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The Coroner's website link for the details listed for Brenda:
http://coroners.leicester.gov.uk/current-inquests/?entryid78=582748&char=L
Says Medical Cause of Death: To be ascertained.
Final Hearing on 20th March at 10 am.
I can't find where they got the helium thing from..
http://coroners.leicester.gov.uk/current-inquests/?entryid78=582748&char=L
Says Medical Cause of Death: To be ascertained.
Final Hearing on 20th March at 10 am.
I can't find where they got the helium thing from..
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Rumour and gossip?
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We need to look at the circumstances in which Brenda left her home and booked into the hotel. Are we expected to believe that she rushed off to a hotel taking the helium and whatever else would have been needed? Did she have time to think about this before she left? Did she keep Helium in the house? Did she stop to buy it on the way to the hotel? Did the Hotel supply it? None of these scenarios seem credible. I would think that by going to the hotel, she was more likely to be running for cover than looking for a place to commit suicide. Why would anyone leave their home and book into an hotel to commit suicide?
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If I remember correctly... on Sky News... after the confrontation with Brunty and the film crew she said she had a meeting, and got into a friend's car and was driven away. Do others remember that?
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I can think of a few reasons why someone would check into an hotel to commit suicide.sharonl wrote:We need to look at the circumstances in which Brenda left her home and booked into the hotel. Are we expected to believe that she rushed off to a hotel taking the helium and whatever else would have been needed? Did she have time to think about this before she left? Did she keep Helium in the house? Did she stop to buy it on the way to the hotel? Did the Hotel supply it? None of these scenarios seem credible. I would think that by going to the hotel, she was more likely to be running for cover than looking for a place to commit suicide. Why would anyone leave their home and book into an hotel to commit suicide?
Firstly, to be found rather quickly so the person doesn't either remain in their home to rot and be eaten by maggots or scare friends who may find them.
Secondly, to leave a house and paperwork that is in order for their relatives/friends.
Thirdly, to be found very quickly and to have their pets taken care of quickly/within hours.
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comperedna wrote:If I remember correctly... on Sky News... after the confrontation with Brunty and the film crew she said she had a meeting, and got into a friend's car and was driven away. Do others remember that?
That's interesting.
Do we know who this "friend" is and how long Brenda has known him\her?
We have had friends amongst us who have turned out to be McCann supporters in disguise. Surely, this "friend" was the last person to see her alive. And, if she were going to a meeting, then she is unlikely to have been in a state of mind that would lead to her imminently taking her own life.
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From what I recall, Brenda Leyland said she was going out with a friend.sharonl wrote:comperedna wrote:If I remember correctly... on Sky News... after the confrontation with Brunty and the film crew she said she had a meeting, and got into a friend's car and was driven away. Do others remember that?
That's interesting.
Do we know who this "friend" is and how long Brenda has known him\her?
We have had friends amongst us who have turned out to be McCann supporters in disguise. Surely, this "friend" was the last person to see her alive. And, if she were going to a meeting, then she is unlikely to have been in a state of mind that would lead to her imminently taking her own life.
I simply can't believe that a weird method of suicide such as helium is a likely thing for a 63 year old woman to research/even consider.
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Suicide by helium overdose is a method advocated by online and other right to die groups as the materials needed are readily available and death can occur in less than 5 minutes.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
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whatsupdoc wrote:What a disgraceful article. I hope Brenda's relatives sue the papers.
The media don't even know what a troll is....even Prof. Green doesn't know but makes it sound really bad in order to sell papers. Having an opinion doesn't make one a troll.
First impressions, this sounds like another Dr. Kelly...an impossible suicide. I wonder if there were any items in the room to indicate this? I don't think many people would think of helium as a method for suicide.
The tweets Brenda sent did not warrant the OTT approach from Sky and the papers and the resulting death of Brenda...RIP.
I agree. Didn't Brenda tweet not long before her death that she might mysteriously disappear, or words to that effect?
