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The price of laughter in Paris

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Re: The price of laughter in Paris

Post by aiyoyo on 09.01.15 22:14

Pas Peur. Moi assui, je suis un Charlie!
 
Avez-vous par hasard vu le caricuture , celle-là sur Mohamet - une étoile est née ?

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Re: The price of laughter in Paris

Post by Knitted on 09.01.15 23:38

People are fickle. Like 'Boiling Frogs' we don't realise when we (and thus our freedoms) are being killed.

(i) Here's a free, open and fair society (Iran 1972) 
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(ii) Here's what happens when Liberal values 'try too hard to please everyone' (and miss the point about TRUE freedom) and the effing religious nutters take over...(Iran 1979)
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(iii) ..and here's the outcome. (20th Century to date)... 
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Re: The price of laughter in Paris

Post by loopzdaloop on 10.01.15 0:32

@aquila wrote:Creating conspiracy theories is of no use to man nor beast.

Some people believe the 9/11 attacks were politically manufactured. I say pfft to that - and I've read the theories.

Some people want to see conspiracy in everything.

Some people can't accept that there are evil religious zealots who just commit murder and acts of terrorism.

Creating conspiracy theories let's them off the hook.

I don't see anyone committing atrocious acts of terrorism in Europe other than Islamic fundamentalists. Is it to be said that they are in the 'pay' of politicians? really? all of them?

Were the IRA in the 'pay' of the UK government when they bombed my city - twice?

Perhaps I'm naiive but I'd like to grasp hold of a thread of humanity.

Apologies, but I find what's happened in France totally depressing and my heart aches for the people involved.

I mean this respectfully, but the majority of these are true. Starting with the IRA and working backwards, the IRA leadership was protected by the British Government. With regard to our terrorists... well


http://newint.org/features/2009/10/01/blowback-extended-version/
Islamic fundamentalist militants are the enemies of Israel and Western governments, right? Think again. Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed reports.
Once upon a time, the CIA trained, financed and supported Osama bin Laden and his mujahidin networks in Afghanistan to repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. After the end of the Cold War, bin Laden turned against the West and we no longer had any use for him. His persistent terrorist attacks against us for more than a decade, culminating in 9/11, provoked our own response, in the form of the ‘War on Terror’. This is the official narrative. And it’s false. Not only did Western intelligence services continue to foster Islamist extremist and terrorist groups connected to al-Qaeda after the Cold War; they continued to do so even after 9/11.

The CIA’s jihad

The story begins in the summer of 1979, six months before the Soviet invasion, when the CIA had already begun financing elements of an emerging Islamist mujahidin force inside Afghanistan. The idea, according to former US National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski and former CIA Director Robert Gates, was to increase the probability of a Soviet invasion, and entrap ‘the Soviets into a Vietnamese quagmire’.1
Osama bin Laden arrived in the country later that year, sent by then-Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal, where he set up the Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK) which helped finance, recruit and train mujahidin fighters.2 Bin Laden, the MAK, and the Afghan mujahidin in total received about half a billion dollars a year from the CIA, and roughly the same from the Saudis, funnelled through Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI).3
By around 1988, as Jane’s Defence Weekly reports, ‘with US knowledge, Bin Laden created al-Qaeda (The Base): a conglomerate of quasi-independent Islamic terrorist cells spread across at least 26 countries’.4 US and Western intelligence agencies facilitated this process, seeing rightwing Islamist movements as a counterweight to Communist, leftwing and nationalist political trends. They supported the Saudis and other Gulf states, as well as Pakistan, Turkey and Azerbaijan among others, in proliferating Islamist extremist institutions in far-flung countries such as Algeria, Yemen, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Funding for these activities was intertwined with the establishment of organized criminal financial centres in Malaysia, Madagascar, South Africa, Nigeria, Latin America, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Turkestan, and elsewhere.5

Islamism and the CIA’s destabilization doctrine

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, and in particular in 1991 when the Saudis accepted the stationing of 300,000 US troops in the country due to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Osama bin Laden reportedly turned against his former masters in Riyadh and Washington. Since then, bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist network became our enemy, targeting Western citizens and interests throughout the 1990s, culminating in the most devastating strike of all in the form of the 9/11 atrocities in the US.
Unfortunately, this is where the official story begins to break down. Because after 1991, Islamists affiliated to bin Laden and al-Qaeda continued to receive selective support from Western intelligence services. The policy was alluded to by Graham Fuller, former Deputy Director of the CIA’s National Council on Intelligence, when he stated: ‘The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvellously well in Afghanistan against the Red Army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia.’6

Afghanistan, Big Oil and the Taliban

Throughout the 1990s, the selective US intelligence sponsorship of Islamist extremist networks was linked not simply to destabilizing potential Russian and Chinese influence, but further to securing US-led Western control over strategic energy reserves. When bin Laden moved from Sudan to Afghanistan in June 1996, the State Department warned that the move ‘could prove more dangerous to US interests’, granting him ‘the capability to support individuals and groups who have the motive and wherewithal to attack US interests almost worldwide’.7 He had been offered protection by Pakistan in May on condition that he align his mujahidin forces with the Taliban. The new al-Qaeda-Taliban alliance was reportedly blessed by the Saudis.8
Yet as the respected Pakistani correspondent Ahmed Rashid reported, US intelligence supported the Taliban as a vehicle of regional influence at least between 1994 and 1998. This policy continued up to the year 2000, despite growing cautions. Thus, when the Taliban conquered Kabul in 1996, a State Department spokesperson explained that the US found ‘nothing objectionable’ in the event. One year later, a US diplomat commented: ‘The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis… There will be Aramco (consortium of oil companies controlling Saudi oil), pipelines, an emir, no parliament and lots of Sharia law. We can live with that.’9
Continued US sponsorship of the al-Qaeda-Taliban nexus in Afghanistan was confirmed as late as 2000 in Congressional hearings. Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on South Asia, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher – former White House Special Assistant to President Reagan and now Senior Member of the House International Relations Committee – declared that ‘this administration has a covert policy that has empowered the Taliban and enabled this brutal movement to hold on to power’. The assumption is that ‘the Taliban would bring stability to Afghanistan and permit the building of oil pipelines from Central Asia through Afghanistan to Pakistan’.10 US companies involved in the project included UNOCAL and ENRON. As early as May 1996, UNOCAL had officially announced plans to build a pipeline to transport natural gas from Turkmenistan to Pakistan through western Afghanistan.
US officials held several meetings with the Taliban from 2000 to summer 2001, in an effort to get the Taliban to agree to a joint federal government with their local enemies, the Northern Alliance, promising financial aid and international legitimacy if the deal was struck. By then, US policymakers had belatedly concluded that the Taliban would never bring the stability needed for the pipeline project. According to Pakistani Foreign Minister Niaz Naik, who was present at the meetings, US officials threatened the Taliban with military action if they failed to comply with the federalization plan. Even the date of threatened military action, October 2001, was proposed. Needless to say, the Taliban rejected the plan.11 So months before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a war on Afghanistan was already on the table. Jean-Charles Brisard, a former French intelligence officer, thus speculates that 9/11 may have been a pre-emptive attack by al-Qaeda to head off the declared US military invasion of Afghanistan.12
There is still keen interest in the pipeline. ‘Since the US-led offensive that ousted the Taliban from power,’ reported Forbes in 2005, ‘the project has been revived and drawn strong US support’ as it would allow the Central Asian republics to export energy to Western markets ‘without relying on Russian routes’. Then-US Ambassador to Turkmenistan Ann Jacobsen noted that: ‘We are seriously looking at the project, and it is quite possible that American companies will join it.’13 The problem remains that the southern section of the proposed pipeline runs through territory still de facto controlled by Taliban forces.

