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MASSACRE in Paris this morning - 12 members of anti-Islam satirical magazine gunned down - gunmen flee

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Post by Guest on 11.01.15 11:24

Until everyone, regardless of status, wealth, race, sex, age, and crucially religious affiliation whichever and whatever that may be has the laws of this land (or the land they choose to dwell in) applied to them consistently and without prejudice we will continue to spiral into the abyss.

Unfortunately, with no desire from the establishment to enforce anything of the sort as they continue to self-serve that day appears as near as paradise is to earth. France may be closer to it than the UK, mind.

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Post by Joss on 11.01.15 11:29

@aquila wrote:
@Joss wrote:
@aquila wrote:I've seen so many differing opinions in the Press and on forums. Islamaphobia is the label for anything that might challenge the Islamic faith and its place in Western society.

'What about all the peace loving muslims in Europe?' I hear.

Well, what the peace loving muslims in Europe could do if they want to make their feelings known about the atrocities within their faith is by way of peaceful protest. Boycott the mosques in protest. Yes, whilst this very raw situation in France has left the peace loving people of France and Europe reeling, the peace loving Islamic leaders have said very little. All peace loving muslims have to do is stay at home. They don't need to take to the streets. An Imam can't preach to an empty mosque.

Muslims kill muslims. It's the Islamic way. There has never been peace in muslim countries. Muslims in Europe have a real choice and their existence here is being threatened by their own religious leaders who have yet to get on podia throughout Europe and openly shout that this is not tolerable.

So, in a peace loving and peaceful protest to their leaders, their mosques, their prayer houses, their secular schools etc., muslims of Europe have no need to take to the streets, on the contrary their protest would be of greater impact if they simply did not attend and exercised their right to a voice in a Europe that fought for freedom from oppression and allowed muslims to build their mosques and live in peace here. That peace is something everyone must continue to insist upon, unless you are a muslim of course and then just about every apologist and PC brigade will apologise on your behalf, call anyone who thinks the Islamic faith is now a curse to safety on our streets, our way of life and our freedom 'Islamaphobic'.

Just my opinion.

I await to be labelled 'islamaphobic'.
It really makes me wonder why some of those people want to migrate to westernised cultures?  In what way do they get a better deal than where they are from? Why with some of their strict belief systems would they want to live in the more liberal west? It doesn't make sense to me unless they are trying to set themselves up for a better future for themselves and their children, which would mean adapting and integrating into our cultures and fitting in with the rest of us. And surely if they break our laws they should be treated as any other person that lives under those laws with the rights to a lawyer and a Trial by their peers. If found guilty they either serve their prison term here or get deported.
There really isn't anymore crime among muslims on the streets as in other crimes by non muslims that i am aware of? Crime happens everywhere, and it hasn't yet to date changed, but  whoever commits crimes and is found guilty by due process, will have to deal with those conseqences.
I don't care what faith anyone practices as long as no one is hurt in the process. As far as i am aware they are not allowed to stone their women to death in the streets here if they commit adultery, or commit any barbaric act against another whether they be muslim or not. It certainly won't be tolerated in the west without punishment.
Abu Hamza and all the other hate preachers who are shrouded and protected by EU Human Rights  laws.

Millions of pounds of UK taxpayers' money spent on keeping this bastard here (Madeleine's case is a drop in the ocean).

We have hate preachers and we don't deport them. We offer them passports, visas and the right to live in our country.

We offer them the right to European laws whilst they form cells and preach hate against our society.

We've simply lost the grip on decency.

You can come to UK, you can esconce yourself into a mosque, Islamic 'community', you can benefit from lawyers who are backed by wealthy Arabs and Bob's your Uncle. There are so many Asian lawyers here who specialise in 'how to be an immigrant in UK'.

People come here because benefits Britain allows them to live here. They then live in ghettoes, go to mosques and life goes on.

