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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.15 14:34

XTC wrote:
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Because DCI Wall had better be sure that the child in question was ACTUALLY IN in the place where it was alleged she was abducted or removed from

If not ( patsy's included ) any sharp lawyer is going to ask that question.

"Assumption" is useless in this case as there is no forensic evidence that Madeleine was in 5a.

Like the witnessing in general it's all hearsay. No objective proof.
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A super VALID 'point' by XTC.

And XTC's 'observation' puts DCI Wall's 'reputation and career' ON THE LINE!

All she 'knows' is that Madeleine McCann is 'missing'

NOT 'when, how or WHERE from'

Other than what she's been TOLD only by the parents of the 'missing' child.

Jane Tanner did NOT 'see' Madeleine McCann 'being abducted'

Matthew Oldfield did NOT 'see' Madeleine McCann,in her bed, in apartment, G5A.

The Smith 'family' did NOT 'see' Madeleine McCann 'being abducted'

The VERY 'last' person' to 'see' Madeleine, in her bed, in apartment, G5A, was (admitted on record) the now 'missing' child, was that child's own father, Gerry McCann. (so he says)

DCI Nicola Wall cannot, and, imo, would ever NOT, swear on oath, that Madeleine McCann WAS 'abducted' from apartment G5A.

So a 'provisional conclusion' from her that Madeleine 'was probably/might of been/could have been 'abducted' by a burglator, and 'removed' from apartment G5A' would not and could not, be upheld ANYWHERE as a satisfactory, or legally binding, 'outcome' to an almost 4 years, £11+ million 'investigation'

Otherwise GA's 'conclusions' might also be 'probably' RIGHT, also!

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.15 15:09

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/564100/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Police-progress-crucial-summit-meeting-Portugal

Madeleine McCann inquiry: Police make progress at crucial summit meeting with Portuguese

BRITISH police have met with Portuguese prosecutors for a crucial summit meeting over the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

Published: 12:33, Sun, March 15, 2015

By John Twomey

Scotland Yard detectives had detailed discussions with the Portuguese over the vital next steps in the multi-million pound probe.

It is understood to be the first time officers from Operation Grange have met officials in Lisbon since 11 key witnesses were re-interviewed in December.

Similar meetings are planned for the near future as the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance approaches.

The Metropolitan Police declined to comment on the latest summit. A spokesman said: “We are not providing a running commentary.”

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry are given regular updates on progress of the investigation.

In their last public message, the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, said: “It’s very apparent that the determination of the Metropolitan Police remains steadfast.”

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 after the McCanns appealed directly to Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Secretary Theresa May.

So far, it was cost around £10 million.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in May 2007.

Former GP Mrs McCann and her heart doctor husband, both 46, have never given up hope that their daughter is still alive.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by aiyoyo on 15.03.15 15:15

@NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches. 


By Tania Laranjo 
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present. 
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process. 
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open". 

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html

Thanks Nick E.

To summarise from that:

Meeting venue was at Attorney General's office 

In attendance :
Portuguese side - 
Pedro do Carmo, Magistrate 
Assistant National Director
District Attorney General 
Chief Investigator - Faro County 

UK side
DCI Nicola Wall
Attorney General
British Ambassador

Second meeting of this kind (with highest authorities ) by DCI Wall since she succeeded Redwood.

It is not the usual periodic operational meeting between PJ and Met Police.  
Given the designation of the attendees, it was a meeting involving people with the power to decide if the case can go forward to prosecution ie strength of case for court.

Involving the British Ambassador in the judiciary/law enforcement agencies meeting is a stange one.  Why would they need the British Ambassador there unless it has got to do with containing diplomatic issue - relationship sensitive issue - between the two countries.

Meeting with Magistrate/Prosecutor is a good sign, involving British Ambassador is also a good sign imv. Since if this is about prosecuting a swarthy smelly binman / burglar / foreigner oddball there would be no need to involve the British Ambassador.  

They have got to be looking at a prosecutable case against UK citizen/s to have involved diplomat.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by stillsloppingout on 15.03.15 23:03

@aiyoyo wrote:
@NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches. 


By Tania Laranjo 
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present. 
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process. 
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open". 

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html

Thanks Nick E.

To summarise from that:

Meeting venue was at Attorney General's office 

In attendance :
Portuguese side - 
Pedro do Carmo, Magistrate 
Assistant National Director
District Attorney General 
Chief Investigator - Faro County 

UK side
DCI Nicola Wall
Attorney General
British Ambassador

Second meeting of this kind (with highest authorities ) by DCI Wall since she succeeded Redwood.

It is not the usual periodic operational meeting between PJ and Met Police.  
Given the designation of the attendees, it was a meeting involving people with the power to decide if the case can go forward to prosecution ie strength of case for court.