Mega Oil and mujahidin from the Balkans to the Caucasus

Unfortunately, we now know that US flirtations with the al-Qaeda-Taliban nexus in Afghanistan throughout the 1990s were only one moment in a much wider covert US geostrategy to secure control over strategic energy resources across the Eurasian continent, by co-opting Islamist networks affiliated with bin Laden.
In 1991, the first Bush Administration wanted an oil pipeline from Azerbaijan, across the Caucasus, to Turkey. That year, three US Air Force officers, Richard Secord (a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs), Heinie Aderholt and Ed Dearborn, landed in Baku, and set up a front company, ‘MEGA Oil’. They were veterans of previous CIA covert operations in Laos and later with Lt. Col. Oliver North’s Contra scandal. In Azerbaijan, they setup an airline to secretly fly hundreds of al-Qaeda mujahidin from Afghanistan into Azerbaijan. By 1993, MEGA Oil had recruited and armed 2,000 mujahidin, converting Baku into a base for regional jihadi operations.14
The covert operation contributed to the military coup that toppled elected president Abulfaz Elchibey that year, and installed US puppet Heidar Aliyev. A secret Turkish intelligence report leaked to the Sunday Times confirmed that ‘two petrol giants, BP and Amoco, British and American respectively, which together form the AIOC (Azerbaijan International Oil Consortium), are behind the coup d’état.15
From 1992 to 1995, the Pentagon flew thousands of al-Qaeda mujahidin from Central Asia into Europe, to fight alongside Bosnian Muslims against the Serbs. The mujahidin were ‘accompanied by US Special Forces equipped with high-tech communications equipment,’ according to intelligence sources. Bin Laden’s mercenaries were used as shock troops by the Pentagon ‘to coordinate and support Bosnian Muslim offensives’.16
The pattern continued in Kosovo, where ethnic violence broke out between Albanians and Serbs. In 1998, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was listed by the State Department as a terrorist organization financed by bin Laden and the heroin trade. Bin Laden had sent a senior lieutenant, Muhammed al-Zawahiri (brother of al-Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri), to lead an élite KLA unit during the Kosovo conflict. He had direct radio contact with NATO leadership. Indeed, British SAS and American Delta Force instructors were training KLA fighters as early as 1996. The CIA supplied military assistance up to and during the 1999 bombing campaign, including military training manuals and field advice, under the cover of OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) ceasefire monitors.17
After the Kosovo War, when the KLA switched operations to Macedonia under the banner of the National Liberation Army (NLA), its links with al-Qaeda were as strong as ever according to US, Macedonian, Albanian and Yugoslav intelligence sources. Yet by 2001, Canadian military correspondent Scott Taylor reported after a visit to Tetovo that ‘there is no denying the massive amount of material and expertise supplied by NATO to the guerrillas’.18
So why the Balkans? Gen. Sir Mike Jackson, then-commander of NATO troops in the region, summed it up in 1999: ‘We will certainly stay here for a long time in order to guarantee the safety of the energy corridors which cross Macedonia.’ The General was talking about the Trans-Balkan pipeline passing through Bulgaria, Macedonia and Albania, planned to be a primary route to the West for Central Asian oil and gas.19
Around the same time, US intelligence stepped up sponsorship of al-Qaeda mujahidin in Chechnya. Chechnya is traditionally a predominantly Sufi society, yet the increasing encroachment of US-sponsored mujahidin operatives linked to Osama bin Laden transformed the character of the Chechen resistance movement, empowering al-Qaeda’s hardline Islamist ideology. US intelligence ties had been established in the early 1990s in Baku under Dick Secord’s operation, where mujahidin activities had quickly extended into Dagestan and Chechnya, turning Baku into a shipping point for Afghan heroin to the Chechen mafia.20
From the mid-1990s, bin Laden funded Chechen guerrilla leaders Shamil Basayev and Omar ibn al-Khattab to the tune of several millions of dollars per month, sidelining the moderate Chechen majority.21 US intelligence remained deeply involved until the end of the decade. According to Yossef Bodanksy, then-Director of the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, Washington was actively involved in ‘yet another anti-Russian jihad, ‘seeking to support and empower the most virulent anti-Western Islamist forces’. US Government officials participated in ‘a formal meeting in Azerbaijan’ in December 1999 ‘in which specific programmes for the training and equipping of mujahidin from the Caucasus, Central/South Asia and the Arab world were discussed and agreed upon’, culminating in ‘Washington’s tacit encouragement of both Muslim allies (mainly Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia) and US “private security companies”… to assist the Chechens and their Islamist allies to surge in the spring of 2000 and sustain the ensuing jihad for a long time.’ The US saw the sponsorship of ‘Islamist jihad in the Caucasus’ as a way to ‘deprive Russia of a viable pipeline route through spiralling violence and terrorism’.22