Believe me, Australia is feeling the pain too.
Hi Aquila, Appreciate your views on it all. As we discussed the other day, there are no radical muslims here where i am right now, and no mosques that i am aware where those people worship. You see a different picture in the U.K., so would know a somewhat different story there. I know it is affecting Australia too, we also had a recent hostage situation here and the Govt. here had known about who was responsible, a nutter.
I just seen an article earlier from someone in Aus. that has this to say:

Terror suspects should be fitted with tracking devices, expert says
Terror suspects should be forced to wear tracking devices for at least two years if they return to Australia from known extremist hotspots, a leading security expert says.
The proposal comes after the Paris and Sydney attacks raised concerns about the ability of intelligence agencies to monitor every person suspected of terror links.
Professor Clive Williams from the Centre for Policing, Intelligence and Counter Terrorism at Macquarie University said tracking technology used to monitor sex offenders could help.
"There are some very sophisticated tracking devices now available which can even be used to limit internet access for example," he said.
"That would mean one security person could monitor as many as 20 persons of interest."
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25956130/terror-suspects-should-be-fitted-with-tracking-devices-expert-says/

Is that guy for real? Let them back into the country you got to be kidding wft

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Post by Joss on 11.01.15 11:37

Dee Coy wrote:Until everyone, regardless of status, wealth, race, sex, age, and crucially religious affiliation whichever and whatever that may be has the laws of this land (or the land they choose to dwell in) applied to them consistently and without prejudice we will continue to spiral into the abyss.

Unfortunately, with no desire from the establishment to enforce anything of the sort as they continue to self-serve that day appears as near as paradise is to earth. France may be closer to it than the UK, mind.
I totally agree. We all have to live under the laws set out for us in society, and no one should be immune from those laws regardless of who they are and what title they have, and we the people need to demand that from the establishments that are supposed to serve us, and if they don't do their job properly need to be kicked out.

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Post by PeterMac on 11.01.15 12:10

@aquila wrote:
I await to be labelled 'islamaphobic'.

Interesting that the people who aim that word at others do not realise that it does not mean Hatred of Islam.
It means FEAR of Islam, which many share for very good and rational reasons

HATRED would be Islamo misia    (Same root as Misanthopist, Misogynist, . . .)

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Post by Joss on 11.01.15 12:37

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:
I await to be labelled 'islamaphobic'.

Interesting that the people who aim that word at others do not realise that it does not mean Hatred of Islam.
It means FEAR of Islam, which many share for very good and rational reasons

HATRED would be Islamo misia    (Same root as Misanthopist, Misogynist, . . .)
According to the free dictionary it can mean both hatred or fear:

islamophobia
(redirected from Islamaphobia)
Also found in: Wikipedia.

Islamophobia

(ˌɪzlɑːməˈfəʊbɪə)
n
1. (Psychology) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture
ˌIslamoˈphobic adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

ThesaurusAntonymsRelated WordsSynonymsLegend:
Noun1.Islamophobia - prejudice against Muslims; "Muslim intellectuals are afraid of growing Islamophobia in the West"
bias, prejudice, preconception - a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Islamaphobia

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Post by PeterMac on 11.01.15 13:02

That may be the way in which the word is currently used, and modern dictionaries apparently believe they have to reflect how words are used, even if wrongly.

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Post by comperedna on 11.01.15 17:21

Similarly the word 'troll', which used to mean an annoying, malicious disrupter of threads on a forum, now means a writer of hate mail online... just because a bunch of tabloids used it in that way. Now it has entered the official lexicon with the latter meaning.

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Post by aiyoyo on 11.01.15 18:04

Generally, "phobia" is thought of /defined as : an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something


Here's the phobialist :  http://phobialist.com/reverse.html


I am phobia to Religion and Gods, and apparently the correct term is "theophobia".


BTW, Islamaphobia is not in the list - must be a newly coined one.

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 18:23

I have been reading this forum sine 2011 and I thoroughly enjoyed it, I always appreciated the clever point of view and facts that I read as I am also non believer of the MC story they're telling us. However, I am a french born Muslim who is hurt about what has happened in Paris and other places in regards to terrorism. My family went to the demonstration this afternoon to show their solidarity to our country. I am shocked and in disbelief in what I am reading in the forum regarding what has happened in Paris. If you really believe that the majority of Muslims feel this way don't you think we would be attacked on a daily basis when you think about the numbers of Muslims in the world. Common guys, I never imagined that I could find intolerance and racism in this forum. I am very disappointed that so called intelligent members could generalise a whole community. Very sad!

