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Post by Joss on Mon May 18, 2015 3:33 pm

@Knitted wrote:
@aquila wrote:Snipped:
There is good reason for people who normally post in their own name to donate anonymously and of course it's everyone's choice to do so
Personally I just don't get the "anti" or the "pro" labels that are bandied around. I read the Twitter feed that shows on this portal with much fascination, and not a little 'incredulous disgust'. As I don't 'get' Twitter it means that 9 times out of 10 I have no clue one which "side" A.N.Other is on, as it all seems that what's most important is who can sling the most obscure cryptic abuse at the opposition. To those of us that don't 'do' Twitter it seems like a cesspit of puerile angst!

Can't people just let the facts speaks for themselves?... If people focused on evidence then it really doesn't matter what 'side' people may, or may not, be. "res ipsa loquitur"

What matters is that even with no evidence one way or the other there's a c.90% chance that Madeleine was killed by a parent or a close  adult male acquaintance. Add to the mix the evidence of Eddie & Keela. Then add to the mix the the actions and statements of the T9. Then add to the mix the altered exif data of the Last Photo, (Then add to the mix the blatant shills on here with their 'Ghost Dogs' and fascination with 'fashions'...anyone would think they were prompted by pig-ignorant failed politicians the way they soooo misjudge free-thinkers!). Then add to the mix (if this was a genuine abduction) the utterly unwarranted and expedient intervention of HMG... and it's clear (at least to me) that Madeleine died that week, and the name of her killer and of all those that covered up her death are already VERY well known on this forum.

Me? I donated a paltry amount Sad.   All that I thought I could Sad  I felt guilty at what little I'd given and thus I donated anonymously. Why?  Well, I run an online business and have done for 4yrs.  I am perhaps 2 or 3 weeks away from bankruptcy (naively I thought I could 'beat the system' and run a genuinely people-focused business that put service ahead of money... but the 'system' seems to have beaten me).  Running an online business I am at the mercy of any old nutter (and there are many!) that has a hissy-fit, let alone anyone that wants to cause trouble by giving any of my e-shops a negative rating.  My only 'satisfaction' over the last 4yrs has so far been 100% feedback from all of my customers, but I live in daily dread of getting a negative (having complained in my own name to the IPCC and the Met).

Once I am officially bankrupt (seemingly very soon Sad ), and have nothing to lose, I'll be happy to use my real name. I may then even change my name on here. (though as you know, I was once Sonmi-451...and since I have been regularly condemned by you for ever having the audacity to change my name I know damn-well what I'll be letting myself in for!!!).

So, in summary:  I think people such as Tony B, Jill, PMac, and numerous others, have given an awful lot of themselves already. If they give 50p or £100 is irrelevant. If Rosalind donates nothing at all "so what"? What's more relevant is looking at the number of online 'Shares'...the ratio of 'likes'... and the number of people that "think something is iffy" with Madeleine's (almost certain) death...and comparing it to the value of the donations given (n.b. I trust the donations will go to GA's account in full).

Working it out that way the amount donated is sadly low (more people had 'shared' than had given £1 last time I looked). Maybe that's what counts these days? A banal 'click' is worth more than making a few more clicks to actually donate? Do the politics matter? All that surely matters is donations regardless of who does it?
Knitted, no need to feel bad, that you donated at all is what really matters. I have said previously if a million people donate $1 then that will amount to a million dollars.
Sorry you are going through such tough times, sad  If you do social media you could set up your own GoFundMe, lots of peeps do it to get them through hard times.  On another blog i used to post on, a lady there needed $1,000 to get her cat surgery, and she raised $1,500, so i thought that was cool. Anyway just a suggestion. empathy

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Re: Brits already forking out en-masse for Maddie cop libel appeal

Post by Joss on Mon May 18, 2015 3:37 pm

@espeland wrote:
£100
Tony Bennett
26 mins ago
I have today been advised that all funds raised via this site will go direct to the PJGA fund for Dr Amaral's legal expenses and am pleased to make a modest contribution for these reasons: 1. It is intolerable that anyone accused of libel should have to wait nearly 6 years from the date of service of a writ (June 2009 in this case) for a verdict 2. The verdict by the Lisbon court last month was perverse. Both the Portuguese Appeal Court (October 2010) and the Portuguese Supreme Court (March 2011) held that Dr Amaral's book was a legitimate use of his right to freedom of expression, under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, and as a result they allowed his book to be sold, overturning an earlier ban. The Lisbon court should have followed their decisions 3. Dr Amaral has good prospects for success in his appeal, given the previous Appeal & Supreme Court decisions 4. 99% of his book is based on information in the files of the Portuguese Police which in any event has already been in the public domain since July 2008, and all of which can conveniently be accessed via the mccannpjfiles website 5. The McCanns have been able to afford the best lawyers that money can buy to pursue various defensive and offensive legal actions. By contrast, Dr Amaral has had substantial proportions of his captal and income impounded by the state. I hope that the money raised by this appeal will enable him to afford a good quality and influential lawyer

