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"We'll put a million quid of our own dosh in to help find Madeleine - if Grange is wound up" - Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.03.15 12:14

Sun on Sunday today:

EXCLUSIVE: Parents pump almost £1million into search fund


Exclusive by Mike Hamilton

The parents or Madeleine McCann plan to plough their own money into the search for their missing daughter if police halt their investigation.


Kate and Gerry McCann both 47, of Rothley Leics, fear public donations have dried up as the search approaches its eighth anniversary.

So they have pumped almost £1 million into a fund for Madeleine that would be running at a loss without their cash.

The money came from Kate's book about Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal in May 2007 and the search for her.

A top cop suggested this week the £10 million police probe into the case should be wound up.

Met Police Federation chairman John Tully said "We no longer have the resources to conduct specialist inquiries all over the world"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6389052/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-will-fund-search-for-missing-Madeleine.html

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Post by joyce1938 on 29.03.15 12:18

Its about time that some of the money that went in the fund ,is now maybe going into it . after all a lot has been spent on the mystery of mbm.So who will get to be in charge of events from here on ? joyce1938

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Post by Guest on 29.03.15 12:51

Is this official confirmation that the Fund is running out of cash?  Oh dear, what about all those legal fees they've yet to pay.

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Post by sharonl on 29.03.15 12:52

On the front cover of the book is a clear note that says "All royalties donated to Madeleine's fund"  so can we assume that there has been other income from this book that has been paid directly to the McCanns for their personal use? 

I wonder how much they made personally from the book.  Surely, if they wanted to find their daughter then all proceeds from anything to do with the book would have been used to find her.

I hope they don't squander their own money (that we were led to believe, would be used in the search) like they squandered the funds kindly donated by the public. I hope that they employ credible investigators and not the crooks that they have in the past.  http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/four-mccann-investigators-have-been.html 


 

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Post by jeanmonroe on 29.03.15 13:06

"ello, 'ello, 'ello, i'd consider it an extraordinary priviledge to take the lead role in your private 'search' for Madeleine, Mr and Mrs McCann, given my superior, elite, 30 years experience, bought so successfully to bear, in my official capacity as the ex elite lead investigator, of Operation Grange, for 3 1/2 years, to find Madeleine" said ex DCI Mahogany.

"For £500,000 'up front' (cash) i will set up a faux 'hotline' and employ the 'big boy team' of ex OG elite police officers, to search for a 'live', or sadly 'dead', Madeleine" he added.

Every 'cloud', and all that, Mr Mahogany?

ps: Mr Mahog, Barry George never dunnit, innit?



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£27 million-plus spent on looking for Madeleine so far

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.03.15 13:25

It's surely time for everyone concerned to update this thread by sharonl on the cost of looking for Madeleine:

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4573-the-cost-of-looking-for-madeleine-so-far-20-million

...which said that the total cost of looking for Madeleine so far was about £20 million

I've made one change - in bold blue - by updating the cost of the Scotland Yard investigation.

I make the total cost at least £27 million so far - maybe more.

With the McCanns about to toss in another million or so... 

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The cost of looking for Madeleine so far. £20 million?

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/cost-of-looking-for-madeleine-so-far-20.html

How much has the search for Madeleine cost so far? It began at 10.00pm on Thursday 3 May when the McCanns said that Madeleine had been abducted.

Here is a rough calculation of the total costs so far, accompanied by a few notes:

£548,477 - The cost for Leicestershire Police's part in the search in 2007-8 was £548, 477, of which the Home Office refunded £525,069.

£4 million - A conservative estimate of the cost to the Portuguese Police of their investigation, just in 2007-8.

