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Post by sallypelt on 14.05.15 12:54

After listening to this video on Youtube, I have to ask the question, why aren't the McCann's suing Stephen Birch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQcjm4un9gs

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Post by whatsupdoc on 14.05.15 13:22

It's over an hour long so I've only listened to it a couple of times for short periods. I'm d/l it now so I can check it fully later.

Could it be that when there is some truth involved, the McCanns don't sue as in the Telegraph article about Madeleine dying from an overdose?

I would dig up a path if it was such a serious matter so I  wonder why Murat doesn't want to. If he was proved to be involved with the McCanns he would have to pay back the money from his court case.

The equipment described, sub-terrain radar, is well-known and does work, unlike the Daniel Kruger box which I think is a hoax.

I don't want to debate the pros and cons about making money etc. but I just say it's so easy to do so just do it.

My view is that neither Jenny nor Robert Murat have given permission to have this 3 feet of a path dug up is just the same as the McCanns not answering the 48 questions.

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Post by plebgate on 14.05.15 13:31

Mrs. Murat has put the house up for sale and is reportedly moving back to England to live with her daughter.

If there was a body hidden on the property - would she really be putting the house up for sale?  I very much doubt that would be the case.

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Post by sallypelt on 14.05.15 13:50

Wasn't Jose Socrates the PM at the time of Murat's garden being searched? Is this the same person who is now in jail for property fraud?

Has anyone actually seen the letter sent to S Birch?

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Post by whatsupdoc on 14.05.15 13:51

Yes, I did know about the possible sale of the property.

I am interested to see how much it will go on the market for.

It could be a win-win situation for Birch if he bought it...esp if he did another survey of the path before he bought it.

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Post by Verdi on 14.05.15 19:15

@sallypelt wrote:After listening to this video on Youtube, I have to ask the question, why aren't the McCann's suing Stephen Birch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQcjm4un9gs
Much more to the point sallypelt, why isn't Robert Murat suing Stephen Birch !?!

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Post by NickE on 14.05.15 22:23

@Verdi wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:After listening to this video on Youtube, I have to ask the question, why aren't the McCann's suing Stephen Birch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQcjm4un9gs
Much more to the point sallypelt, why isn't Robert Murat suing Stephen Birch !?!
I think he did.

Legal proceedings Robert Murat versus Stephen D. Birch


PUBLIC MINISTRY SERVICES IN LAGOS
SUPPORT UNIT
Av. dos Descobrimentos – 8601-852 Lagos
Telef: 282092170 Fax: 282092198 Mail: mp.lagos.tc@tribunais.org.pt
Exmo Senhor
Stephen Birch
8 Tierberg Rd, Oostersee, Parow, 7500
P O Box 21317
África do Sul
Case: 5/13/1TALGS Dispute Our Ref: 3155854
Date: 21-03-2014