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We will have to wait and see whether this information is accurate or not.
I do not know what sort of hotel Brenda stayed at, but if there is any suggestion that third parties were involved in her death, I would have thought that the hotels' CCTV security film would give an indication who visited the hotel, even if they did manage to avoid talking to any hotel staff there.Most hotels have a camera system installed.
I do not know what sort of hotel Brenda stayed at, but if there is any suggestion that third parties were involved in her death, I would have thought that the hotels' CCTV security film would give an indication who visited the hotel, even if they did manage to avoid talking to any hotel staff there.Most hotels have a camera system installed.
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Sharonl,
I believe after Brunt first confronted her she got into the car with a friend and drove off.
Some time later, may not even have been the same day, she returned and invited Brunt into her house for a chat, so the ‘friend’ was not the last known person to see her alive, that we are aware of.
I believe after Brunt first confronted her she got into the car with a friend and drove off.
Some time later, may not even have been the same day, she returned and invited Brunt into her house for a chat, so the ‘friend’ was not the last known person to see her alive, that we are aware of.
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ultimaThule wrote:Suicide by helium overdose is a method advocated by online and other right to die groups as the materials needed are readily available and death can occur in less than 5 minutes.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
You beat me to it UT. It is a common way of euthanasia without doctors help.
Also suicide in a hotel is quite common, mainly for the reasons Aquila already gave. When my daughter worked in a hotel as a student she was trained to look for signs. Very scary for a girl that young.
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Dr What wrote:We will have to wait and see whether this information is accurate or not.
I do not know what sort of hotel Brenda stayed at, but if there is any suggestion that third parties were involved in her death, I would have thought that the hotels' CCTV security film would give an indication who visited the hotel, even if they did manage to avoid talking to any hotel staff there.Most hotels have a camera system installed.
Lets just hope that its not the Rothley Court hotel where the Freemasons meet every Wednesday
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I'd never heard of this method of suicide until today. I thought a bottle of vodka and a handful of sleeping pills/paracetomol would do the job.ultimaThule wrote:Suicide by helium overdose is a method advocated by online and other right to die groups as the materials needed are readily available and death can occur in less than 5 minutes.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
I'm bewildered. I'm especially bewildered that a female would ever wish to place a bag over their head in a suicide bid.
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aquila wrote:I'd never heard of this method of suicide until today. I thought a bottle of vodka and a handful of sleeping pills/paracetomol would do the job.ultimaThule wrote:Suicide by helium overdose is a method advocated by online and other right to die groups as the materials needed are readily available and death can occur in less than 5 minutes.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
I'm bewildered. I'm especially bewildered that a female would ever wish to place a bag over their head in a suicide bid.
Why especially a female aquila?
I also hadn't heard of this method before and can't imagine putting a plastic bag over my head.
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Why especially a female?Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:aquila wrote:I'd never heard of this method of suicide until today. I thought a bottle of vodka and a handful of sleeping pills/paracetomol would do the job.ultimaThule wrote:Suicide by helium overdose is a method advocated by online and other right to die groups as the materials needed are readily available and death can occur in less than 5 minutes.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
I'm bewildered. I'm especially bewildered that a female would ever wish to place a bag over their head in a suicide bid.
Why especially a female aquila?
I also hadn't heard of this method before and can't imagine putting a plastic bag over my head.
It's because a female probably doesn't wish to deface themselves or cause shock to people/loved ones who find them/have to bury them. Females are a bit vain. Look up the difference in gender suicide.
I understand what you're saying ggs. I'm probably not explaining myself very well.
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Thank you for the explanation aquila. That makes sense.
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lj wrote:ultimaThule wrote:Suicide by helium overdose is a method advocated by online and other right to die groups as the materials needed are readily available and death can occur in less than 5 minutes.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
You beat me to it UT. It is a common way of euthanasia without doctors help.
Also suicide in a hotel is quite common, mainly for the reasons Aquila already gave. When my daughter worked in a hotel as a student she was trained to look for signs. Very scary for a girl that young.