£3 million - A conservative estimate of the costs of the McCanns’ private investigations and public relations so far, made up as follows:

• At least £300,00o, maybe more, to Metodo 3
• £½ million plus expenses to Kevin Halligen
• Salaries and expenses to Dave Edgar, Arthur Cowley and assorted other detectives, plus trips to Germany (Hewlett), Barcelona (Victoria Beckham-lookalike) and various other trips
• Salaries of Justine McGuinness and Clarence Mitchell plus expenses: £300,000 so far

£2 million - the estimated cost to Interpol and an assortment of police forces around the globe, who have had to deal with hundreds, possibly thousands of ‘sightings’ of Madeleine, in countries such as the U.K., Germany, France, Portugal, Morocco, Spain, Canada, Venezuela, Australia and New Zealand.
The estimate is based on say 1,000 ‘sightings’ requiring an average of say £2,000 of police time to investigate each sighting

£3.5 million Now £10.5 million or more - and rising by £6,500 a day - for the current Scotland Yard ‘Review’. The review is said to be staffed by 37 officers. If their average salary is say £40,000, and they work on the review for say at least a year, that would cost around £2 million alone (including e.g. pension and employer’s N.I. contributions), and that doesn’t include the cost of e.g. hotels and travel for visits to Portugal and Spain

£1 million - for lawyer’s fees: Edward Smethurst (co-ordinating lawyer), Carter-Ruck (suing lots of people), Michael Caplan Q.C. (extradition), Portuguese lawyers including extradition lawyers and Isabel Duarte, International Family Law Group (wardship proceedings before ms Justice Hogg in the High Court)

An unknown amount - for the current Portuguese investigation begun in Oporto.

An unknown amount - for answering various Freedom of Information Act queries from press and public about the case.

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Post by Guest on 29.03.15 14:22

What a combination - McSpin and the Sun.  Something's bothering them...

I see Kiko's been tweeting Gary O'Shea of the Scum re. Creche record signatures.

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Post by DaSteelMan on 29.03.15 14:37

In my opinion, what is left of Team McCann would now love for the SY investigation to end.

Operation Grange will end soon, but not in a way that Team McCann wishes.

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Re: "We'll put a million quid of our own dosh in to help find Madeleine - if Grange is wound up" - Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann

Post by Enid O'Dowd on 29.03.15 15:11

Per the audited accounts for from Commencement in 2007 to 31 March 2014 a total of £3,511,375 has been spent on the search for Madeleine though we cannot analyse this expenditure as only in year 1 and in year 7 was any analysis of expenditure provided in the audited account.

Per the notes in the audited accounts Dr Kate McCann has given a total of £1,138,487 to the Fund. In the year ending 31.3.2012 she donated £738,487 (£550,000 to restricted Funds and £ 188,487 to unrestricted funds) and in the year to 31.3.2014 she donated £400,000 to restricted funds.

For further information see my detailed analysis of the audited accounts for the various years on www.mccannfiles.com 

The current accounting year for the Fund ends this week on 31.3.2015 and the expenditure on 'searching' in this year  is anybody's guess! 

Presumably the audited accounts for this year will not be available at Companies House until close to the legal deadline after which fines apply. Filing the accounts close to the legal deadline has been a consistent  pattern.

The audited accounts have never been put on the official website.

Where is the 'openness and transparency' relating to the Fund that Dr Kate McCann promised in her book madeleine 'whatever it cost'?

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Post by Dr What on 29.03.15 15:11

It is beyond any rational comprehension to me that anyone, from whatever background, rich or poor, decided to give any money to the parents of a 'missing' child before they were officially cleared of any involvement.

Members of the public were easily suckered into a public relations exercise on the back of a few old photos and videos of a child.

Only now,perhaps, are those same members of the public stopping to donate and also considering the fact  that they have contributed not only to a well orchestrated scam, but also to enhancing the lifestyle of the very people who contributed to the misfortune of this child.

It is only because this family have used these donations to prevent anyone from voicing what the official PJ investigation concluded, that this nonsense has lasted this long.

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Post by DaSteelMan on 29.03.15 15:41

Never understand why the word 'hunt' is used.  Hunting means to trap or kill.