Subject: Notification by Registered Letter with Acknowledgement of Receipt


Hereby notified as Accused, as provided in and for the purposes:
That, in accordance with Articles 57º and 58º, no.2, 3 and 4 of the Penal
Code, assumes the quality of Accused, the accusation being leveled is
according to the rights and duties as expounded in Article 61º and subject to
the referred rule.
That the above mentioned Dispute, extracted in accordance with the terms
contained in Article 283º of the Penal Code, is granted a limit of TWENTY
DAYS, as explained in Article 287º of the same rule, and opens a formal
PROGRAMME OF PROCEEDINGS:
The request must be addressed to the Examining Judge, not subject to
formalities, containing a summary of reasons, of fact and law, of disagreement
regarding the dispute, as well as, in every such event, produce compelling
evidence, not hitherto considered in the Dispute, and of the facts, based on
the evidence submitted, that are expected to be proved.
There being no legal nor defence representative on record, but given that one
is compulsory under Article 64º, No.3 of the Penal Code, Dr Mónica Viegas, at
Rua Infante de Sagres, 11-2º, 8600, Lagos, has been appointed as the
Accused’s Defence.
Furthermore, the Accused is informed, that should the Accused be found
guilty, the Accused, shall be held liable for the Public Defender’s legal fees,
unless, in the interim, the Accused be granted legal support, at which time,
the appointed Public Defender may be substituted by another legal counsel,
as per that stipulated in – Article 64º, No.4, of the referred rule.
The application for legal representation, will not impede the conduct of
proceedings (Article 39º, No. 10 of Act 34/2004 of 29 July) and must be
tendered at any Social Security Customer Service Office.
(Article 22, No.1 of the same Act).
Attached photocopy of Charge Sheet.
We request that the response bear the document reference and Case number.
*Legal holidays span 22 December to 3 January; Palm Sunday to Easter
Monday and 16 July to 31 August.
The abovementioned periods are uninterrupted, suspended by the Legal
Holidays and recommence as from the third business day after postal register
(Article 113, No.2, Penal Code).*
In the case of an urgent process, the periods referred to above, shall not apply.
Should the period expire while court is closed, the period will be transferred to
the very next first business day.
Signed by the Assistant Officer of the Court, Vera Gabriel.
PUBLIC SERVICE MINISTRY IN LAGOS
SUPPORT UNIT
Av. dos Descobrimentos – 8601-852 Lagos
Telef: 282092170 Fax: 282092198 Mail: mp.lagos.tc@triubnais.org.pt
Case No: 5-13.1TALGS
3139733
CONCLUSION: -11-03-2014 (Sheets. 108).-
(Electronic document drawn by Assistant Officer of the Court, Vera Gabriel)
=CLS=
Sheets.108 and ss: Contents acknowledged
*
Hereby declare the investigation closed.
*
***
As provided from analysis of case files, all efforts made in the course of the present dispute to access to Stephen Donald Birch to notify same of the quality of Accused and of a subsequent investigation, proved fruitless.
Therefore, and there being no foreseeable beneficial endeavours, under that contained in Article 272º, No.1, of the Penal Code, the interrogation of the Accused is ultimately dispensed with.


According to that defined in Article 57º, No.1 of the Penal Code, the denounced thus accepts the charge order and assumes the quality of Accused. Be notified.
***
Under provisions of Article 64º, No.3 of the Penal Code, editorial brought about by Act No.48/2007, of 29 August, Public Defender, Dr Mónica Viegas, is appointed to Stephen Birch, as indicated by CDOA, and as per sheets 109.
The Accused and the Defence appointed are notified according to Article 66º, No.1 of the Penal Code.


***
The Public Ministry accuses, in common procedure, with the intervention of First Instance Court:
Stephen Donald Birch, born in South Africa, born on
20 April 1965, holder of Passport Number, A00571114 and
residing at 8 Tierberg Road, Oostersee, Parow, PO Box 21317,
South Africa.


1.On an unestablished date, but during the month of June and prior to 5 July
2012, the Accused, transgressed the residential gates of Jenifer Ann Murat,
Casa Liliana, Rua do Ramalhete, Vila Luz, Lagos, within this Council, entering
the property.


2.The land in question is self-contained, bordered by a 1.50m high boundary
wall, 2m high hedges and also by a wire fence, inaccessible to any outsider.


3.The Accused penetrated this area of land without prior consent and against
the will of the owner of the residence, the now ‘injured party’.


4.The Accused acted voluntarily and deliberately


5.knowing full well that this conduct was and is punishable by law.
In the light of the above, the Accused,Stephen Donald Birch, acted as sole and actualperpetrator, constituting a crime of trespassing on private property, governed by and punishable under Article 191º
of the Penal Code.