Algeria – state terrorism in disguise

Parallel covert operations were deployed in the same period in Algeria, where the army cancelled national democratic elections in 1992 that would have brought the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) to power in a landslide victory. Tens of thousands of FIS voters were rounded up into detention camps in the Sahara, while the FIS and other Islamist political parties were banned. Not long after the coup, hundreds of civilians were being mysteriously massacred by an unknown terrorist group, identified by the Algerian junta as a radical offshoot of the FIS calling itself the Armed Islamic Group (GIA). The GIA was formed largely of Algerian veterans of bin Laden’s mujahidin forces in Afghanistan who had returned in the late 1980s.23 To date, the total death toll from the massacres by the GIA is an estimated 150,000 civilians.24
Yet in the late 1990s, evidence began to emerge from dissident Algerian Government and intelligence sources that the GIA atrocities were in fact perpetrated by the state. ‘Yussuf-Joseph’, a career secret agent in Algeria’s sécurité militaire for 14 years, defected to Britain in 1997 and told the Guardian that civilian massacres in Algeria, blamed on the GIA, were ‘the work of secret police and army death squads… not Islamic extremists’. GIA terrorism was ‘orchestrated’ by ‘Mohammed Mediane, head of the Algerian secret service’, and ‘General Smain Lamari’, head of ‘the counter intelligence agency’. According to Joseph: ‘The GIA is a pure product of Smain’s secret service. I used to read all the secret telexes. I know that the GIA has been infiltrated and manipulated by the Government. The GIA has been completely turned by the Government… In 1992 Smain created a special group, L’Escadron de la Mort (the Squadron of Death)… The death squads organize the massacres… The FIS aren’t doing the massacres.’
Joseph also confirmed that Algerian intelligence agents organized ‘at least’ two of the bombs in Paris in summer 1995. ‘The operation was run by Colonel Souames Mahmoud, alias Habib, head of the secret service at the Algerian embassy in Paris.’ Joseph’s testimony has been corroborated by numerous defectors from the Algerian secret services.25
Western intelligence agencies are implicated. Secret British Foreign Office documents revealed in a terrorist trial in 2000 showed that ‘British intelligence believed the Algerian Government was involved in atrocities, contradicting the view the Government was claiming in public’. The documents referred to the ‘manipulation of the GIA being used as a cover to carry out their own operations’, and that ‘there was no evidence to link 1995 Paris bombings to Algerian militants’.26
Algeria has the fifth largest reserves of natural gas in the world, and is the second largest gas exporter, with 130 trillion proven natural gas reserves. It ranks fourteenth for oil reserves, with official estimates at 9.2 billion barrels. Approximately 90 per cent of Algeria’s crude oil exports go to Western Europe, including Britain, France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands, and Spain. Algeria’s major trading partners are Italy, France, the United States, Germany, and Spain.
Currently, the militant Algerian splinter group, the al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb – formerly known as the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC) – plays a predominant role in regional terrorist violence. Yet in a series of extensive analyses for the Review of African Political Economy, social anthropologist Dr Jeremy Keenan – Director of Sahara Studies at the University of East Anglia – documents ‘an increasing amount of evidence to suggest that the alleged spread of terrorist activities across much of the Sahelian Sahara, has indeed been an elaborate deception on the part of US and Algerian military intelligence services’. He discusses evidence that an al-Qaeda hostage-taking of European tourists in early 2003 ‘was initiated and orchestrated by elements within the Algerian military establishment’, an operation ‘condoned by the US’, and that al-Qaeda leader Ammar Saifi (also known as Abderazzak El Para, or ‘the Maghreb’s bin Laden’) ‘was “turned” by the Algerian security forces in January 2003’.27
Energy hegemony is a key priority. Reported al-Qaeda activity in North Africa has focused on oil-rich nations, particularly the Niger Delta, Nigeria, and Chad. Thus, in July 2003, Keenan reports, under US auspices Algeria, Chad, Niger and Nigeria ‘signed a co-operation agreement on counter-terrorism that effectively joined the two oil-rich sides of the Sahara together in a complex of security arrangements whose architecture is American’. This has now evolved into the $500 million Trans-Sahara Counterterrorism Initiative, in which Algeria plays a pivotal role in US plans for future regional military deployment. The region-wide security arrangement coincides with the inauguration of a $6 billion World Bank project, the Chad-Cameroon oil pipeline.28

Islamist extremism and the Israeli connection

Curiously, Israel has played a key role in some of these policies, starting with the involvement of Congressman Charlie Wilson, who used his position in the House Select Committee on Intelligence, gained with the support of then Senator Dick Cheney, to ramp up billions of dollars’ worth of support for both Israel and the Afghan mujahidin.29 Gust Avracotos, the CIA’s Station Chief in Islamabad, commented that Wilson brought ‘the Israelis into the CIA’s Muslim jihad’, opening opportunities for Mossad penetration of the ISI and al-Qaeda and securing Israeli arms contracts and intelligence ties with Pakistan.30
Closer to home, Israel played a very similar game in its ambiguous relationship to Hamas. US Government and intelligence sources confirm that Israel provided direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas in the late 1970s as a counterbalance to the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO).31 According to the Israeli military affairs experts Ze’ev Schiff and Ehud Ya’ari, at the time of the first Intifadah, Fatah ‘suspected the Israelis of a plot first to let Hamas gather strength and then to unleash it against the PLO, turning the uprising into a civil war… many Israeli staff officers believed that the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza could be exploited to weaken the power of the PLO’.32
Israeli support for Hamas reportedly continued even after the signing of the Oslo accords in 1993, during the period of some of the worst suicide bombings.33 Even the late Palestinian Authority (PA) President Yassir Arafat said in 2001 that Hamas ‘continued to benefit from permits and authorizations, while we have been limited, even [for permits] to build a tomato factory… Some collaborationists of Israel are involved in these [terrorist] attacks.’34
Indeed, there are indications that the Israeli assassination of Hamas leader Abu Hanoud in November 2001 was a ploy to provoke more terror bombings. Three months earlier, the Israeli Insider reported Ariel Sharon’s plan for an all-out attack on the PA to permanently destroy its infrastructure, noting that the plan would only ‘be launched immediately following the next high-casualty suicide bombing’ – which was later provoked by Israel’s extrajudicial killing of Hanoud. As Israeli military security analyst Alex Fishman noted: ‘Whoever gave a green light to this act of liquidation knew full well that he was thereby shattering in one blow the gentleman’s agreement between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. Under that agreement, Hamas was to avoid in the near future suicide bombings inside the Green Line (pre-1967 border), having come to the understanding that it would be better not to play into Israel’s hands by mass attacks on its population centres. This understanding was, however, shattered by the assassination the day before yesterday – and whoever decided upon the liquidation of Abu knew in advance that that would be the price. The subject had been extensively discussed both by the military and the political echelon, before it was decided to carry out the liquidation.’35
Elements of the Israeli far-right, including senior cabinet officials, recognized that the plan to destroy the PA would facilitate the rise of Hamas. In an Israeli Cabinet meeting in December 2001, for instance, one minister declared: ‘Between Hamas and Arafat, I prefer Hamas.’ He added that Arafat is a ‘terrorist in a diplomat’s suit, while Hamas can be hit unmercifully… there won’t be any international protests’.36

