SK - Brunt still at it. Beyond belief

PeterMac wrote:"The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, said they are "delighted" with the judge's verdict."
The above quote was from a couple of days ago.

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DELIGHTED!!!  They have been delighted from day 2, lollipops and laughing, jogging, balloons outside the church . .

notlongnow wrote:Unless that person agrees to be stiched up or is dead, it will be one of the most stupid ideas for them to do.
It would backfire big time.

HelenMeg wrote:Its absurd isn't it - this conversation taking place.

IMO, there was already a cover up taking place and MB had been assigned a role - 'to get involved' and 'keep an eye on RM and help him to do what 'they' needed him to do.'
So I think MB was being directed to both be 'reporter on the ground' and to build a very good relationship quickly with RM so as to ensure RM was only speaking to him and that the right stuff was being portrayed in the media which was conducive to what the wider 'Team Mc Cann' wanted.  MB seems throughout to have played a role... reporter with an added assignment - to ensure the right story got across and that RM was 'looked after closely'.

aiyoyo wrote:

More than beyond belief !
Are people expected to believe that OG or Home Office would leak operational details to S&S.

Mirage wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:Its absurd isn't it - this conversation taking place.

IMO, there was already a cover up taking place and MB had been assigned a role - 'to get involved' and 'keep an eye on RM and help him to do what 'they' needed him to do.'
So I think MB was being directed to both be 'reporter on the ground' and to build a very good relationship quickly with RM so as to ensure RM was only speaking to him and that the right stuff was being portrayed in the media which was conducive to what the wider 'Team Mc Cann' wanted.  MB seems throughout to have played a role... reporter with an added assignment - to ensure the right story got across and that RM was 'looked after closely'.

HelenMeg I think you are spot on. Who better to control the situation on the ground. I was interested to see who else picked this up.

No one was likely to ask, "Say, who was that guy?' When he's camped  out at the media digs and is out and about talking to the salient people. All perfectly normal.

The impression I get is of a huge tension between the Murat camp and the Mccann camp right back at the start. Two factions. GM "It's  a disaster." And RM "It's  the biggest cock up in history." 

Question is, was MB in the Murat camp as it appears from this he was. In that case when TM were eventually in the ascendancy, did he change allegiances?  Perhaps under pressure.That might explain the troll dossier. I saw him drop his head in his hands when he thought the camera was off him after a video link. This was shortly after and he looked defeated. I looked out for a repeat on the hour but they never ran it. I was taken aback at his demeanour and was not surprised it hit the cutting room floor. 

Or, was he a double agent? Feigning help to the hapless Murat, while monitoring the situation.

I remember when MB had a blog on Sky. It was riddled with pro Mc shills who were very nasty pieces of work. In the end comments unsympathetic to TM were whooshed overnight - and  in huge numbers. The pro comments would remain, having accrued astronomically high ratings from nothing. No amount of complaints rectified the situation and in the end it felt very edgy to post anything - it felt as if you were being watched.

Mirage wrote:Portuguese journo (sounds like Felgueiras): Did you know Robert Murat?
GM: (cough) I'm  not going to answer that.

A straightforward  enough question.  Why the reluctance?

The interesting thing is what prompted her to ask?
Sandra Felgueiras, eh.. What a class act. The only journo to ask that pair the right questions. And boy, did she get under their  skin.

whodunit wrote:

Mirage wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:Its absurd isn't it - this conversation taking place.

IMO, there was already a cover up taking place and MB had been assigned a role - 'to get involved' and 'keep an eye on RM and help him to do what 'they' needed him to do.'
So I think MB was being directed to both be 'reporter on the ground' and to build a very good relationship quickly with RM so as to ensure RM was only speaking to him and that the right stuff was being portrayed in the media which was conducive to what the wider 'Team Mc Cann' wanted.  MB seems throughout to have played a role... reporter with an added assignment - to ensure the right story got across and that RM was 'looked after closely'.

HelenMeg I think you are spot on. Who better to control the situation on the ground. I was interested to see who else picked this up.

No one was likely to ask, "Say, who was that guy?' When he's camped  out at the media digs and is out and about talking to the salient people. All perfectly normal.

The impression I get is of a huge tension between the Murat camp and the Mccann camp right back at the start. Two factions. GM "It's  a disaster." And RM "It's  the biggest cock up in history." 