*
Indication by means of proof:
A. According to Witnesses
a) Jenifer Na Murat, id. sheet. 108;
b) Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat, id. sheet. 31.
B. According to Documents
a) Photographs, sheets. 7 to 11;
b) Newspaper Clippings, sheets. 12 to 14.
*
In accordance with Article 277º, No.3 ex vi of Article 283º, No.5, both under the Penal Code, as reflected and in accordance with Article 287º, No.1, paragraph a) of the same law, wording in force under DL No. 320-C/00, of 15
December, notifying the Accused as well as the Public Defender (a) appointed
(a), Complainant and their Legal Representative of the preceding charge.
*
Procedural Position of the Accused:
Not occurring in casu of the situations to which Article 204º of the Penal Code,
it is declared that the Accused, when located, be subjected to verifying identity and residence and await proceedings post case, subject to enforced measures of constraint.


***
Processed and Reviewed.
Lagos, 18 March 2014
Assistant Prosecutor
Maria Pinto de Almeida

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Re: Why Aren't The McCann's Suing Stephen Birch?

Post by plebgate on 15.05.15 11:18

@whatsupdoc wrote:Yes, I did know about the possible sale of the property.

I am interested to see how much it will go on the market for.

It could be a win-win situation for Birch if he bought it...esp if he did another survey of the path before he bought it.
If he ever considered buying it, I do hope he doesn't ask the gen. public to chip in a pound each to "prove" his theory. big grin

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Post by Richard IV on 15.05.15 11:34

@NickE wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:After listening to this video on Youtube, I have to ask the question, why aren't the McCann's suing Stephen Birch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQcjm4un9gs
Much more to the point sallypelt, why isn't Robert Murat suing Stephen Birch !?!
I think he did.

Legal proceedings Robert Murat versus Stephen D. Birch


PUBLIC MINISTRY SERVICES IN LAGOS
SUPPORT UNIT
Av. dos Descobrimentos – 8601-852 Lagos
Telef: 282092170 Fax: 282092198 Mail: mp.lagos.tc@tribunais.org.pt
Exmo Senhor
Stephen Birch
8 Tierberg Rd, Oostersee, Parow, 7500
P O Box 21317
África do Sul
Case: 5/13/1TALGS Dispute Our Ref: 3155854
Date: 21-03-2014


Subject: Notification by Registered Letter with Acknowledgement of Receipt


Hereby notified as Accused, as provided in and for the purposes:
That, in accordance with Articles 57º and 58º, no.2, 3 and 4 of the Penal
Code, assumes the quality of Accused, the accusation being leveled is
according to the rights and duties as expounded in Article 61º and subject to
the referred rule.
That the above mentioned Dispute, extracted in accordance with the terms
contained in Article 283º of the Penal Code, is granted a limit of TWENTY
DAYS, as explained in Article 287º of the same rule, and opens a formal
PROGRAMME OF PROCEEDINGS:
The request must be addressed to the Examining Judge, not subject to
formalities, containing a summary of reasons, of fact and law, of disagreement
regarding the dispute, as well as, in every such event, produce compelling
evidence, not hitherto considered in the Dispute, and of the facts, based on
the evidence submitted, that are expected to be proved.
There being no legal nor defence representative on record, but given that one
is compulsory under Article 64º, No.3 of the Penal Code, Dr Mónica Viegas, at
Rua Infante de Sagres, 11-2º, 8600, Lagos, has been appointed as the
Accused’s Defence.
Furthermore, the Accused is informed, that should the Accused be found
guilty, the Accused, shall be held liable for the Public Defender’s legal fees,
unless, in the interim, the Accused be granted legal support, at which time,
the appointed Public Defender may be substituted by another legal counsel,
as per that stipulated in – Article 64º, No.4, of the referred rule.
The application for legal representation, will not impede the conduct of
proceedings (Article 39º, No. 10 of Act 34/2004 of 29 July) and must be
tendered at any Social Security Customer Service Office.
(Article 22, No.1 of the same Act).
Attached photocopy of Charge Sheet.
We request that the response bear the document reference and Case number.
*Legal holidays span 22 December to 3 January; Palm Sunday to Easter
Monday and 16 July to 31 August.
The abovementioned periods are uninterrupted, suspended by the Legal
Holidays and recommence as from the third business day after postal register
(Article 113, No.2, Penal Code).*
In the case of an urgent process, the periods referred to above, shall not apply.
Should the period expire while court is closed, the period will be transferred to
the very next first business day.
Signed by the Assistant Officer of the Court, Vera Gabriel.
PUBLIC SERVICE MINISTRY IN LAGOS
SUPPORT UNIT
Av. dos Descobrimentos – 8601-852 Lagos
Telef: 282092170 Fax: 282092198 Mail: mp.lagos.tc@triubnais.org.pt
Case No: 5-13.1TALGS
3139733
CONCLUSION: -11-03-2014 (Sheets. 108).-
(Electronic document drawn by Assistant Officer of the Court, Vera Gabriel)
=CLS=
Sheets.108 and ss: Contents acknowledged
*
Hereby declare the investigation closed.
*
***
As provided from analysis of case files, all efforts made in the course of the present dispute to access to Stephen Donald Birch to notify same of the quality of Accused and of a subsequent investigation, proved fruitless.
Therefore, and there being no foreseeable beneficial endeavours, under that contained in Article 272º, No.1, of the Penal Code, the interrogation of the Accused is ultimately dispensed with.