Involving the British Ambassador in the judiciary/law enforcement agencies meeting is a stange one.  Why would they need the British Ambassador there unless it has got to do with containing diplomatic issue - relationship sensitive issue - between the two countries.

Meeting with Magistrate/Prosecutor is a good sign, involving British Ambassador is also a good sign imv. Since if this is about prosecuting a swarthy smelly binman / burglar / foreigner oddball there would be no need to involve the British Ambassador.  

They have got to be looking at a prosecutable case against UK citizen/s to have involved diplomat.
It would appear to be the case . but nothing would surprize me anymore .
The problem as has been alluded to , if they conclude a whitewash , what happens if , a body turns up ?, irrefutable evidence turns up? . a Tapas gang member goes mad and shouts from the roof tops .? .
   
 Nearly everybody I talk to thinks they are involved now in some way , simply because as has been pointed out to me , there is no proof that they did NOT do it . Logical really .

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by maebee on 16.03.15 0:08

Madeleine was three when she vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in May 2007.




An improvement on "abducted".

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by jeanmonroe on 16.03.15 0:16

"Similar meetings are planned for the near future as the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance approaches."
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"meetings ARE 'planned' for the near FUTURE......"

So, no 'UTMOST pressing URGENCY' to 'find' a 'live' Madeleine BEFORE 3rd May 2015, 'eighth anniversary' by 38 full time police/staff at OG, and rescue her from her 'hellish lair' within 10kms of PDL?

The 'cat' (FINALLY?) out of 'the bag' with regards to £11+million, taxpayer funded, 'investigation' at OG?

They are NOT 'looking for/searching for' a 'live' Madeleine. imo.

They (OG) 'know', that we 'know', that they have not, never have, and are not, 'searching' for a 'live' Madeleine, imo.

So WHY keep up the 'pretence'? (of pretendy 'searches')

WHY?

What do Cameron and May really 'know' about this 'case'? (if anything?)

If i were T May, allocating/authorising, PUBLIC money, £6,778, daily, to this 'investigation', i'd be 'asking' OG, DCI Wall, EVERY week, nae, EVERY DAY, what have you 'discovered' today?

Perhaps an e-mail to the Public Accounts Commitee might 'chivvy' things along!

thinking

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by maebee on 16.03.15 0:18

 what happens if a body turns up ?

Not gonna happen:(  Well disposed of, imo).


 a Tapas gang member goes mad and shouts from the roof tops .? 


Why hasn't this happened before now?  8 years and not a word of truth from any one of the 9. It's up to Nicola Wall now.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by G-Unit on 16.03.15 0:43

@maebee wrote:
 what happens if a body turns up ?

Not gonna happen:(  Well disposed of, imo).


 a Tapas gang member goes mad and shouts from the roof tops .? 


Why hasn't this happened before now?  8 years and not a word of truth from any one of the 9. It's up to Nicola Wall now.
Maybe it's up to the PJ who have been following their own lines of investigation? I wonder who 'called' the meeting? Was it the Portugese authorities who have found something and invited everyone? Perhaps they are calling the shots.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by jeanmonroe on 16.03.15 0:46

As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait!  winkwink

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by G-Unit on 16.03.15 0:53

I wonder what one calls a female who questions one? F***ing T***er wouldn't do, would it?
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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by fz2 on 16.03.15 0:57

@jeanmonroe wrote:As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait!  winkwink
Sorry for being pedantic but your over use of inverted commas and SHOUTING.......oops button it

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by jeanmonroe on 16.03.15 1:22

@fz2 wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait!  winkwink
Sorry for being pedantic but your over use of inverted commas and SHOUTING.......oops button it

OK, boss!

Oh, hang on,
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fz2 wrote:

Searcher wrote:Could someone way what this headline means in terms of law? "Court reveals today proved matter .."?

(fz2) wrote:

Substitute "proved" with "provided".
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A reply from YOU, to Searcher, above, with TWO, out of FOUR, words, in inverted commas!

POT, KETTLE, BLACK, i'd say!

Welcome to the forum........ 'Kate'!

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by fz2 on 16.03.15 1:34

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@fz2 wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait!  winkwink
Sorry for being pedantic but your over use of inverted commas and SHOUTING.......oops button it

OK, boss!

Oh, hang on,
=================================

fz2 wrote:

Searcher wrote:Could someone way what this headline means in terms of law?  "Court reveals today proved matter .."?

(fz2) wrote:

Substitute "proved" with "provided".
===================================

A reply from YOU, to Searcher, above, with TWO, out of FOUR, words, in inverted commas!

POT, KETTLE, BLACK, i'd say!

Welcome to the forum........ 'Kate'!
Anyone with English literacy would understand why I used inverted commas in that post.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by jeanmonroe on 16.03.15 1:42

Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by fz2 on 16.03.15 1:45

@jeanmonroe wrote:Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.
Nice one, just don't give up your day job in favour of stand up comedy.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 16.03.15 1:54

@fz2 wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.
Nice one, just don't give up your day job in favour of stand up comedy.