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of what 'searching' has been done by Team McCann in the last 3 years.  ie:

1) Flights

2) Accommodation

3) Meetings

4) Ground work 

When I say 'searching' I'm not talking about internet minions on Twitter ... I mean proper searching as listed above - similar to the way Kerry Needham has recently detailed.

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Post by sharonl on 29.03.15 15:45

Some interesting points about the fund here, from Gerry & Kate on 22nd May 2007, Including their own admission that significant legal funds would be paid from the fund. 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xadua4_mccanns-early-press-conference-2007_webcam


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Post by Enid O'Dowd on 29.03.15 16:09

It is indeed likely that a significant part of the expenditure of the Fund has related to legal fees.

Below a schedule of the lawyers who have and/or still do act for the McCanns:

THE LAWYERS ENGAGED IN SEARCH FOR MADELEINE
 
 
Lawyers - UK
 
 
Name of firmLocationStaff involvedAreas of expertiseWork done
Bates Wells & BraithwaiteLondon EC4Rosamund McCarthy, Tom Pratt,
Company Secretarial Department staff
 
Department for Charities and NGOsSet up company, Obtain trademark, ongoing company secretarial work
 
International Family Law GroupLondon WC2Ann Thomas, David Hodson, unnamed paralegal – probably Richard Jones
 
Family law especially re international abductionsConvinced McCanns of need to set up limited company, assisted in its formation. Initially cheques sent c/o their office.
Michael Nicholls QCLondon EC4n/a
 
Family lawAdvised on ‘reasonable parenting’, limited company
Geoffrey Robinson QC
 
London WC1n/aHuman rights lawyerDeclaration re EU child rescue alert
Kingsley Napley
 
EC1Michael Caplan, Angus McBride
 
Criminal lawyersAdvice on arguido status
Howes Percival
 
Milton KeynesUnclearCommercial law firm – 6 officesUnclear
Stephenson Harwood
 
London EC4UnclearInternational firmUnclear
Carter RuckLondon EC4Isobel Hudson
Adam Tudor
Media lawA number of libel actions re UK media, Sr. Amoral, Tony Bennett and others
Edward Smethurst  Commercial lawyer acting for businessman Brian KennedyMade director of Madeleine’s Fund.
Co-ordinator of McCann legal teams
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lawyers - Portugal
 
 
 
Lawyer
 
BackgroundServices
Carlos Pinto de ArbreuHuman rights lawyer recommended to them and described as ‘our criminal lawyer’ p.271 of madeleine
 
Acted for Gerry
Rogerio AlvesPresident of the Portuguese bar and suggested by Brian Kennedy to provide additional legal support in Portugal
 
Acted for Kate
Isabel DuarteLibel lawyerSued Sr Amaral
 
 
Note: This list may not be comprehensive.

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Post by DaSteelMan on 29.03.15 16:19

Still would be nice to see a direct breakdown of the actual searching in last few years.

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Post by sharonl on 29.03.15 16:53

@DaSteelMan wrote:Still would be nice to see a direct breakdown of the actual searching in last few years.

OK, I will start that off

We are told that £50,000 per month was paid to Metodo 3 but they turned out to be bogus and achieved nothing more than a run of media stories which turned out to be false. 

The we have the £500,000 allegedly paid to Richard Halligen, but then we hear that none of the calls to the hotline set up by his company were ever listened too.

Then there might have been a few hundred pounds paid to that great team of well established crack detectives, Alphaig Limited.  They know that Madeleine is being held in a hellish lair in PDL but with no assets and no cash, perhaps they just couldn't follow that up with an investigation. 

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2455-arthur-cowley-s-cottage-hq-of-alphaig

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/mccann-detective-arthur-cowleys-bogus.html

Oh, and of the course the trips to the Vatican and Whitehouse etc., no stone unturned remember.

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Post by plebgate on 29.03.15 21:01

Err £1 million of their own money?  Their own money?   Don't understand what that means really.   How is it their own money?   Their own money would imo be from money they have earned doing the jobs they were trained to do.