According to that defined in Article 57º, No.1 of the Penal Code, the denounced thus accepts the charge order and assumes the quality of Accused. Be notified.
***
Under provisions of Article 64º, No.3 of the Penal Code, editorial brought about by Act No.48/2007, of 29 August, Public Defender, Dr Mónica Viegas, is appointed to Stephen Birch, as indicated by CDOA, and as per sheets 109.
The Accused and the Defence appointed are notified according to Article 66º, No.1 of the Penal Code.


***
The Public Ministry accuses, in common procedure, with the intervention of First Instance Court:
Stephen Donald Birch, born in South Africa, born on
20 April 1965, holder of Passport Number, A00571114 and
residing at 8 Tierberg Road, Oostersee, Parow, PO Box 21317,
South Africa.


1.On an unestablished date, but during the month of June and prior to 5 July
2012, the Accused, transgressed the residential gates of Jenifer Ann Murat,
Casa Liliana, Rua do Ramalhete, Vila Luz, Lagos, within this Council, entering
the property.


2.The land in question is self-contained, bordered by a 1.50m high boundary
wall, 2m high hedges and also by a wire fence, inaccessible to any outsider.


3.The Accused penetrated this area of land without prior consent and against
the will of the owner of the residence, the now ‘injured party’.


4.The Accused acted voluntarily and deliberately


5.knowing full well that this conduct was and is punishable by law.
In the light of the above, the Accused,Stephen Donald Birch, acted as sole and actualperpetrator, constituting a crime of trespassing on private property, governed by and punishable under Article 191º
of the Penal Code.

*
Indication by means of proof:
A. According to Witnesses
a) Jenifer Na Murat, id. sheet. 108;
b) Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat, id. sheet. 31.
B. According to Documents
a) Photographs, sheets. 7 to 11;
b) Newspaper Clippings, sheets. 12 to 14.
*
In accordance with Article 277º, No.3 ex vi of Article 283º, No.5, both under the Penal Code, as reflected and in accordance with Article 287º, No.1, paragraph a) of the same law, wording in force under DL No. 320-C/00, of 15
December, notifying the Accused as well as the Public Defender (a) appointed
(a), Complainant and their Legal Representative of the preceding charge.
*
Procedural Position of the Accused:
Not occurring in casu of the situations to which Article 204º of the Penal Code,
it is declared that the Accused, when located, be subjected to verifying identity and residence and await proceedings post case, subject to enforced measures of constraint.