Question is, was MB in the Murat camp as it appears from this he was. In that case when TM were eventually in the ascendancy, did he change allegiances?  Perhaps under pressure.That might explain the troll dossier. I saw him drop his head in his hands when he thought the camera was off him after a video link. This was shortly after and he looked defeated. I looked out for a repeat on the hour but they never ran it. I was taken aback at his demeanour and was not surprised it hit the cutting room floor. 

Or, was he a double agent? Feigning help to the hapless Murat, while monitoring the situation.

I remember when MB had a blog on Sky. It was riddled with pro Mc shills who were very nasty pieces of work. In the end comments unsympathetic to TM were whooshed overnight - and  in huge numbers. The pro comments would remain, having accrued astronomically high ratings from nothing. No amount of complaints rectified the situation and in the end it felt very edgy to post anything - it felt as if you were being watched.

Two factions is absolutely right. One faction identifies Murat, the other fires back identifying McCann.....A couple of strategic meetings and a cease-fire is reached....

RM: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I dont want to end up in prison....(sigh)


MB: That would be the last thing we want...

RM: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...

Who is WE? Whose CONTRACT RULES?

There is an undercurrent to this conversation that fairly screams 'we know what we're talking about just don't say it out loud'.

Mirage wrote:J Rob Thank you. You have articulated pretty much my line of thinking.

Oh good - I am glad someone else is thinking along similar lines....

Add JW and BoD into the mix. How amazing that a documentary maker and a former Crimewatch team member were woken up at one in the morning, told there was a child missing, that the place was crawling with searchers but they were not needed. "Oh right. We'll just get back off to sleep then." And the point of that was...?

I refuse to believe this is a coincidence. A journalist who used to work on Crimewatch and a TV documentary maker who specializes in drama/sensationalist drama just so happen to be in the resort that week. And not only that - Jez Wilkins just so happens to bump into Gerry at such a crucial time in such a crucial place. I refuse to believe this is a coincidence - whether or not this meeting actually happened at that time and in that place. If it did, I suspect it was anything but a chit-chat about the weather... 

Then the bizarre "My Months with Madeleine" article!! Pretty blonde girls all in pink - so much so that BoD didn't know who was who. What a load of tripe. She even tells of KH arriving at the pool on the Sat morning. Can anyone ANYONE imagine your child is possibly lying dead or seriously injured somewhere in the scrubland around PdL and you can go to the pool??? And this supposed stoicism is admirable???? What planet is that woman on?

Agreed. It is all a load of rubbish. There is a photo in the media I do believe of Kate sitting at the pool-side with Fiona and I think Sean is there in arm-bands. I totally agree - the idea that anyone is expected to believe this was an abduction when the mother just plonks herself by the pool less than 48 hours afterwards is just 'ludicrous' as GM might say. 

JW also complained of sporadic calls from GM (IIRC) over months with regard to timings and details of their talk in the road.

I hadn't read about that. However, I do think it is on record that Jez Wilkins' finds the way that the McCanns' detectives contact him heavy-handed. It is most certainly on record that Detective Amaral is extremely interested in the Jez - Gerry encounter at 9.15pm that fateful night. Plus also interested in how the pair might know each other and whether Jez was familiar with the Mc family routine that week. Bridget, in an article in the Guardian later in the year, lies by writing that the Portuguese police 'never bothered to contact Jez'. This is a total lie as Detective Amaral sent an urgent fax to Jez a few days after the alleged Tanner-man nonsensical abduction asking him all sorts of probing questions. Not the least of which was: would Jez know of any reason why someone might want to kidnap Gerry McCann's daughter?

Call me old-fashioned, but I think that shows quite a high degree of understanding on the part of sardine-munching Dr Amaral who has two-hour lunches that he is on the case pretty damn quick....

Anyway, I digress. MB is quite a key figure in my opinion. As I have said, the head in hands image shocked me. Was he got at in the end?

I think he is probably a bit of a pawn. I think the early reports were quite critical of the Mcs...his included I do believe? Then the TM shills went into attack mode. He probably got put on the firing line. Murdoch couldn't give a flying whatnot what happens to him, nor the Sky echelons....it has shown itself to be an organization without any kind of moral compass. Not good. He could even have been threatened....this case has been very dirty...What really happened in the Brenda case....very strange.

The RM translating duties was very convenient wasn't it? Someone at the heart of the investigation, knowing exactly what was going on. Also helping check empty apartments, I believe.

Yes -  I think he was drafted in to find out what really happened. To get first hand account of witness statements and maybe also to facilitate with local contacts and finding out about apartments.