A very generous donation, given that a huge chunk of Tony's pension has been claimed by Sue, Grabbit and Runne.
Very clever, well said laughat

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Post by espeland on Mon May 18, 2015 4:49 pm

Very clever, well said


Unfortunately I can't claim the credit for it, it is used by Private Eye.

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Post by Joss on Mon May 18, 2015 4:59 pm

@espeland wrote:
Very clever, well said


Unfortunately I can't claim the credit for it, it is used by Private Eye.
Oh well, you can take credit for posting it then, smilie

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Post by aquila on Mon May 18, 2015 8:58 pm

It's been said that this is a Brit enterprise by Leanne Baulch.

I'd like to say that it's not just Brits contributing. People from all over the world are donating.

However, just to speak up for the Brits, there is a spirit within the average Brit that loathes unfairness, detests bullying and supports the under-dog. It doesn't really matter to the average Brit if the underdog has screwed up a bit. What matters to the average Brit is fairness without the nonsensical political correctness that is propounded by the government and their masters the media.

There is snobbery about being an intellectual in order to have the right to an opinion that holds any weight. Leanne Baulch just smashed that myth. The average person in UK has a good heart. That's a great average.

If you take the love of Brits to support the under-dog you only need visit Australia to see the living legacy of truly decent people whose society is always based in fairness.

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Post by aquila on Tue May 19, 2015 10:17 am

Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

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Post by katie_mc on Tue May 19, 2015 10:38 am

@aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

Aquila can I ask you to please stop using this thread to bash people on whether they have donated. 

If you have a personal gripe with her cant you take it up on her blog where she is more likely to respond. 

Let's keep this fund positive and encouraging.

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Post by aquila on Tue May 19, 2015 10:42 am

@katie_mc wrote:
@aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

Aquila can I ask you to please stop using this thread to bash people on whether they have donated. 

If you have a personal gripe with her cant you take it up on her blog where she is more likely to respond. 

Let's keep this fund positive and encouraging.
Sometimes I'm out of order and I apologise but in this instance I believe I'm not.

Cristobell's blog only prints things that Rosalinda Hutton chooses to publish on her blog.

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Post by katie_mc on Tue May 19, 2015 10:49 am

@aquila wrote:
@katie_mc wrote:
@aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

Aquila can I ask you to please stop using this thread to bash people on whether they have donated. 

If you have a personal gripe with her cant you take it up on her blog where she is more likely to respond. 

Let's keep this fund positive and encouraging.
Sometimes I'm out of order and I apologise but in this instance I believe I'm not.

Cristobell's blog only prints things that Rosalinda Hutton chooses to publish on her blog.


It's coming across to me like a personal crusade because you don't like someone. Who gives a toss if she's donated or not.

Let's just celebrate that over a thousand people have!

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Post by aquila on Tue May 19, 2015 11:00 am

@katie_mc wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@katie_mc wrote:
@aquila wrote:Come on Rosalinda Hutton, where is your donation in your own name to Goncalo Amaral's fund?

It doesn't matter if it's a penny or a pound. To have donated nothing in your own name is odd given you have lambasted people for not posting in their own names.

People on this forum have donated in their own names.

Where's your donation? or have you moved onto a higher plain and you are looking at the big picture having appeared on TPV to speak about the Libel Trial where you actually said nothing of value and managed to speak about your own book, how your were hounded by trolls on twitter and didn't bother to mention Goncalo Amaral's book.

Come on Ros, where do you actually stand on anything nowadays?

Aquila can I ask you to please stop using this thread to bash people on whether they have donated. 

If you have a personal gripe with her cant you take it up on her blog where she is more likely to respond. 

Let's keep this fund positive and encouraging.
Sometimes I'm out of order and I apologise but in this instance I believe I'm not.

Cristobell's blog only prints things that Rosalinda Hutton chooses to publish on her blog.