Ties with terror

Islamist terrorism cannot be understood without acknowledging the extent to which its networks are being used by Western military intelligence services, both to control strategic energy resources and to counter their geopolitical rivals. Even now, nearly a decade after 9/11, covert sponsorship of al-Qaeda networks continues. In recent dispatches for the New Yorker, investigative journalist Seymour Hersh cites US Government and intelligence officials’ confirmation that the CIA and the Pentagon have funnelled millions of dollars via Saudi Arabia to al-Qaeda affiliated Sunni extremist groups, across the Middle East and Central Asia. The policy, which Hersh says began in 2003, has spilled over into regions like Iraq and Lebanon, fuelling Sunni-Shi’a sectarian conflict.37 The programme is part of a drive to counter Iranian Shi’a influence in the region. In early 2008, a US Presidential Finding to Congress corroborated Hersh’s reporting, affirming CIA funding worth $400 million to diverse anti-Shi’a extremist and terrorist groups. This was not contested by any Democratic members of the House.38 Now, President Obama has retained Bush’s Defense Secretary, Robert Gates, as his own. Yet Gates was the architect of the covert strategy against Iran. To date, Obama has given no indication that this strategy will change. The history outlined here throws into doubt our entire understanding of the ‘war on terror’. How can we fight a war against an enemy that our own governments are covertly financing for short-sighted geopolitical interests?
If the ‘war on terror’ is to end, it won’t be won by fighting the next futile oil war. It will be won at home by holding the secretive structures of government to account and prosecuting officials for aiding and abetting terrorism – whether knowingly or by criminal negligence. Ultimately only this will rein in the ‘security’ agencies that foster the ‘enemy’ we are supposed to be fighting.
Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed is Executive Director of the Institute for Policy Research and Development. His latest book is The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry (Duckworth, 2006).
This is an extended version of the article which appeared in the October 2009 issue of NIIslam in Power.

- See more at: http://newint.org/features/2009/10/01/blowback-extended-version/#sthash.RtRf7q0Y.dpuf


Can I also recommend that you read the book Shock Doctrine by Naomi Kleine

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Re: The price of laughter in Paris

Post by aiyoyo on 10.01.15 0:45


French President Francois Hollande described the events as "a tragedy for the nation".
"Those who committed these acts, these fanatics, have nothing to do with the Muslim faith."
Meanwhile, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said there had been a "clear failing" in French intelligence.
"If 17 people die, this means mistakes have been made," he said, including those killed in attacks on Wednesday and Thursday in the toll.

Analysis: Frank Gardner, BBC security correspondent
Police stormed the Vincennes supermarket on Friday evening
The actions of France's highly trained GIGN counter-terrorist police brought a swift end to a crisis that began 53 hours earlier with the armed raid on the Paris magazine Charlie Hebdo.
But a number of important questions remain. Was this attack planned and orchestrated from abroad and if so by whom? Is there any credence to claims made by the gunmen before they died that they were linked to al-Qaeda in Yemen and to Islamic State, two sometimes competing organisations? And what was the real target here, Charlie Hebdo or the entire French nation?
Questions are already being asked of French police and intelligence about how the two Kouachi brothers, well-known for their extremist views and already on US and European no-fly watchlists, were left free to acquire assault rifles and carry out the murderous raid on 7 January.
AQAP senior leader Sheikh Harith al-Nadhari said "some in France have misbehaved with the prophets of God," adding that "God's faithful soldiers" had taught them "the limits of freedom of speech".
Did the French Intelligence Service fail Charlie Weekly?

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Re: The price of laughter in Paris

Post by ultimaThule on 10.01.15 4:37

Multiple failures on the part of intelligence and security services look likely, aiyoyo. as does at least one of these attacks being Al Qaeda's response to Operation Burkhane.    

I'd like know what steps were taken to vary Charb's daily routine and why were editorial meetings held each morning in a building which, as far as can be ascertained. did not have an armed guard on the door or a safe room to which staff could retreat at the first sign/sound of trouble?

So many questions need to be answered and all we can be sure of at the present time is that, having spectacularly failed to limit freedom of speech, Satan's 'faithful soldiers' met their inglorious end on a day sacred to the Gods of Islam and Judaism, neither of whom are known for dispensing mercy and forgiveness to those who displease them.    .

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Re: The price of laughter in Paris

Post by Knitted on 10.01.15 5:26

@ultimaThule wrote:Multiple failures on the part of intelligence and security services look likely, aiyoyo. as does at least one of these attacks being Al Qaeda's response to Operation Burkhane.    

I'd like know what steps were taken to vary Charb's daily routine and why were editorial meetings held each morning in a building which, as far as can be ascertained. did not have an armed guard on the door or a safe room to which staff could retreat at the first sign/sound of trouble?

So many questions need to be answered and all we can be sure of at the present time is that, having spectacularly failed to limit freedom of speech, Satan's 'faithful soldiers' met their inglorious end on a day sacred to the Gods of Islam and Judaism, neither of whom are known for dispensing mercy and forgiveness to those who displease them.    .
Good questions... However, Humans are intrinsically creatures of habit and, over time, inevitably 'feel safe'.

