This just gone on to Daily Mail.

Ladyinred wrote:Why didn't they provide the WOC information last June?

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9708-ward-of-court-decision-issued-by-judge-in-libel-trial-june-1st-2014

WMD wrote:

After that hearing is completed, the proceedings will be suspended for 30 days. During that period, Madeleine’s parents “shall arrange for the collection and documentation in the records of the British Court’s authorization for the bringing of this action on behalf of the minor Madeleine McCann”. If they fail to do so, the defendants will be “acquitted of the proceedings concerning the requests that have been formulated on behalf of the latter”.

aiyoyo wrote:

WMD wrote:

After that hearing is completed, the proceedings will be suspended for 30 days. During that period, Madeleine’s parents “shall arrange for the collection and documentation in the records of the British Court’s authorization for the bringing of this action on behalf of the minor Madeleine McCann”. If they fail to do so, the defendants will be “acquitted of the proceedings concerning the requests that have been formulated on behalf of the latter”.

The case won't be thrown out, too late for that.
The bolded bits just mean that Madeleine's name has to be removed, just a technical procedure, that is all.
If it's to be thrown out it would have been done once the WOC issue came to light, but it proceeded nonetheless in spite of that.

Ironically Madeleine's the lion share of the claims, although it's irrelevant now since the wheel has fallen off Mcbus.  

I don't understand when the 30-days was supposed to take effect from, or why it has been dragged on until now since this was first mentioned on 1 June 2014 that the Mcs had to obtain it.

 What seems apparent is they've not produced it.  I've a feeling they wont bother now.  Aside from obvious extra legal cost I suspect the legal technicalities to arrive at it will be too complicated.  They must be aware that their chance of being strike by lightning is probably higher than winning the case hence it's just not worth their hassle even if they were to secure it, it will be futile for purpose.

It's only useful to secure it if it is going to affect payout.  Since it's very likely them who have to pay legal costs of the other side I doubt they are going to lose sleep not having that piece of documentation.  They are more worried about their day of reckoning in Spring .............

aiyoyo wrote:
I don't understand when the 30-days was supposed to take effect from, or why it has been dragged on until now since this was first mentioned on 1 June 2014 that the Mcs had to obtain it.
 

After that hearing is completed, the proceedings will be suspended for 30 days. During that period, Madeleine’s parents “shall arrange for the collection and documentation in the records of the British Court’s authorization for the bringing of this action on behalf of the minor Madeleine McCann”. If they fail to do so, the defendants will be “acquitted of the proceedings concerning the requests that have been formulated on behalf of the latter”.

The judge has proposed the date of 16th June for the final session, but each of the lawyers involved have the possibility of declining said date and suggesting alternative dates.

Ladyinred wrote:Good to read the rags have dropped the "disgraced" over the past few days.  Things are changing...

woodforthetrees wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:Good to read the rags have dropped the "disgraced" over the past few days.  Things are changing...

Only in a media coverage aspect, i.e they are being cautious not to libel Amaral at the moment, they don't want any more embarrassing payouts.

In an ideal world it would be great to be thinking "this must mean that Amaral was right with his theory, SY will crumble, then agree and the McCanns will subsequently be found guilty" but in the real world, the only thing that this changes is that they don't get their hands on the £1m and Amaral can continue to sell his book, which may sway more public opinion.

SY have not and will not be pursuing the McCanns as supects. The only hope of this is if the Portuguese police find new evidence against them to bring them back in, but as yet, this hasn't happened.

Unfortunately.

ScarletLaw wrote:

woodforthetrees wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:Good to read the rags have dropped the "disgraced" over the past few days.  Things are changing...

Only in a media coverage aspect, i.e they are being cautious not to libel Amaral at the moment, they don't want any more embarrassing payouts.

In an ideal world it would be great to be thinking "this must mean that Amaral was right with his theory, SY will crumble, then agree and the McCanns will subsequently be found guilty" but in the real world, the only thing that this changes is that they don't get their hands on the £1m and Amaral can continue to sell his book, which may sway more public opinion.

SY have not and will not be pursuing the McCanns as supects. The only hope of this is if the Portuguese police find new evidence against them to bring them back in, but as yet, this hasn't happened.

Unfortunately.