***
Processed and Reviewed.
Lagos, 18 March 2014
Assistant Prosecutor
Maria Pinto de Almeida
Don`t get this.
Seems it`s just a Charges Sheet, and states that they could not locate Stephen Birch, which seems daft because his solicitor is named.  Doesn`t seem as if it`s progressed any further.

As for selling the property, there doesn`t have to be a problem about `a body in the garden`.  They can just say it`s where they buried a dog.  It`s probably what it is anyway.

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Re: Why Aren't The McCann's Suing Stephen Birch?

Post by plebgate on 15.05.15 11:38

if new owners ever found bones on the property the police would be able to tell whether they were human or animal.

That's why the property is up for sale.  Who in their right mind would ever sell a property if they knew human remains were buried on the land?

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Post by Verdi on 15.05.15 12:09

NickE yesterday @ 10:23 pm

That was for trespassing wasn't it?  I was thinking more on the lines of suing for claiming that Madeleine McCann's body was buried beneath Murat's drive, admittedly I was being facetious.  After all, the McCanns have taken Dr Amaral to the cleaners for theorizing in accordance with the investigation, a mere bagatelle by comparison. 

Did anything ever come of it, looks as though Birch was playing hide and seek?

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Post by Mark Willis on 16.05.15 8:28

Why are the Mcs not suing Birch?
Because with nutters like that deflecting from where Maddie actually is this suits them down to the ground (literally).

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Post by NickE on 16.05.15 12:38

Stephen D.Birch ‏@BirchStephen 6 min
I BURIED MADDIE IN THE MURAT PROPERTY ! #McCann



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[*]Daft ‏@DaftNelly 
[*]@BirchStephen Have the #McCann s attempted to sue you ?

Stephen D.Birch‏@BirchStephen

@DaftNelly They won,t dare ! #McCann

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Post by aquila on 17.05.15 12:27

@Verdi wrote:NickE yesterday @ 10:23 pm

That was for trespassing wasn't it?  I was thinking more on the lines of suing for claiming that Madeleine McCann's body was buried beneath Murat's drive, admittedly I was being facetious.  After all, the McCanns have taken Dr Amaral to the cleaners for theorizing in accordance with the investigation, a mere bagatelle by comparison. 

Did anything ever come of it, looks as though Birch was playing hide and seek?
PeterMac and Pat Brown went to Apartment 5A and lifted the shutters. That's also trespass isn't it? unless they had the owner's permission and yet they've not received any writ for that activity to my knowledge.

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Post by j.rob on 29.10.15 13:58

Kate responded to a question about Stephen Birch's theory in quite a negative manner in at least one media interview that I recall. This suggests he could be something of a thorn in the side. 

While his theory seems a bit nuts - why would anyone hide a body so close to the scene of the crime apart from anything else? - in actual fact if you think about other crimes where bodies are hidden this very often does seem to happen. The body is even in the perpetrator/s house/garden/car. Or not that far away from the crime scene.

So I tend to suspect that while the McCanns and their friends were urging the world's public to look all over the world for Madeleine, that she may very well have been much closer to the place where she went missing.

So while I really don't know about this theory, I do think there is much of interest in there. Especially the excerpt below which pulls together some possible links between Robert Murat, the McCanns and Tapas, Mike Sperrey and Stephen Carpenter. And of course we know that Jez Wilkin's first police statement talks about a suspiciously acting 'rasta-man' who is later identified as a fellow guest at Ocean Club who happens to be a friend of Gerry McCanns. 

Of note, Mike Sperrey and Stephan Carpenter's witness statements were not made public. These two I do believe must be people of great interest, imo.

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Some very interesting responses too, imo.