20 odd years ago I used to be an Area Manager for a particular company. One day one of my branches was robbed. The manager had ignored all of the security protocols we drum into them. As a consequence 2 mins after closing time he was robbed. He hadn't locked his inner steel security door. Two blokes barged in. Amongst a hail of blows from baseball bats he'd (luckily) managed to get a tip of a finger to his safe door and slammed the safe shut. I visited him in hospital at his bedside that evening and said to him "You do realise if they'd cleared your safe out you'd have had to pay every single penny back 'coz it would have been your fault?". He said "Yes...I know. You bastards are the Gestapo", (he'd been robbed years via a dawn raid and had been made to pay it all back).  Next day he re-opened. To provide moral support I thought I'd be there at closing time to check he was OK. I managed to walk in. I walked past his wide-open steel security door and I stood in front of his wide-open safe... full of bundles of cash.  I could have been another robber. I could have even helped myself and walked out and he'd have been none the wiser!!  When he saw me, some seconds later, he jumped out of his skin. You'd have thought... considering he still had a stitched forehead and covered in bruises... he'd have learned his lesson from what had happened just a day before. But no, we are creatures of habit. It's what makes us Human. (Oh the tales I can tell of wide open safes and wide open front doors over Xmas weekends after the office Xmas party!!...and also of people being robbed on a Monday and then robbed by the exact same robbers, at the exact same time, the very next day, saying exactly the same thing t the terrified (but none the wiser) clerks!!).

The reason I mention this is not remotely to suggest any culpability regarding this week's events from the people at Charlie Hebdo, nor the Protection Officer. It is simply to suggest that us Humans love to be free and we try to live lives that are not controlled by fear. No matter the risk, we often (as the above examples show) think "it won't happen to me"... The people at Charlie Hebdo I don't think could have maintained varying their routines every single day, every week, every month, year in and year out. To do so would have been unnatural and inhuman. Indeed, to do so would have kow-towed to the fear caused by (very) small minority of (fucking) bastards.

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Re: The price of laughter in Paris

Post by Joss on 10.01.15 7:01

@Knitted wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:Multiple failures on the part of intelligence and security services look likely, aiyoyo. as does at least one of these attacks being Al Qaeda's response to Operation Burkhane.    

I'd like know what steps were taken to vary Charb's daily routine and why were editorial meetings held each morning in a building which, as far as can be ascertained. did not have an armed guard on the door or a safe room to which staff could retreat at the first sign/sound of trouble?

So many questions need to be answered and all we can be sure of at the present time is that, having spectacularly failed to limit freedom of speech, Satan's 'faithful soldiers' met their inglorious end on a day sacred to the Gods of Islam and Judaism, neither of whom are known for dispensing mercy and forgiveness to those who displease them.    .
Good questions... However, Humans are intrinsically creatures of habit and, over time, inevitably 'feel safe'.

20 odd years ago I used to be an Area Manager for a particular company. One day one of my branches was robbed. The manager had ignored all of the security protocols we drum into them. As a consequence 2 mins after closing time he was robbed. He hadn't locked his inner steel security door. Two blokes barged in. Amongst a hail of blows from baseball bats he'd (luckily) managed to get a tip of a finger to his safe door and slammed the safe shut. I visited him in hospital at his bedside that evening and said to him "You do realise if they'd cleared your safe out you'd have had to pay every single penny back 'coz it would have been your fault?". He said "Yes...I know. You bastards are the Gestapo", (he'd been robbed years via a dawn raid and had been made to pay it all back).  Next day he re-opened. To provide moral support I thought I'd be there at closing time to check he was OK. I managed to walk in. I walked past his wide-open steel security door and I stood in front of his wide-open safe... full of bundles of cash.  I could have been another robber. I could have even helped myself and walked out and he'd have been none the wiser!!  When he saw me, some seconds later, he jumped out of his skin. You'd have thought... considering he still had a stitched forehead and covered in bruises... he'd have learned his lesson from what had happened just a day before. But no, we are creatures of habit. It's what makes us Human. (Oh the tales I can tell of wide open safes and wide open front doors over Xmas weekends after the office Xmas party!!...and also of people being robbed on a Monday and then robbed by the exact same robbers, at the exact same time, the very next day, saying exactly the same thing t the terrified (but none the wiser) clerks!!).

The reason I mention this is not remotely to suggest any culpability regarding this week's events from the people at Charlie Hebdo, nor the Protection Officer. It is simply to suggest that us Humans love to be free and we try to live lives that are not controlled by fear. No matter the risk, we often (as the above examples show) think "it won't happen to me"... The people at Charlie Hebdo I don't think could have maintained varying their routines every single day, every week, every month, year in and year out. To do so would have been unnatural and inhuman. Indeed, to do so would have kow-towed to the fear caused by (very) small minority of (fucking) bastards.
I read that CH had had previous death threats because of his cartoons?

But the global solidarity with the heroic cartoonists, writers and editors of this struggling weekly publication, targeted and murdered by terrorists during their weekly news conference, and victims of a fire-bomb attack on their office and years of death threats from Islamists, comes far too late.
Charlie Hebdo, which has published on and off since 1969, is proudly anti-organised religion and congenitally politically incorrect.
On a shoestring budget it has been fighting the good fight for freedom of thought and expression and a secular public space for years when many were ambivalent.
For its courage it has run into frequent trouble with local and international Islamofascists, having been forced to move its headquarters several times following threats and a fire bombing, notably after it published an edition in 2011 called "Charia Hebdo".
Its editors had also annoyed and irritated political leaders in its native France, in Britain, and the United States.
When it bravely republished the infamous Danish cartoons mocking the prophet Mohammed in 2006, even as fundamentalist leaders incited demonstrators to violence around the world, it earned a notorious rebuke from president Jacques Chirac who condemned its "overt provocation".
As I reported from Paris at the time, then Charlie Hebdo publisher Philippe Val hit back at Chirac, saying he was "shocked" the French head of state would accuse the magazine of inflaming passions.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-08/symons-we-should-have-supported-charlie-hebdo-sooner/6006382

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Post by Knitted on 10.01.15 7:15

@Joss wrote:[Snipped] "I read that CH had had previous death threats because of his cartoons?"
... I do hope my comment wasn't misinterpreted? It wan't my intention at all to belittle the events of this week.

Indeed. they had death threats. All credit to them that they were fearless enough to carry on. The point I was trying to make was simply that, regardless of the risk, people (over time...and I'd suggest very quickly) tend towards settling into routines and habits. It's what makes us (thankfully) Human.

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Post by Joss on 10.01.15 7:41

@Knitted wrote:
@Joss wrote:[Snipped] "I read that CH had had previous death threats because of his cartoons?"
... I do hope my comment wasn't misinterpreted? It wan't my intention at all to belittle the events of this week.