Writing books about the true account of what happened on the holiday?  How is that their own money?   Wasn't it written to raise funds for the search for Maddie?

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Post by PeterMac on 29.03.15 21:17

I am interested to discover that they have cash reserves so large that they can contemplate liquidating a small portion of them, - say £ 1 million -
to assist the "fund" in whatever it is doing at the moment, and in whatever it has been doing for the last 7 years.

How much do the McCanns have at their instant disposal ?

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Post by sharonl on 29.03.15 21:29

@plebgate wrote:Err £1 million of their own money?  Their own money?   Don't understand what that means really.   How is it their own money?   Their own money would imo be from money they have earned doing the jobs they were trained to do.

Writing books about the true account of what happened on the holiday?  How is that their own money?   Wasn't it written to raise funds for the search for Maddie?


I would guess that this money is from the likes of The Sun (Rebekah Brooks, again) who wanted to serialise the book (not that I remember them ever doing that) and various interviews etc. 

I am sure that prior to the book going on sale, we were told that all proceeds would go to the Madeleine Fund.

On the cover of the book, it clearly states "All royalties donated to the Madeleine Fund"

in the accounts to March 2013 was a "donation" from Kate McCann, of £550,000

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Post by sharonl on 29.03.15 21:35

@PeterMac wrote:I am interested to discover that they have cash reserves so large that they can contemplate liquidating a small portion of them, - say £ 1 million -
to assist the "fund" in whatever it is doing at the moment, and in whatever it has been doing for the last 7 years.

How much do the McCanns have at their instant disposal ?


The trial against Goncalo Amaral should be due to reach a conclusion.  Am I right in assuming that in the event that he wins, the McCanns will personally be facing huge legal fees, both their own and his?

If I am correct, then Amarals' lawyer will be also be asking that question.  The money is safer in the fund, isn't it?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 29.03.15 22:29

@Enid O'Dowd wrote:It is indeed likely that a significant part of the expenditure of the Fund has related to legal fees.

Below a schedule of the lawyers who have and/or still do act for the McCanns:

THE LAWYERS ENGAGED IN SEARCH FOR MADELEINE
 
 
Lawyers - UK
 
 
Name of firmLocationStaff involvedAreas of expertiseWork done
Bates Wells & BraithwaiteLondon EC4Rosamund McCarthy, Tom Pratt,
Company Secretarial Department staff
 
Department for Charities and NGOsSet up company, Obtain trademark, ongoing company secretarial work
 
International Family Law GroupLondon WC2Ann Thomas, David Hodson, unnamed paralegal – probably Richard Jones
 
Family law especially re international abductionsConvinced McCanns of need to set up limited company, assisted in its formation. Initially cheques sent c/o their office.
Michael Nicholls QCLondon EC4n/a
 
Family lawAdvised on ‘reasonable parenting’, limited company
Geoffrey Robinson QC
 
London WC1n/aHuman rights lawyerDeclaration re EU child rescue alert
Kingsley Napley
 
EC1Michael Caplan, Angus McBride
 
Criminal lawyersAdvice on arguido status
Howes Percival
 
Milton KeynesUnclearCommercial law firm – 6 officesUnclear
Stephenson Harwood
 
London EC4UnclearInternational firmUnclear
Carter RuckLondon EC4Isobel Hudson
Adam Tudor
Media lawA number of libel actions re UK media, Sr. Amoral, Tony Bennett and others
Edward Smethurst  Commercial lawyer acting for businessman Brian KennedyMade director of Madeleine’s Fund.
Co-ordinator of McCann legal teams
 
  
Lawyers - Portugal
Lawyer
 
BackgroundServices
Carlos Pinto de ArbreuHuman rights lawyer recommended to them and described as ‘our criminal lawyer’ p.271 of madeleine
 
Acted for Gerry
Rogerio AlvesPresident of the Portuguese bar and suggested by Brian Kennedy to provide additional legal support in Portugal
 
Acted for Kate
Isabel DuarteLibel lawyerSued Sr Amaral
 
Note: This list may not be comprehensive.
Nicely set out - with SEVENTEEN different lawyers named.