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A streaker ran past (or is that passed?)

One had a stroke, the other one, couldn't reach!

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Post by ultimaThule on 16.03.15 2:01

@G-Unit wrote:I wonder what one calls a female who questions one? F***ing T***er wouldn't do, would it?
laughat

Sometimes calling a female who is one sly bitch beyond the pale 'a F**ing T**ser,' or T***rette as the case may be, ain't gonna cut the mustard and it happens that ya gotta put your money where your big mouth is.  

For my money jm may be loud, may be strident, may over egg the pudding but, while her heart's in the right place, she's got my vote.  thumbup

Shine on ,jeanm, you crazy diamond... you'll still be sparkling vhen others have lost their lustre.

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Post by lj on 16.03.15 2:25

Jean our voice of common sense Mrs clapping

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Post by jeanmonroe on 16.03.15 2:37

fz2 wrote:

"Anyone with English literacy would understand why I used inverted commas in that post."
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I don't 'understand' (soz) no sad1

I'm just a 'thick' (soz again) bitch! daft1







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Post by fz2 on 16.03.15 2:54

@jeanmonroe wrote:fz2 wrote:

"Anyone with English literacy would understand why I used inverted commas in that post."
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I don't 'understand' (soz)    no  sad1

I'm just a 'thick' (soz again) bitch!  daft1






Your interpritation of yourself.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by plebgate on 16.03.15 3:16

@fz2

I think you are out of order criticising JeanM.    None of us are perfect so why not just stick to debate.   JeanM makes some very valid points, points which might get up the noses of some people who seem to want to disrupt.  

As you were the first to make a personal attack against a poster here, I will tell you that you need to learn to spell.   Take a look at your last post.   When you become a perfect human being I might listen to you but until that time,  why not take the advice you dished out to JeanM - button it.

I suppose we can expect these disruptions as it comes closer to an announcement from Portugal.   "Sigh"

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by Knitted on 16.03.15 3:19

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches. 


By Tania Laranjo 
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present. 
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process. 
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open". 

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html
Thank you once again for posting this news, NickE, it's very helpful.

As G-Unit has rightly questioned, and if the translation is correct in suggesting that someone from the U.K. Attorney-General's Department AND the British Ambassador were present at this meeting, it is clearly significant.

But in what way?

Suppose that the British police were just plodding on, trying to establish who the abductor was, but not having established yet who it was that took Madeleine. Would such a high-level conference really be necessary? I suggest 'NO'.

That leaves four possibilities, I think:

1. Operation Grange has finally decided who the abductor is, he is alive, and Grange wants the full co-operation of the Portuguese authorities to arrest, charge and prosecute him, or          

2. Operation Grange has finally decided who the abductor is, he is dead, and Grange want the co-operation of the Portuguese police to rubber-stamp its identification of the abductor - with a view to a press conference and formal announcement to that effect in the coming weeks or months, or    

3. The McCanns and the Tapas 7 are in the frame and exceptional measures need to be discussed as to how to bring them to justice 

4. This is a continuing cover-up at the very highest level in both the U.K. and Portugal, and they all need to get their heads together to work out how to bring this expensive charade to an end.


I still suggest that the evidence points to No. 4
I wonder if the looming General Election might have some bearing or influence on discussions and/or announcements? 

If so then this will presumably only be relevant with 'Option 3'.   If we assume Option 3 would, by definition, be suggestive of a cover-up and/or inappropriate political intervention having occurred, then this would potentially lead to the noise and rumours surfacing immediately prior to an election. I think it would therefore be a priority for Con/Lab to do all it can to avoid any possible mud flying around over the next few weeks. This is because any cover up/political intervention will no doubt implicate people from across the political spectrum so they'll probably all want the playing field to be nice and flat with no big surprises, (just like how they all closed ranks when the referendum on the precursor for Proportional Representation happened... the main parties like things to be 'predictable' and maintaining the revolving doors of the "Establishment" is the ultimate priority... regardless of the colour of the rosette).
  
So, if there's an unfathomable, unprecedented, inexplicable, bizarre delay in the court case announcement I'll be gettig down the betting shop to put my money on Option 3!!

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Post by fz2 on 16.03.15 3:23

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@fz2 wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.
Nice one, just don't give up your day job in favour of stand up comedy.

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Post by plebgate on 16.03.15 3:27

This high level meeting could be because Rocky has won the libel case and will be free to comment without fear of being sued again.

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Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

Post by lj on 16.03.15 4:15

@plebgate wrote:This high level meeting could be because Rocky has won the libel case and will be free to comment without fear of being sued again.
In which case more or repeated revelations about the undiplomatic behaviour of the diplomats might be the reason the ambassador needed to be present.

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