It's coming across to me like a personal crusade because you don't like someone. Who gives a toss if she's donated or not.
Obviously I do and given there is a forthcoming (whenever that will be or if it will ever be) documentary which Ms Hutton has tweeted a photograph of herself looking through the viewfinder of a tv camera perched at a certain site on the shore of a park where a Sky News dossier report was made. Prior to this there was the disastrous troll interview with the nice man from The Sun and soothing tweets from Sonia Poulton.

Ms Hutton goes where there is notoriety imo. I would have thought Ms Hutton would be delighted by this singular campaign with a donation in her own name to show support. So please excuse me for not agreeing with you.


[Mod: aquila, you have made your point by now and katie_mc has responded. Can we please end it there]

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Post by aquila on Wed May 20, 2015 4:40 pm

It's really exciting to watch the contributions mounting. Only £130 to go to reach 80% of the target. The £20k barrier will be broken today methinks.

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Post by melisande on Wed May 20, 2015 4:50 pm

@aquila wrote:It's really exciting to watch the contributions mounting. Only £130 to go to reach 80% of the target. The £20k barrier will be broken today methinks.
An average of around £17 every hour would have the £20k barrier broken by midnight  big grin

omg!!! Someone has just donated £130 to take it up to £20 k !!!!!  What a generous person he or she is .   clapping

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Post by aquila on Wed May 20, 2015 5:09 pm

@melisande wrote:
@aquila wrote:It's really exciting to watch the contributions mounting. Only £130 to go to reach 80% of the target. The £20k barrier will be broken today methinks.
An average of around £17 every hour would have the £20k barrier broken by midnight  big grin
A very generous darling called PM has just smashed the barrier.

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Post by melisande on Wed May 20, 2015 5:11 pm

@aquila wrote:
@melisande wrote:
@aquila wrote:It's really exciting to watch the contributions mounting. Only £130 to go to reach 80% of the target. The £20k barrier will be broken today methinks.
An average of around £17 every hour would have the £20k barrier broken by midnight  big grin

A very generous darling called PM has just smashed the barrier.
woo hoo!!!!!

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Post by katie_mc on Wed May 20, 2015 5:14 pm

So generous PM. Nice one. Let's hope your request is heard Mr

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Post by aquila on Thu May 21, 2015 9:19 pm

The fund is now at £24,420

This latest comment from a Scottish contributor has tickled me pink

Goncalo, here are a couple of satirical jokes to cheer you up from our Sage Frankie Boyle on his recent election autopsy programme – “I don’t read newspapers anymore, I just lie to myself and cut out the middle man” About the Tories opinion of Scotland –“I feel they hate us after the independence referendum, they know if we had gone they would have no energy except burning suppressed paedophile dossiers which means England will run out of fuel in 250 years” Says it all really!

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Post by HelenMeg on Thu May 21, 2015 9:33 pm

@aquila wrote:The fund is now at £24,420

This latest comment from a Scottish contributor has tickled me pink

Goncalo, here are a couple of satirical jokes to cheer you up from our Sage Frankie Boyle on his recent election autopsy programme – “I don’t read newspapers anymore, I just lie to myself and cut out the middle man” About the Tories opinion of Scotland –“I feel they hate us after the independence referendum, they know if we had gone they would have no energy except burning suppressed paedophile dossiers which means England will run out of fuel in 250 years” Says it all really!
Just to correct - at £20420! -

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Post by aquila on Thu May 21, 2015 9:58 pm

@HelenMeg wrote:
@aquila wrote:The fund is now at £24,420

This latest comment from a Scottish contributor has tickled me pink

Goncalo, here are a couple of satirical jokes to cheer you up from our Sage Frankie Boyle on his recent election autopsy programme – “I don’t read newspapers anymore, I just lie to myself and cut out the middle man” About the Tories opinion of Scotland –“I feel they hate us after the independence referendum, they know if we had gone they would have no energy except burning suppressed paedophile dossiers which means England will run out of fuel in 250 years” Says it all really!
Just to correct - at £20420! -
I was touch typing without looking.

£20,420.

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Post by suzysu on Thu May 21, 2015 10:48 pm

Just thought I'd post the link again for those (like me) who are (almost) too lazy to go looking...

http://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n

Every bit helps, even if you've already chipped in a little, perhaps you could do so again? I'm going to add another nominal sum to my previous small gesture. Oh, so many of us doing the same. It's all adding up, isn't it? And it isn't just the money that's being raised, it's the weight of public opinion that's so interesting.

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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements on Fri May 22, 2015 7:06 am

If you look on the scrolling headline banner the first message says: Please support Gonçalo Amaral's Legal Defence Fund hhttp://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA


So no need to go looking very far.