But missing are:


1. Jacob Dean, barrister - Used in the libel/contempt of court action against Tony Bennett

2. Adrienne Page Q.C., barrister - used in the libel/contempt of court action against Tony Bennett

3. Timothy Scott Q.C., 'Family lawyer', WCI, used by the McCanns in 2008

4. Marcos Aragao Correia, the mad lawyer from Madeira who prosecuted Goncalo Amaral and four other detectives on behalf of the McCanns - now in Brazil

5. Another Carter-Ruck lawyer besides Adam Tudor and Isabel Martorell was used in the contempt of court action against Tony Bennett 

Which makes TWENTY-TWO.


See also:  http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5983-a-compendium-of-lawyers-used-so-far-by-the-mccanns

...which estimated the total legal bill for the McCanns to date at over £4 million, it might be well over that by now

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Post by lj on 29.03.15 23:27

@sharonl wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:I am interested to discover that they have cash reserves so large that they can contemplate liquidating a small portion of them, - say £ 1 million -
to assist the "fund" in whatever it is doing at the moment, and in whatever it has been doing for the last 7 years.

How much do the McCanns have at their instant disposal ?


The trial against Goncalo Amaral should be due to reach a conclusion.  Am I right in assuming that in the event that he wins, the McCanns will personally be facing huge legal fees, both their own and his?

If I am correct, then Amarals' lawyer will be also be asking that question.  The money is safer in the fund, isn't it?

Their own, Dr Amaral, and the other 2 parties. 
I have no doubt that the last year there has been a lot of "hide the penny" (not always in the fund) going on.

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Post by Angelique on 29.03.15 23:32

sharonl

"If I am correct, then Amarals' lawyer will be also be asking that question.  The money is safer in the fund, isn't it?"

I think you may be right about it being safer in The Fund.

It must be a precautionary measure - perhaps Enid O'Dowd can advise?

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Post by whatsupdoc on 30.03.15 9:31

I wrote on Tuesday in the Yes it's time... thread on page 2 about...

I suppose 11 million quid is small change to cover up certain people especially when it doesn't come out of your pocket.

and now we get this article about McCann's own money.

Since the GA trial, I thought it unfair to have GA put up his monies and not have the McCanns  do similar, at least I surmise that they haven't had to put up monies should they lose their case.

So if the McCanns lose and much of their wealth has been squirreled away , what monies can be accessed by a court and what can't be?

Money and items bought from criminal activities can be seized so if it is shown that the McCann Fund was fraudulent, then let's not forget that 2 mortgage payments were made on their house.

People gave money to the Fund on the understanding that it would be used for searching and we have be told by TM that most of the monies would be used for legal purposes...not what the donors expected.

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Post by aquila on 30.03.15 12:42

Does anyone have the complete article to post up?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 30.03.15 12:56

According to the Madeleine 'fund' accounts, (2014)  there is only £753,056 (restricted and unrestricted) 'available'.

So the McCann's are going to have to 'find' at least £246,944 from 'somewhere' to keep their public 'pledge' to 'spend' £1,000,000 (of their 'OWN' money) on 'finding' Madeleine if OG is 'closed' aren't they?.

So Madeleine is 'only' WORTH £1million to the McCann's?

NOT £1.5, £3, or £100 miliion?

memo to McCann's:

MY children, ALL of them, individually, are absolutely 'PRICELESS'!!
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Perhaps time for ANOTHER 'placed/faux' er, 'accusation' or 'article' in one of Murdoch's 'papers', about poor McCanns, with an 'out of court' settlement, between McCanns and our 'Rupe', for say, £246,944, in 'damages'?

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