There is also the bizarre information stall set up by JM for those who had info but maybe didn't want to go to the police. How was that allowed to happen? Bonkers! Never known anything like this case. It is knee deep in God knows what and I have a great sense of menace and evil  - yes, evil - off the whole shooting match.

Beyond weird...maybe a little sanctuary for those 'in the know' of some kind of hoax....or maybe just to catch the gullible and get some insider info before the police got their hands on it. Maybe trying to get her son off the hook. I just don't know. But the phone call between JM, RM and Brunt is so ridiculous, imo.

Who was the woman journalist who blew the whistle on RM? Very very odd. And MB seems to allude to that in the phone call.

Mirror Journo Louis Campbell. I think she claimed that he behaved like Ian Huntley and took too much interest in the case, hanging around......I'd check her out. IMO Ian Huntley was stitched up. I bet she knows that...what a creep.....

Murat, on the other hand, received rather a large pay-out. How can these people (Murdoch hacks) sleep at night? I hope they have nightmares because that is what they deserve...

The lead up to that troll dossier was very choreographed with that dreadful S&S. What a bunch of unsavoury people.

Couldn't agree more. This whole case is about sleaze, sleaze and more sleaze. Vultures arrived at the trough of an innocent child and helped themselves.

Pathetic, utterly pathetic. 

I am quite convinced that Murdoch's wedding to the photogenic (but dim) Gerry Hall is a (rather desperate, imo) attempt at a PR exercise. I do believe that is the case. But lawyer/barrister friends also think it is to do with inheritance stuff. Quite so - money I am sure is at the forefront of Murdoch's  reptilian brain . (He does actually look a bit like a reptile now..  )

IMO!

MayMuse wrote:

whodunit wrote:

Mirage wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:Its absurd isn't it - this conversation taking place.

IMO, there was already a cover up taking place and MB had been assigned a role - 'to get involved' and 'keep an eye on RM and help him to do what 'they' needed him to do.'
So I think MB was being directed to both be 'reporter on the ground' and to build a very good relationship quickly with RM so as to ensure RM was only speaking to him and that the right stuff was being portrayed in the media which was conducive to what the wider 'Team Mc Cann' wanted.  MB seems throughout to have played a role... reporter with an added assignment - to ensure the right story got across and that RM was 'looked after closely'.

HelenMeg I think you are spot on. Who better to control the situation on the ground. I was interested to see who else picked this up.

No one was likely to ask, "Say, who was that guy?' When he's camped  out at the media digs and is out and about talking to the salient people. All perfectly normal.

The impression I get is of a huge tension between the Murat camp and the Mccann camp right back at the start. Two factions. GM "It's  a disaster." And RM "It's  the biggest cock up in history." 

Question is, was MB in the Murat camp as it appears from this he was. In that case when TM were eventually in the ascendancy, did he change allegiances?  Perhaps under pressure.That might explain the troll dossier. I saw him drop his head in his hands when he thought the camera was off him after a video link. This was shortly after and he looked defeated. I looked out for a repeat on the hour but they never ran it. I was taken aback at his demeanour and was not surprised it hit the cutting room floor. 

Or, was he a double agent? Feigning help to the hapless Murat, while monitoring the situation.

I remember when MB had a blog on Sky. It was riddled with pro Mc shills who were very nasty pieces of work. In the end comments unsympathetic to TM were whooshed overnight - and  in huge numbers. The pro comments would remain, having accrued astronomically high ratings from nothing. No amount of complaints rectified the situation and in the end it felt very edgy to post anything - it felt as if you were being watched.

Two factions is absolutely right. One faction identifies Murat, the other fires back identifying McCann.....A couple of strategic meetings and a cease-fire is reached....

RM: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I dont want to end up in prison....(sigh)


MB: That would be the last thing we want...

RM: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...

Who is WE? Whose CONTRACT RULES?

There is an undercurrent to this conversation that fairly screams 'we know what we're talking about just don't say it out loud'.

That's the bit that jumped out to me also (we/contract rules)... Does he mean as a 'translator'? Who he works for. Or sky news contract? Or like a "pact"? Do Freemasons sign 'contracts'? 

Has this been a set up from the beginning? 

There is something quite sinister (to me) about that conversation, and since when are journalists allowed to contact 'suspects'? 

Interesting too that they speak like they have spoken before? 
I wonder if MB knew RM before May 2007?


Freemasons say an " oath" at their initiation ceremonies, which they really do not like to break, ever