Discovering dead bodies is not something one immediately associates with working in a hotel but, as you say lj, it's not an uncommon occurrence which can be extremely upsetting for staff.
In cases where the delivery apparatus and plastic bag are removed before the death scene is examined and no other information is available implicating helium overdose, suicide by asphyxiation due to helium inhalation may remain undetected as autopsy findings can be typically nonspecific and toxicological analysis requires special sampling and assay methods.
Instructional videos depicting the method are accessible on the internet.
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Also available are masks special made for this goal.ultimaThule wrote:lj wrote:ultimaThule wrote:Suicide by helium overdose is a method advocated by online and other right to die groups as the materials needed are readily available and death can occur in less than 5 minutes.
As far as I recall, there was a period of some 48 hours between the time Ms Leyland was doorstepped by Brunt and she was found dead.
You beat me to it UT. It is a common way of euthanasia without doctors help.
Also suicide in a hotel is quite common, mainly for the reasons Aquila already gave. When my daughter worked in a hotel as a student she was trained to look for signs. Very scary for a girl that young.
Discovering dead bodies is not something one immediately associates with working in a hotel but, as you say lj, it's not an uncommon occurrence which can be extremely upsetting for staff.
In cases where the delivery apparatus and plastic bag are removed before the death scene is examined and no other information is available implicating helium overdose, suicide by asphyxiation due to helium inhalation may remain undetected as autopsy findings can be typically nonspecific and toxicological analysis requires special sampling and assay methods.
Instructional videos depicting the method are accessible on the internet.
Not directed at you UT: Don't forget there are still many places in the world where an earlier, but peaceful, death is thought to be "killing" and desperate people look for sometimes horrific ways to end their lives. From all methods this is one of the more reliable ones and not too horrific. Pills are unreliable, especially in combination with alcohol which will make a lot of people vomit.
I don't see why a killer would choose for this method.
Having said that, even in case of a suicide, in my opinion the people who drove her to that are guilty of murder.
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Having said that, even in case of a suicide, in my opinion the people who drove her to that are guilty of murder.
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I agree.
I still don't understand why she would have taken her own life. This is such a strange story. What is really behind it?
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I agree.
I still don't understand why she would have taken her own life. This is such a strange story. What is really behind it?
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WMD wrote:The final inquest hasn't happened yet so no recording of death as taken place,so where did the star get the story from.
If true the cause of death may have been leaked, in which case I very much doubt the Coroner will be best pleased.
For some reason I can't access the Star online and as no other paper seems to have run with the story I'm wondering if this is a hoax?
Has anyone seen/bought a copy of the Star today?
@String Was the photo in your OP taken by you? If not, may I ask where you found it?
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According to this poor wretched soul it is not as easy as the Daily Star makes out.ultimaThule wrote:WMD wrote:The final inquest hasn't happened yet so no recording of death as taken place,so where did the star get the story from.
If true the cause of death may have been leaked, in which case I very much doubt the Coroner will be best pleased.
For some reason I can't access the Star online and as no other paper seems to have run with the story I'm wondering if this is a hoax?
Has anyone seen/bought a copy of the Star today?
http://suicideproject.org/2013/03/why-did-the-helium-bag-fail-help/
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All done within 48 hours?
Would that be a quick delivery of the items to do it?
Think - panic - order on the net - await delivery?
I wouldn't put the Daily Star in the outside bog.
Let's wait for the real inquest.
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There's no need to order helium canisters online - they can be bought in Asda, Tesco, Argos, etc.
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j.rob wrote:Having said that, even in case of a suicide, in my opinion the people who drove her to that are guilty of murder.
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I agree.
I still don't understand why she would have taken her own life. This is such a strange story. What is really behind it?
Look how many kids and young people commit suicide because of bullying. This is much bigger: she is threatened by a real journalist from a rather big organization and the McCann mill. She very likely knew what happened to Dr Amaral and Tony. She knew she had no chance
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