Indeed. they had death threats. All credit to them that they were fearless enough to carry on. The point I was trying to make was simply that, regardless of the risk, people (over time...and I'd suggest very quickly) tend towards settling into routines and habits. It's what makes us (thankfully) Human.
Not at all, i got what you said.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.15 8:25

@PeterMac wrote:Any serious comment from any Muslim Leaders anywhere?

No.

APOSTATE!!   Death to you!!

And there lies the problem...
And here are the texts the jihadists have committed to memory - from the most evil book ever published on this planet:



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Post by aquila on 10.01.15 10:41

These are the latest 'words of wisdom' from Piers Morgan (the man sacked from the Daily Mirror for publishing hoax photographs of British soldiers abusing Iraqi's).

If I can accept that the Paris murderers aren’t real Muslims why won’t the MUSLIM world say so too? 

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Post by PeterMac on 10.01.15 11:17

@aquila wrote:These are the latest 'words of wisdom' from Piers Morgan (the man sacked from the Daily Mirror for publishing hoax photographs of British soldiers abusing Iraqi's).
If I can accept that the Paris murderers aren’t real Muslims why won’t the MUSLIM world say so too? 
Is this man for real?
He is pathetic, and has missed the point entirely.

REAL Muslims are committing acts of Genocide against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of bodily mutilation for minor offences against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of Murder for minor offences against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of Barbarity for no reason which anyone else in the world can understand against other REAL Muslims

This IS Islam, whatever the woolly thinking lefties and Liberals would have us believe.
And the answer to his question is this -

IF a Muslim said that the Muslims who committed these acts were NOT Muslims, he would thereby expose himself to the accusation of Thinking for himself.
And that is not permitted.
ISLAM does not mean Peace, as the left would say
ISLAM means "Submission"
Islam is derived from the Arabic root "Salema" . . .In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
And the only people who can tell you what that Law actually is, are the Imam and the Mullah.

No room for your own thoughts. No room for an Enlightenment. No room for science, intellectual exploration, philosophy . . .

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Post by aquila on 10.01.15 11:31

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:These are the latest 'words of wisdom' from Piers Morgan (the man sacked from the Daily Mirror for publishing hoax photographs of British soldiers abusing Iraqi's).
If I can accept that the Paris murderers aren’t real Muslims why won’t the MUSLIM world say so too? 
Is this man for real?
He is pathetic, and has missed the point entirely.

REAL Muslims are committing acts of Genocide against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of bodily mutilation for minor offences against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of Murder for minor offences against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of Barbarity for no reason which anyone else in the world can understand against other REAL Muslims

This IS Islam, whatever the woolly thinking lefties and Liberals would have us believe.
And the answer to his question is this -

IF a Muslim said that the Muslims who committed these acts were NOT Muslims, he would thereby expose himself to the accusation of Thinking for himself.
And that is not permitted.
ISLAM does not mean Peace, as the left would say
ISLAM means "Submission"
Islam is derived from the Arabic root "Salema" . . .In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
And the only people who can tell you what that Law actually is, are the Imam and the Mullah.

No room for your own thoughts. No room for an Enlightenment. No room for science, intellectual exploration, philosophy . . .
Piers Morgan is to journalism what greedy bankers are to philanthropy.

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Post by Grim on 10.01.15 11:36

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Any serious comment from any Muslim Leaders anywhere?

No.

APOSTATE!!   Death to you!!

And there lies the problem...
And here are the texts the jihadists have committed to memory - from the most evil book ever published on this planet:



This vile offering is freely available , yet  " The Truth In The Lie " by Dr Amaral is banned .....funny olde world ey ?

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Post by aquila on 10.01.15 11:47

@Grim wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Any serious comment from any Muslim Leaders anywhere?

No.

APOSTATE!!   Death to you!!

And there lies the problem...
And here are the texts the jihadists have committed to memory - from the most evil book ever published on this planet:



This vile offering is freely available , yet  " The Truth In The Lie " by Dr Amaral is banned .....funny olde world ey ?
How much of this hatred is being peddled in UK mosques and secret prayer houses?

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Post by PeterMac on 10.01.15 13:30

@aquila wrote:
How much of this hatred is being peddled in UK mosques and secret prayer houses?
It is important to understand that this is NOT HATRED.
This is the word of their God, as revealed to their illiterate camel driver prophet.
It is therefore read out and taught in the same way that the words of the Bible are in Churches and Sunday Schools.

The difference is that Churches and Sunday Schools are permitted to explain and interpret, and to bring 2000 year old ideas up to date
They are not.
And "Education" means being able to recite this, verbatim.

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Post by aiyoyo on 10.01.15 14:29

@aquila wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:These are the latest 'words of wisdom' from Piers Morgan (the man sacked from the Daily Mirror for publishing hoax photographs of British soldiers abusing Iraqi's).
If I can accept that the Paris murderers aren’t real Muslims why won’t the MUSLIM world say so too? 
Is this man for real?
He is pathetic, and has missed the point entirely.

REAL Muslims are committing acts of Genocide against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of bodily mutilation for minor offences against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of Murder for minor offences against other REAL Muslims
REAL Muslims are committing acts of Barbarity for no reason which anyone else in the world can understand against other REAL Muslims

This IS Islam, whatever the woolly thinking lefties and Liberals would have us believe.
And the answer to his question is this -

IF a Muslim said that the Muslims who committed these acts were NOT Muslims, he would thereby expose himself to the accusation of Thinking for himself.
And that is not permitted.
ISLAM does not mean Peace, as the left would say
ISLAM means "Submission"
Islam is derived from the Arabic root "Salema" . . .In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
And the only people who can tell you what that Law actually is, are the Imam and the Mullah.

No room for your own thoughts. No room for an Enlightenment. No room for science, intellectual exploration, philosophy . . .
Piers Morgan is to journalism what greedy bankers are to philanthropy.

Piers Morgan is a twat, in the same league as Martin Brunt.
Blows with the wind direction and too pompous for their own good.

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Post by aiyoyo on 10.01.15 14:39

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:
How much of this hatred is being peddled in UK mosques and secret prayer houses?
It is important to understand that this is NOT HATRED.
This is the word of their God, as revealed to their illiterate camel driver prophet.
It is therefore read out and taught in the same way that the words of the Bible are in Churches and Sunday Schools.

The difference is that Churches and Sunday Schools are permitted to explain and interpret, and to bring 2000 year old ideas up to date
They are not.
And "Education" means being able to recite this, verbatim.


5 times a day, every day, 365 days a year..... !