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Post by Guest on Sat May 23, 2015 4:59 pm

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Post by aquila on Sun May 24, 2015 11:26 am

Here is a comment from the latest donation to Kate McCann's cycle ride.

You are an inspiration to all mothers and indeed to all women. Good luck. Xx
Donation by Anonymous on 22/05/15
£50.00
+ £12.50 Gift Aid

......................................................

Whilst everyone is at liberty to donate to whatever they choose there does seem a bit of a constant with the term 'inspirational' within the comments on Kate McCann's justgiving page.

Just an observation.

I just want to add that the people who donated £2 to have a pop at Kate McCann on her justgiving page should hang their heads in shame. Even if they were paid shills.

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Post by Joss on Sun May 24, 2015 2:27 pm

The Verdict - 2 

The McCanns hoped to silence Dr Goncalo Amaral by taking the legal action which they did.

The recent verdict, their Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte hailed as having achieved just that.

How wrong could the McCanns have been!

How wrong could their lawyer Isabel Duarte have been!

How wrong could the UK MSM have been when they sprung into action to print the lies which they did about Dr Amaral.

How wrong could Antonella Lazzeri of the Sun have been when she too sprung into action and referred in the abhorrent way she did regarding Dr Amaral, writing a piece which she might find leads to her finding herself in Court!


All wrong to believe that the public were about to accept this 
any more.

The UK public decided NO MORE LIES from these people.

The UK public and beyond decided they would NOT ALLOW Dr Amaral to be silenced, not by the McCanns, the very people who STILL AS YET have given NO EXPLANATIONS whatsoever for much in the case of their missing daughter.

They simply avoid answering direct questions.
They simply refuse to answer direct questions.
The simply ignore that there are questions needing answered.

They still ask the public to send them their cash.  

Kate McCann asks that the public donate, sponsor her on a cycle ride for charity.

A charity which in itself a huge question mark hangs over in the minds of many.


Dr Goncalo Amaral has not been silenced by the McCanns far from it.

Their legal action and the recent verdict has in fact given him a stronger voice.   The people have become his voice.

They are speaking out loud and clear as to their feelings regarding the treatment of this good and gentle man, and the abhorrent and vile conduct of the McCanns.

They are not only donating to the fund to assist Dr Amaral with legal fees so that he may defend himself against the McCanns (McCanns had his personal assets frozen over FIVE years ago now, leaving this man unable to defend actions against him.  Friends coming to his assistance) the public are speaking out, leaving very poignant messages of support for Dr Amaral, whilst also not holding back as to their feelings about this case, the dirty tricks, the stench that it emits.

Each day the numbers expressing their anger at the McCanns grows, with no sign of any let up.


For justice - May it long continue!  May the momentum continue.

The PUBLIC, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, GIVEN THEIR VERDICT.

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/The_Verdict_-_2.html

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Post by plebgate on Sun May 24, 2015 6:18 pm

@aquila wrote:Here is a comment from the latest donation to Kate McCann's cycle ride.

You are an inspiration to all mothers and indeed to all women. Good luck. Xx
Donation by Anonymous on 22/05/15
£50.00
+ £12.50 Gift Aid

......................................................

Whilst everyone is at liberty to donate to whatever they choose there does seem a bit of a constant with the term 'inspirational' within the comments on Kate McCann's justgiving page.

Just an observation.

I just want to add that the people who donated £2 to have a pop at Kate McCann on her justgiving page should hang their heads in shame. Even if they were paid shills.
I wish they had given the reason why they think she is an inspiration to all mothers and indeed to all women.    Is it because she is riding a bike 500 miles?   If it is,  big grin

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Post by TMH on Tue May 26, 2015 7:29 pm

@aquila wrote:Here is a comment from the latest donation to Kate McCann's cycle ride.

You are an inspiration to all mothers and indeed to all women. Good luck. Xx
Donation by Anonymous on 22/05/15
£50.00
+ £12.50 Gift Aid

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Whilst everyone is at liberty to donate to whatever they choose there does seem a bit of a constant with the term 'inspirational' within the comments on Kate McCann's justgiving page.

Just an observation.

I just want to add that the people who donated £2 to have a pop at Kate McCann on her justgiving page should hang their heads in shame. Even if they were paid shills.
Wow!! A woman who left 3 babies alone is called an inspiration to mothers and  to all women?? Well you can count me out, I don't think she's inspirational at all, I think I'll get a sex change lol!

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