthewisp wrote:Hearsay is not admissible in court, so Clarence is ok then to blurt out his BS and fanciful stories?
Hearsay is not admissible, normally, as proof of the facts.
It is however admissible as proof of what was said to the person by the other person . . .  If you follow that.   Proof of the conversation, not of the facts contained therein

So when Kate says the curtains were wide open, contrary to how she left them . . .  this is direct evidence that the curtains were wide open.
(even if it is wrong, perjury, inaccurate, misinterpreted etc)
When Gerry says Kate told him the curtains were wide open, . . . this is not evidence of the state of the curtains, but IS evidence of what Kate told him.
(See statements by both, 4/5/7)

The fact that Kate subsequently says the curtains were tightly closed, so that they could "whoosh" in a gale force wind,
(which unaccountably was not recorded anywhere, by anyone, not even by the local Meteorological service . . .)
then proves
1  that Kate was LYING
2   that Kate told a LIE to her own husband, and caused him to repeat it

Or possibly that something else, more serious, was occurring, involving an agreement between them both to make a false statement right from the start . . .
Which is obviously ludicrous !

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Post by Doug D on 22.06.15 21:02

My post of 15th June:
 
'No disclosures on the Met’s Freedom of Information log for four weeks now. The weekly list usually gets posted up within 7/10 days.
 
http://www.met.police.uk/foi/disclosure/disclosure_log.htm
 
When it gets this far behind, you can’t help but wonder what the hold-up is and whether someone is being called on to make a decision to, errr, ‘accidently lose’ a line or two.
 
Just my cynical mind I expect'
 
Another week gone by and still no update.
 
Maybe I need to do a FoI request to see what they are up to!

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Post by sallypelt on 22.06.15 21:04

@Doug D wrote:My post of 15th June:
 
'No disclosures on the Met’s Freedom of Information log for four weeks now. The weekly list usually gets posted up within 7/10 days.
 
http://www.met.police.uk/foi/disclosure/disclosure_log.htm
 
When it gets this far behind, you can’t help but wonder what the hold-up is and whether someone is being called on to make a decision to, errr, ‘accidently lose’ a line or two.
 
Just my cynical mind I expect'
 
Another week gone by and still no update.
 
Maybe I need to do a FoI request to see what they are up to!

You had better hurry up if you are going to do a FoI request as I read last night that Cameron is going to make changes to the FoI Act

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Post by sallypelt on 22.06.15 21:06

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Post by willowthewisp on 23.06.15 10:22

hi Salty
Mr Gove is another one of the well educated elite who like to look after their own interests and similar minded alike clan, just look at how his love of free Academy schools calamity? 
Reminds me of a certain Mr Redwood MP singing the welsh national Anthem?
No wonder dear Dave made him the Chief Whip? We all are beginning to find out how the "Chief Whip works" look at how they behaved over the Child Abuse scandal!?
The Labour MP Tom Watson likes Mr Gove though? sarcastic

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Post by willowthewisp on 06.07.15 9:18

One thing that is abundantly clear in all the machinations of the Madeleine McCann case and the unscrupulous behaviour of UK Police officers and how they have conducted investigations of Murders/Killings, is Rupert M and his newspaper connections,MSM!?
Is it possible that Rupert Murdoch may be a Freemason?
The Shady dealings of Rupert go back over fifty years in the UK and when you Observe the ever close connections of Rebeka Brooks, Andy Coulson, David Cameron, Thersea May, Vince Cable BSkyb bid, GB, TB and Emma Freud marrying one of Rupert's son's, viola a right concoction for a cocktail?
That Hamish Campbell is one shady individual along with his cronies, there is no way that we will have a fit conclusion as a result of Operation Grange as the remit has been rigged,Abduction from the start!?
Truly disgusting how the so called Metropolitan Police force has wasted Millions of pounds of the Tax payers money on investigations that have collapsed, where they done so on purpose?
The Goddard inquiry will lead to what another dead end?
If you think this is negative outlook, could someone show me the positives of how many successful prosecutions have committed people to prison over Phone hacking and alleged back handers given to Police officers for information they provided to private investigators /reporters Yates of the Yard?

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 18.07.15 17:05

How does Murdoch being in the back pocket of the UK powers that be and team McCann fit in with today's Sun front page story about the Queen?

It just doesn't compute to me that they could be involved in a cover up with the "establishment" on the one hand yet at best embarrass the Queen of England on the other.

Why would the Sun do this and why wouldn't their bosom buddies stop such a "story" happening in the first place?

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Post by willowthewisp on 18.07.15 17:58

Thetruthwillout,
you state Rupert Murdoch's article in the S**m proves what, that he is Anti Establishment and not in their back pocket?
Mr Murdoch doesn't give a *oss of who's pocket he fills, as long as he and his papers are reeking out the dirt for his own personal gain, by printing the article it shows that he has connections of secret sources that is not even safe from exposure of HRH and family.Power to manipulate when he needs to, remember Prince Harry in his Nazi uniform!?
He has had former Metropolitan Police commanders in his employment working on surveillance procedures for years,Commander Adams had connections to phone hacking, why was the NoTw closed down for what Andy Coulson knew all along!
Ah, but sweet fragrant smelling Rebekah Brooks was not to be sacrificed, eh Rupert, I''l put the Home Secretary on the front page of the S**m until the McCann's have a review of their case by the UK police, note the McCann's have never contacted the Portugal PJ to reopen the case on their behalf?
Remit, Abduction set by who SIO Hamish Campbell and side kick DCI Andy Redwood,Crime Watch "JT saw creche dad taking his daughter home from the night creche"!?

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Post by willowthewisp on 21.07.15 12:42

I have just read an article from Natasha Don with regard to Mr Goncalo Amaral's appeal decision unlikely to be heard before October 2015, looks as though Dave will have to keep shovelling funds at Operation Grange remit- Abduction until then at the least?
Perhaps he could ask his dear friend Rupert for some funding as he has spent time on board his yacht to discuss certain BSkyB deals, the fragrant Rebekah and Charlie could help some way, like they have in the past, Leveson Inquiry?
Is Rupert sending messages to certain Quarters, "freedom of expression" HRH special wave and his ability to obtain evidence to dish the dirt on?
After all he did try to Blackmail a former Prime Minister, GB, eh Rupert, with his child's personal details, just shows how low and depraved Proprietors of business will stoop to doesn't it?
I wonder if we will see some special bracelets soon?
So sorry to disturb your retirement plans in Jamaica, Hamish, have you seen Andy anywhere, he's over there with Bill and Ben, don't know where the weed is though?
Top flight police work, Yeah Man, pass the duchie on the left hand side?

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