When they finally meet their God in Heaven I wonder if their God still require them to pray 5 times a day or to recite the Koran verbatim in his presence?

When the murderers meet Allah in Heaven, will they be praised for job well done?
That's who and what they did it for - to be approved by Allah and to earn their rights to enjoy the 72 virgins awaiting them in Heaven.

Or are they in for a SHOCK ?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.15 14:55

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:How much of this hatred is being peddled in UK mosques and secret prayer houses?
It is important to understand that this is NOT HATRED. This is the word of their God, as revealed to their illiterate camel driver prophet. It is therefore read out and taught in the same way that the words of the Bible are in Churches and Sunday Schools.

REPLY:  NO. Teaching in churches and Sunday schools is not accompanied by the systematic abuse mistreatment that goes on in this country's madrassas, as evidenced by this article (there is far worse on YouTube):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356361/Shame-Britains-Muslim-schools-Secret-filming-shows-pupils-beaten.html

Muslim children are routinely beaten by imams, Muslim scholars and parents if they don't memorise large chuncs of the Kroan

The difference is that Churches and Sunday Schools are permitted to explain and interpret, and to bring 2000-year old ideas up to date

REPLY:  The words of Christ during his 3.5-year ministry here on earth explained in clear terms that all the Old Testament was true - every jot and tittle - and contained dozens of very specific prophecies of His life, death and resurrection - the coming Redeemer and Saviour from sin. Every single one fulfilled to the letter. Not one fact in the Bible has ever been disproved, and not one idea has ever had to be 'updated' 

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Charlie Hebdo terror mentor's wife on benefits in Leicester

Post by Angelique on 10.01.15 16:43

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11337056/Charlie-Hebdo-terror-mentors-wife-on-benefits-in-Leicester.html
Exclusive: Sylvie Beghal, a French citizen, lives rent-free in a four-bedroom house in Leicester having arrived with her children in search of a more 'Islamic environment'

11:07PM GMT 09 Jan 2015
By Bill Gardner

The wife of an al-Qaeda lynchpin who mentored the Charlie Hebdo murderers is living on benefits in Britain after deciding France was too strict against Muslims. Sylvie Beghal, a French citizen, lives rent free in a four bedroomed house in Leicester after she left her home country with her children in search of a more "Islamic environment".
She is married to Djamel Beghal, a former London-based lieutenant of Abu Hamza whose teachings are thought to have inspired the Paris attacks. At least two of the suspected gunmen responsible for the killings were Beghal's disciples, it has emerged. On Friday Beghal's wife revealed that prison guards had thrown him into solitary confinement in retaliation for his links to the Charlie Hebdo massacre.




The Telegraph has previously disclosed that one of the Kouachi brothers, 32-year-old Cherid, was recruited by Beghal in prison ten years ago while both were serving sentences for terror offences.


After the two men were released from prison they remained close, and were photographed by French surveillance officers playing football in April 2010 in Cantal, southern France, with two other convicted terrorists.
It emerged on Friday that Amedy Coulbaly and his girlfriend Hayat Boumeddiene, suspected of murdering a policewoman and holding hostages in a Jewish grocery store, were also mentored by Beghal. According to Le Monde, the pair visited the militant in 2010 in Cantal, southern France, where he was under house arrest.
Quizzed by French intelligence agents at the time, Boumeddiene told them that she and Coulbaly had gone there to practice “crossbow shooting”.
The Telegraph can also disclose that Beghal, 50, was excluded from the UK on grounds of national security in 2009, shortly before he was released from prison in France. It raises further questions as to why his family are allowed to stay in the UK on benefits.
Mrs Beghal lives with her four children in a smart home next to a park in Leicester. Her landlord, who did not wish to be named, said: "She doesn't have a job. She doesn't even leave the house much."
If Mrs Beghal is claiming full housing benefit, she would be entitled to more than £10,000 a year. She has two children under 18 years old, entitling her to around £1,500 a year in child benefit. With jobseekers allowance added, Mrs Beghal may have cost taxpayers more than £150,000 since she moved back to the UK.
Born in Algeria, Beghal settled in France in 1987 where he married his French wife in 1990. Seven years later, he moved his whole family to Leicester, where he initially made sandwiches for a living and joined a computing course.
In November 2000 the family moved again to Jalalabad in Afghanistan because they wanted to live in a Muslim country, according to Mrs Beghal.
But when he was arrested at Dubai airport in 2001 for carrying a false passport, Beghal was discovered to have organised an Al-Qaeda cell during his time in the Midlands. Investigators found he had quietly built up a network of supporters among foreign émigrés, who used the Indian and Pakistani communities as cover.
Posing as a businessman importing clothing from Germany, Beghal had been able to travel across the world unchallenged. But the authorities decided his movements had been connected to terrorist activities. Three men mentored by Beghal were later jailed for their part in the plots.
Beghal was discovered to have had links with the GSPC, the hardline Algerian group, and Takfir Wal Hirja, an extremist faction founded in Egypt and led by Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's deputy. He was also alleged to have helped recruit Richard Reid, the shoebomber, and possibly Zacarias Moussaoui, the suspected 20th hijacker, to al-Qaeda.
When detained, Beghal was returning to Paris from Afghanistan after meeting Abu Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaeda figure who allocated missions to terrorist cells around the world.
Under interrogation in Dubai, Beghal admitted plotting to destroy the United States embassy in Paris in a suicide attack. He admitted to investigators he had travelled around British mosques in the late 1990s, recruiting young Muslims for jihad.
Even among the extremists who congregated at Finsbury Park Mosque, he was regarded as one of the most dangerous.
In a court case in the UK Beghal was once described as being so extreme that Osama Bin Laden considered him "beyond the pale".
Yet speaking to a magazine in 2011, Mrs Beghal claimed her husband was innocent of all the charges levelled against him, and said he had been kept in solitary confinement for years to prevent him from preaching to prisoners.
She told how the Beghal family had moved from Afghanistan and Pakistan to Iran after her husband was arrested in Dubai, before being forcibly repatriated to France in 2002.
But only two years later, after her husband was handed a maximum 10 year jail sentence, she decided to move back to Leicester. She said the decision was made "mainly for religious reasons".
"I wanted to educate my children surrounded by Muslim brothers and sisters. It wasn’t really possible," she said.
"I wanted help for my children. I wanted them to live in an Islamic environment. It is not possible in France since we cannot really live in community.
"Most of all, I was asked to remove my headscarf to work. For me, it was unimaginable. I was not ready to make that kind of compromise."
In January 2011, she was stopped by police after arriving at East Midlands Airport on a flight from Paris.
Police officers told she was being detained under the Terrorism Act, a power that allowing officers to hold someone for up to nine hours and question them about whether they are involved in terrorism.
Yet Mrs Beghal refused to answer police questions about her movements, and was charged and later convicted of failing to comply with the order. She later lost a major court case in which her lawyers argued that her detention had infringed her human rights.
Speaking yesterday, Mrs Beghal said she did not know Cherif Kouachi, and claimed her husband had "nothing to do" with the Paris killings.
In a statement, she said: "Once again my husband is punished for something he didn't do.
"He has been placed in solitary confinement after all the false media coverage. He has nothing to do with the attack against Charlie Hebdo.
"The media is repeating false allegations which have been made against him for 14 years now.
"Our family too is suffering. We just want to be left alone and leave a peaceful life."