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In June 2012 I flew into Lisbon, Portugal with a surveillance team and conducted surveillance of the property known as Casa Liliana, owned by Jenny Murat. Jenny Murat is the mother of Robert Murat a previous suspect in the matter.
From my initial investigation that lasted fourteen months, I determined that the case was a simple localized crime and not an international case.
The members of the Tapas 9 had never been to Praia da Luz before, and had no mode of transport.
 All my investigations led me to believe that the motivation for the holidaymakers choosing Praia da Luz as a destination, originated from a relationship that existed between *Name removed*and Robert Murat, who resided in Praia da Luz.
Daily activities by the members of the Tapas 9 group exploring the area were usually done on foot. The McCann’s confirm this fact, having left the twins pram back in England. The fact that they had, resulted in movement on foot being curtailed even further by having to carry their small children – with great difficulty – over long distances to places such as  the Millennium restaurant.
I first suspected that Madeleine could be buried in the Murat property when I studied the witness statement of Jane Tanner- a member of the Tapas 9. Tanner had initially described the abductor as an unshaven “Rasta”man, with scraggly looking surfer type hair.
However, several days later Tanner identified the man as being Robert Murat, a totally different  looking, clean shaven man in stark contrast to the original description she had described to the police as being the possible abductor. This puzzled me.
On the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, Michael James Sperrey – later identified as the “Rasta man” described by Tanner – was walking towards the Tapas restaurant in the window period that I personally believe Madeleine was discovered dead – namely between 8.40pm.and 8.55pm.
However, no mention is made of whether Mr Sperrey and his wife Claire actually had dinner in the restaurant that night, despite having a 9 PM reservation.
Moreover, Mr Sperrey – for reasons unknown – spent a considerable amount of time cleaning himself up in the Tapas bar’s outside toilet, prior to his dinner reservation.
Given that his flat is less than 100meters from the Tapas restaurant, the need to spend a considerable amount of time in the toilet after walking from the apartment is, I believe, very suspicious. 
From Stephen Carpenters first witness statement and for various other reasons, it became evident to me that Mr Sperrey is in fact a surfing friend of Mr Gerald McCann.
Michael Sperry owns an advertising company in Solihull, 56km from the McCann’s home in Rotheley, Leic.
Michael’s personality, and general interests, together with his interests in sports and the fact that to a large extent, he is driven by adrenalin type activities, leads me to believe that he and Gerry McCann are good friends.
At the time of Madeleine’s disappearance, Michael Sperrey was staying in a holiday apartment in the Ocean Club called Fugi Palms. The Sperry’s stayed in unit number FP05, a unit on the first floor that looks straight into the back of Mr Murat’s property.
Michael Sperrey’s witness statement and Stephen Carpenters second witness statements have never been released to the public. Both men stayed in the Fugi Palms block looking into the back of the Murat property. Stephen stayed in FP02 on the ground floor. 
It is my belief that when Jane Tanner gave her first statement to the Portuguese Police describing a version of Michael James Sperrey, she did so because his face was fresh in her mind, and she had no idea what Robert Murat looked like at the time.
I believe that It was only several hours later, that she was briefed by *Name removed*, as to what Robert looked like.
Tanner then proceeded to identify Robert Murat as the abductor while sitting in a police car. And again, I found myself asking why?
Why accuse a total stranger of a horrendous crime?
Surely, the implications would be devastating if she was wrong.
Unless of course, it had always been the intention of the group to direct the Portuguese Police in the direction of the Murat property where they would find the buried child.
More significantly still, Jane Tanners second statement specifically refers to *Name removed*having hurt their wrist while sailing, yet the person in question makes no mention whatsoever of a sore wrist in their own witness statements.
Therefore, one of the first things that I did when I got to Praia da Luz was to go sailing on my own. I sailed a catamaran more than 2km out to sea, and over the horizon. I am sure that the life-guard on the beach thought I had stolen his catamaran, and was on my way back to South Africa.
However, three hours later I returned without the slightest injury to my wrist. The sailing trip was important to me, as it highlighted that the possibility of one injuring your wrist while sailing off the mild waters of the Algarve was minimal.
Back home in South Africa we had simulated a grave digging exercise in similar type soil conditions as that found in Praia da Luz.
Soil samples had been sent to us from Praia da Luz, and we established that the soil make-up was a hard layered shale.
We then  filmed an individual digging a hole within a 15 minute window period. A life size plastic doll representing Madeleine, and measuring 90cm in height, was later buried in the pre-dug hole. The entire exercise was filmed and later viewed over and over to extract and learn key elements from the exercise.
The exercise proved helpful, in that we were able to establish four important things, namely:
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[*] It was possible to dig a grave within a 15 minute window period.