I read somewhere that the new Portugese investigation is not pursuing the McCanns as suspects and I feel with political influence that has happened behind the scenes, nothing will happen there. I think this will be like Diana; a case where we all know what happened, and there will be lots of books and documentaries with various theories but Scotland Yard will cover it up and not bring a case against them. I am hoping though investigative journalists from one of the broad sheets might go for it one day because it is a story that people can make a career on. I noticed on the Mail they're letting the avoidance of a lie detection test comments come through and there was someone mentioning that Kate refused to help with the questioning though, and that gives me a glimmer of hope that things are changing a little because up to now they've suppressed these coming on.

endgame wrote:It may well be that the court has already made a decision [it wouldn't be public] and the Mcs have not owned up or that the court cannot simply transfer the ability to act on Madeleine's behalf and would have to become a joint party to the action themselves [and they not the Mcs would receive any money paid for M!]. In which case they would become liable to costs and all kinds of other consequences. If they have spent more than 5 minutes looking at the case and have a half a brain cell, they would have opted out long ago.

What I don't understand is why the judge apparently keeps giving them 30 days. IIRC this is the third time they have been given the 30 days. If they failed first time, the Madeleine element should have automatically been struck out unless there were serious extenuating circumstances.

woodforthetrees wrote:

ScarletLaw wrote:

woodforthetrees wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:Good to read the rags have dropped the "disgraced" over the past few days.  Things are changing...

Only in a media coverage aspect, i.e they are being cautious not to libel Amaral at the moment, they don't want any more embarrassing payouts.

In an ideal world it would be great to be thinking "this must mean that Amaral was right with his theory, SY will crumble, then agree and the McCanns will subsequently be found guilty" but in the real world, the only thing that this changes is that they don't get their hands on the £1m and Amaral can continue to sell his book, which may sway more public opinion.

SY have not and will not be pursuing the McCanns as supects. The only hope of this is if the Portuguese police find new evidence against them to bring them back in, but as yet, this hasn't happened.

Unfortunately.

I read somewhere that the new Portugese investigation is not pursuing the McCanns as suspects and I feel with political influence that has happened behind the scenes, nothing will happen there. I think this will be like Diana; a case where we all know what happened, and there will be lots of books and documentaries with various theories but Scotland Yard will cover it up and not bring a case against them. I am hoping though investigative journalists from one of the broad sheets might go for it one day because it is a story that people can make a career on. I noticed on the Mail they're letting the avoidance of a lie detection test comments come through and there was someone mentioning that Kate refused to help with the questioning though, and that gives me a glimmer of hope that things are changing a little because up to now they've suppressed these coming on.

IMO the only political influence/help has been to cover up the neglect from the McCanns and the tapas group. If the gvt or senior police officials wanted to close it down to turn off the spotlight, they would have done so a long time ago, not dragged it out. Something (of which we do not know, other than keeping OG staff in jobs) is keeping the investigation going.

Even an investigative journalist can't turn the tables on this. The only things that can are:

- Confession by the guilty suspect
- Madeleine's body discovered which gives away DNA clues
- An ex OG/SY person provides the public with whatever incriminating evidence they have in their internal case files (which justify the on-going search for the perp).

I agree, it will never get 'closed', there are too many people/mistakes/theories and subsequent dodgy activities that happened post event that need covering up for everyone. It's simply too big to clean up. This is regardless of who is guilty of the crime that should be being focused on... who killed and took Madeleine from the apartment.

Doug D wrote:Isn’t it good to read the bollocks in The Mail:
 
‘the disgraced former detective’
 
‘Portuguese papers signalled the outcome of last Wednesday’s hearing as a positive one for heart specialist Gerry and Kate moments after it finished.
But as the full findings became apparent they changed their tune to portray the judge’s rulings as a slap in the face for the couple.’
 
Clearly not the reliable English papers though (duh! Express?) And it’s the papers that are blamed for the story, when we are reliably informed by Anne Guedes that there were no reporters in Court and the three 'outside' people in the courtroom were not given direct access to the Judges ‘facts’.
 
‘No date has been set yet for the final judgement in the libel case. The judgement will be read out in court before being released in writing on the same day.
A source close to the McCanns said last night: ‘We expect it to be ready for next month.’
 