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And just to put it in perspective

Post by PeterMac on 10.01.15 16:50

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria
Boko Haram's 'deadliest massacre': 2,000 feared dead in Nigeria
Amnesty International calls the killings ‘a disturbing and bloody escalation’ and a local defence group says its fighters have given up trying to count the bodies

Boko Haram escapee: ‘I kept stepping on dead bodies’
Boko Haram hit Nigeria’s Baga town in fresh assault

Fighting continued Friday around the town on Baga, near Nigeria’s border with Chad. Photograph:
Hundreds of bodies – too many to count – remain strewn in the bush in Nigeria from an Islamic extremist attack that Amnesty International described as the “deadliest massacre” in the history of Boko Haram.
Fighting continued on Friday around Baga, a town on the border with Chad where insurgents seized a key military base on 3 January and attacked again on Wednesday.
“Security forces have responded rapidly, and have deployed significant military assets and conducted air strikes against militant targets,” said a government spokesman.
District head Baba Abba Hassan said most victims are children, women and elderly people who could not run fast enough when insurgents drove into Baga, firing rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles on town residents.
“The human carnage perpetrated by Boko Haram terrorists in Baga was enormous,” Muhammad Abba Gava, a spokesman for poorly armed civilians in a defence group that fights Boko Haram, told the Associated Press.
He said the civilian fighters gave up on trying to count all the bodies. “No one could attend to the corpses and even the seriously injured ones who may have died by now,” Gava said.
An Amnesty International statement said there are reports the town was razed and as many as 2,000 people killed.

Boko Haram ("Western education is forbidden")

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 10.01.15 16:55

Regarding Piers Morgan's article in todays Mail, love him or loathe him, I welcome ANYTHING that brings to the wider MSM audience that which for once, discusses the previously ignored elephant in the room. I rejoice in people across Europe being given the opportunity to voice opinions they may have previously been too scared to. To this end, the poor people (17 I think) who have died in France these  last couple of days, have not lost their lives completely in vain. NOW is the time for normal human beings to start voicing their ideas and opinions without being shouted down by the limp wristed apologists that have acted as enablers for goodness knows how long.

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And more horrors in the name of Islam

Post by PeterMac on 10.01.15 17:07

http://news.sky.com/story/1405114/father-kills-five-children-for-magic-powers

Father Kills Five Children For Magic Powers
The man "made the sacrifice" because he thought it would give him eternal youth and the ability to turn normal metals into gold.

Friday 09 January 2015

Coloured flags flutter around a Sufi shrine in the southern Sindh province

A Pakistani father-of-six is in hiding after allegedly strangling five of his children in the belief that he would gain magic powers.
Ali Nawaz Leghari, 40, killed the two girls and three boys - aged between three and 13 - in a village in the southern Sindh province, some 140 miles north of Karachi.

The family lived in a village north of Karachi
The man apparently believed the sacrifice would endow him with magical powers including alchemy - the ability to turn ordinary metals into silver or gold, or the possibility of eternal youth.
"The man's financial condition was bad but he was also learning black magic and it seems that he made the sacrifice to excel in the craft," a police officer said.
The local police chief said the killings had happened while Leghari was on a 40-day spiritual journey, known as a "chilla" suggested to him by a pir (living saint).
The policeman said Leghari had tried to poison the family's dinner but had been spotted by his wife.
Following an angry row, the wife left the house with their oldest son to go and stay with her parents.
Once they had left, Leghari was able to successfully carry out his plan to sedate the remaining five children and then used a rope that was found at the scene to strangle them, the policeman said.
"He strangled them one by one inside the room and later dumped them on a bed in the courtyard," he said, adding that police were now looking for the suspect.
Black magic practices are a strong part of mystic Sufi lore and have traditionally been the domain of pirs and aamils (sorcerers).
The practice is particularly strong in rural parts of the country, including the impoverished province where the killings took place.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.15 18:03

Charlie Hebdo: Rupert Murdoch speaks out:






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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.15 20:40

Another Charlie Hebdo-related death, it seems - French news report, via Google translation:

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Limoges: Suicide of a police commissioner

Cecile Gauthier
Published 08/01/2015 | 11:24, updated on 01/08/2015 | 6:23 p.m.


© France 3 Limousin
Just over a year after he discovered the lifeless body of the number 3 of SRPJ of Limoges, the number 2 commander has committed suicide yesterday in his workplace with his service weapon.

We learned this morning, a Limoges SRPJ Commissioner has committed suicide last night in his office with his service weapon. Information confirmed by his superiors. It is unknown at this time the reasons for his actions.

He would have killed himself that night to 1 hour.

Commissioner Helric Fredou aged 45 was from Limoges. He began his career in 1997 as a police officer at the regional office of the judicial police of Versailles, before returning to Limoges. He was deputy director of the regional police service since 2012. His father was a former police officer, his mother was a nurse in the emergency context CHU Limoges. He was single and had no children.

According to the police union commissioner was depressed and experiencing burn out.

In November 2013, the Commissioner Fredou had discovered the lifeless body of his colleague, number 3 of SRPJ Limoges, who had also committed suicide with his service weapon in his office. He was also 44 years.

The Fredou Commissioner, like all agents SRPJ worked yesterday on the case of the massacre at the headquarters of Charlie Hebdo. In particular, he surveyed the family of one of the victims. He killed himself before completing his report.


A psychological support unit was set up in the police station.

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