[*] The grave would be shallow, and would be no deeper than between 450mm to 650mm, depending on the amount of soft top soil present.

[*] The disposing of Madeleine’s corpse had to have occurred in two phases, namely first the digging of the hole between 9pm to 9.15pm and later the burial of the child between 10.05 and 10.15pm.

[*]   [b][i]That slamming a spade into hard ground took its toll on a wrist, unfamiliar with hard manual labour.[/i][/b]

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The burying of the plastic doll, together with backfilling and compacting the loose sand took 6 minutes.
Another 2 minutes could be allowed for putting loose stones and building rubble on top of the fresh grave.
However, let’s for one minute talk about the ground conditions in the Murat yard. An initial photo dated the 15th of May 2007 and taken of the Murat rear yard by a reporter, proved extremely helpful in that it showed the Murat yard and the direction in which the Portuguese Police were working away from the grave.
It also showed a pile of building rubble lying on top of the grave site. Also of significance in the photo is a banana tree growing in the backyard. For the tree to flourish, a significant amount of loose topsoil would need to be present. We took this into account when establishing our initial estimates that Madeleine was buried 600mm below ground level.
The hypothesis that Madeleine was buried in the Murat backyard in two operations involving*Name removed* and *Name removed* digging the hole and later *Name removed*burying Madeleine in the pre-dug hole, is substantiated by triangulating the 5A Ocean club with the location of the Smith sighting, and *Name removed* being seen outside Raj Balu & Neil Berry’s flat, less than 10 meters from the rear boundary fence of the Murat yard.
The sightings all comfortably take place between 9.55pm and 10.20pm and substantiate our hypothesis that the hole was pre-dug and the burial took place later.
British detective Gary Redmond confirmed to me in a telephone discussion that the British Police had never entered the Murat property.
To set the tone for the next chapter, there is little doubt in my mind that the Portuguese Police found Madeleine’s remains in the property.
However, I believe that the decision to fully exhume and excavate her body was delayed.
At the time of the discovery the Portuguese Police were faced with the problem that if they did elect to exhume the body, there was little or no doubt that Robert Murat – a police translator and friend to some of the policemen on the case – would have been held accountable for a crime he did not commit.

http://chrisspivey.org/digging-for-madeleine/

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Post by skyrocket on 29.10.15 15:36

Martin Grime and Eddie were used inside and out at Casa Liliana (Murat's mother's house). If we trust Eddie's responses in 5A we have to trust them there also. Cadaver dogs can detect remains at much deeper than 3/4 foot depth.

From the PJ files:

Letter regarding technical inspection of Murat villa 4-5 August 2007
Canine Inspection Report
Date 4 and 5 August 2007
Place Residence of arguido Robert Murat ... Praia da Luz - Lagos
Participants: three PJ officers; two UK police experts; Eddy, the English Springer [Spaniel]
THE ENTIRE WORK WAS RECORDED IN IMAGE AND SOUND [on video]
Today, within the scope [authority] of the domestic search performed in the current residence of
the arguido Robert Murat, canine inspections were also conducted, in the exterior gardens and
inside the residence of the arguido, at the above address.
Thus, at 19h28 of 4 August 2007, the work started in the residence gardens, with the dog EDDY, that
detects cadaver odour, examining the entire exterior grounds within the perimeter of the property, it
having been verified that the dog signalled [alerted to] nothing.
On 5 August 2007, at 15h22, the same dog examined every room in the residence, it having been
verified that nothing was signalled [alerted to].
... the present document has been duly signed:

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Post by sonic72 on 29.10.15 16:50

Birch is an asset to the Mccanns.