CM not in complete hiding then!


eta. Just re-reading:

'The judgement will be read out in court before being released in writing on the same day.'


I don't think that's right either.

McCann cop claims couple will lose £1m libel case against him
THE former Portuguese cop who accused Madeleine McCann’s parents of covering up her death said he expects them to lose their £1million libel battle against him.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 26th January 2015
LEGAL BATTLE: Kate and Gerry McCann allege that Mr Amaral's book is libellous [AP]
Goncalo Amaral, 57, said early rulings by the judge in the case suggested her verdict may be 'favourable' to him.

Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry, both 46, claim the ex-cop's controversial book about the then-three-year-old's disappearance in 2007 left them devastated.
In his book and a follow-up TV documentary Mr Amaral said he suspected the youngster had died in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and accused the couple of hiding the tragedy.
“She said it was not proven they would suffer 'permanent anguish, insomnia, lack of appetite and an indefinable fear'”
Kate spent 55 minutes detailing to the court in Portugal's capital Lisbon the distress she said his claims had caused.
But the couple's chances of pocketing a big pay-out appear to be dashed after the judge gave a crushing preliminary ruling.
Judge Maria Emilia Melo e Castro said she did not find the couple had been 'completely destroyed' from a 'moral, ethical and family point of view' as a result of the book.
She said it was not proven they would suffer 'permanent anguish, insomnia, lack of appetite and an indefinable fear'.
The judge said this psychological state existed before the publication of Mr Amaral's The Truth Of The Lie.
She said it was normal for the couple to be affected by the book and they would have 'felt badly' over allegations by Mr Amaral that they hid their daughter's body.
But she said it was not possible to determine what most people would have thought after reading Mr Amaral's theories.
The McCanns have claimed Mr Amaral's assertion their daughter is dead stopped people looking for her.
The judge said she was satisfied some facts in the book came from official Portuguese police files - though others did not.
She is due to give her final ruling next month.
Mr Amaral, who is now retired, told Portuguese TV her indications so far led him to believe he would win the case.
He said he wrote the book to defend the initial police probe into Madeleine's disappearance which he led for four months before being axed after accusing Brit detectives of siding with the McCanns.
The McCanns' lawyer Isabel Duarte was unavailable for comment on the judge's initial findings.

noseyparker wrote:Yea like when they were coming out of the church on what would have been Madeleine,s 4th birthday they really looked pained and depressed r

aiyoyo wrote:Not only that.  The MSM newspapers are not doing them any favour by stating it as a 'libel" case and repeating the libel - that Maddie died in the apt and her parents were involved etc....

Can't blame the press really as it is what the Mcs been telling the press all along.
They are hanged by their own silly game.They spined their own reputation demise.

I wonder if they are going to sue the MSM outlets for causing them pain, insomnia, depression etc for repeating the Court proceedings?  Amaral was sued for repeating the investigation process.

sammyc wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html

Apologies if this has already been posted, I have been having a quick look through different topics and haven't seen it yet.

Joss wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:Not only that.  The MSM newspapers are not doing them any favour by stating it as a 'libel" case and repeating the libel - that Maddie died in the apt and her parents were involved etc....

Can't blame the press really as it is what the Mcs been telling the press all along.
They are hanged by their own silly game.They spined their own reputation demise.

I wonder if they are going to sue the MSM outlets for causing them pain, insomnia, depression etc for repeating the Court proceedings?  Amaral was sued for repeating the investigation process.

So would the correct term for the Trial be specifically a "Damages Trial"? For any pain & suffering to the McC's because of the book & Documentary? Surely they must of known as parents of a missing child that the police would investigate them first to rule out any foul play by the parents? This is usually what happens in most missing child cases to my knowledge. And as to who last saw the child alive. Investigators can only go by forensic and other evidence they have to try and decipher what could possibly have happened. And most high profile cases of missing children have a cloak of suspicion on the parents, until more information is revealed to possibly rule them out. And most innocent parents would do all in their power to help the police and investigating authorities to help locate their child, not hinder an investigation and sue a lead investigator in their case that was there to help them.
But i think as we all know by now everything the McC's have done appears to be for their own reputation and name, first & foremost, and shut anyone up that sees them in a negative way. And what does that say about them as parents of a missing child? Not much, IMO.