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Post by BlueBag on 29.10.15 16:52

@sonic72 wrote:Birch is an asset to the Mccanns.
Yep.. "Look, nutters, they're all nutters".

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Post by aquila on 30.10.15 8:28

@BlueBag wrote:
@sonic72 wrote:Birch is an asset to the Mccanns.
Yep.. "Look, nutters, they're all nutters".
Sonia Poulton gives him a big slot to spout his tripe on TPV along with loony Shrimpton and Rosalinde Hutton who then goes on to say stuff about being a troll in the Sun....yep, everyone is tarred with the 'nutter' brush.

I find Birch the most interesting of all in some ways. He came onto this forum and was entertained by former mods (who now have their own forum) despite members of this forum immediately recognising him as a 'nutcase'. He was allowed to spout his incredible drivel and those who challenged him were reprimanded. In fact, it was those members who recognised his drivel who had their cards marked.

Just an observation.

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Post by BlueBag on 30.10.15 9:05

@aquila wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@sonic72 wrote:Birch is an asset to the Mccanns.
Yep.. "Look, nutters, they're all nutters".
Sonia Poulton gives him a big slot to spout his tripe on TPV along with loony Shrimpton and Rosalinde Hutton who then goes on to say stuff about being a troll in the Sun....yep, everyone is tarred with the 'nutter' brush.

I find Birch the most interesting of all in some ways. He came onto this forum and was entertained by former mods (who now have their own forum) despite members of this forum immediately recognising him as a 'nutcase'. He was allowed to spout his incredible drivel and those who challenged him were reprimanded. In fact, it was those members who recognised his drivel who had their cards marked.

Just an observation.
That's the name of the game on the internet.

Smear by association.

I think people are employed to do it.

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Post by Gaggzy on 30.10.15 9:38

@skyrocket wrote:Martin Grime and Eddie were used inside and out at Casa Liliana (Murat's mother's house). If we trust Eddie's responses in 5A we have to trust them there also. Cadaver dogs can detect remains at much deeper than 3/4 foot depth.

From the PJ files:

Letter regarding technical inspection of Murat villa 4-5 August 2007
Canine Inspection Report
Date 4 and 5 August 2007
Place Residence of arguido Robert Murat ... Praia da Luz - Lagos
Participants: three PJ officers; two UK police experts; Eddy, the English Springer [Spaniel]
THE ENTIRE WORK WAS RECORDED IN IMAGE AND SOUND [on video]
Today, within the scope [authority] of the domestic search performed in the current residence of
the arguido Robert Murat, canine inspections were also conducted, in the exterior gardens and
inside the residence of the arguido, at the above address.
Thus, at 19h28 of 4 August 2007, the work started in the residence gardens, with the dog EDDY, that
detects cadaver odour, examining the entire exterior grounds within the perimeter of the property, it
having been verified that the dog signalled [alerted to] nothing.
On 5 August 2007, at 15h22, the same dog examined every room in the residence, it having been
verified that nothing was signalled [alerted to].
... the present document has been duly signed:

^^^^
THIS ..... all day long.

Birch makes a compelling theory. But on August 4th 2007, EDDY blew the theory right out the water.   lol4

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Post by joyce1938 on 30.10.15 10:33

What if the move was done to said garden after all the searching?  What better place to feel safe and place her after such good searches done?  I still say DIG THE BLINKING GARDEN UP,WHY NOT?  JOYCE1938

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Post by jeanmonroe on 31.10.15 12:49

Why Aren't The McCann's Suing Stephen Birch?
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Probably for the same 'reason' they did not, are not, SUING, convicted fraudster, Kevin 'cosy kitchen 'chats' with Kate McCann, at Rothley' Halligen.?

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Post by Verdi on 31.10.15 15:30

Why aren't the McCanns suing Stephen Birch?


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