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Post by fz2 on 11.01.15 18:44

@sofa wrote:I have been reading this forum sine 2011 and I thoroughly enjoyed it, I always appreciated the clever point of view and facts that I read as I am also non believer of the MC story they're telling us. However, I am a french born Muslim who is hurt about what has happened in Paris and other places in regards to terrorism. My family went to the demonstration this afternoon to show their solidarity to our country. I am shocked and in disbelief in what I am reading in the forum regarding what has happened in Paris. If you really believe that the majority of Muslims feel this way don't you think we would be attacked on a daily basis when you think about the numbers of Muslims in the world. Common guys, I never imagined that I could find intolerance and racism in this forum. I am very disappointed that so called intelligent members could generalise a whole community. Very sad!
No, I would not expect you to be attacked nor should you but it is a sad indicment on Western governments using the term "radicalised" to describe barbaric individuals who willfully abuse the freedom and welcome we bestow on other cultures.
To me the word radicalised is nothing but a cop out, what next, radicalised paedophiles?

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 18:48

I really believe you should read my post again, your answer doesn't reflect my thought.

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 18:54

To TB,

Do you really associate yourself with intolerance and ignorance because when I read the racist posts from few members regarding the Muslims community on the Paris Massacre, I am really disappointed. What shock me the most is that I am the only one who feel this way!

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Post by aquila on 11.01.15 19:24

@sofa wrote:I have been reading this forum sine 2011 and I thoroughly enjoyed it, I always appreciated the clever point of view and facts that I read as I am also non believer of the MC story they're telling us. However, I am a french born Muslim who is hurt about what has happened in Paris and other places in regards to terrorism. My family went to the demonstration this afternoon to show their solidarity to our country. I am shocked and in disbelief in what I am reading in the forum regarding what has happened in Paris. If you really believe that the majority of Muslims feel this way don't you think we would be attacked on a daily basis when you think about the numbers of Muslims in the world. Common guys, I never imagined that I could find intolerance and racism in this forum. I am very disappointed that so called intelligent members could generalise a whole community. Very sad!
Hello sofa,

Well done for going to the march in Paris today. It's a very sad time.

I've highlighted part of your post. I'm curious as to why you say 'racism'. Islam isn't a race.

As for intolerance, that's precisely what's happened in France. The intolerance of muslims. It wasn't the intolerance of Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, other religious beliefs or Atheists. Those beliefs/non-beliefs don't threaten peace on the streets. Nope, it is Islamists doing the killing.

I'm also interested as to why you say 'community' and I hope you will take the time to explain it to myself and other unenlightened (or as you call us intolerant and racist) people on the forum.

I'd really appreciate (sincerely) your denial that the teaching of the Quran does not include the text posted by Tony Bennett.

I'd really find it a comfort to hear you say that you agree with the banning of the burqa in France.

I'd really find it a comfort to hear you say that mosques and prayer houses are completely free from religious zealousy in the name of Allah and they are most definitely not places of recruitment.

I'd really find it a comfort to hear you say how many muslims were on the streets of Paris today to show solidarity to their country.

Here is your opportunity to give things from a muslim perspective. You have a right to your opinion as does everyone else. roses

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 20:26

Dear Aquila

I am indeed talking about the Muslim Community as I would say Jewish Community, Asian Community, etc. but I would like to clarify that these murderers have nothing to do with Muslims, these people are lost soul who would like to be identified as Muslim and Martyrs to have a sense of belonging. These people are drug addicts, thieves, criminals, rapists and the list goes on. They are employed by even more evil people than they are and conduct unforgivable acts like we know the question we need to answer is where do their arms come from?
Now, when it comes to the burka, no I personally don't agree with wearing it and most people I know would not even think about wearing it. I feel that people who choose to do so should go and live in their country of origin. I do not dress like that because I choose to live here and I appreciate its freedom. There are many people like me within the Muslim community who feel the same as I do. This is probably the reason why you could not recognise them during the demonstration as they are dressed just like me. However, there were Imams from different major cities who came along as I am sure you are aware to show their support to our country. So please, have a bit of regards for members of this forum as you do not know who is behind the screen. I miss candifloss who was a MODERATOR. This forum has been used to promote hate and discrimination and I will make sure that this will be known.

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Post by tungsten tel on 11.01.15 20:34

@sofa wrote:Dear Aquila

I am indeed talking about the Muslim Community as I would say Jewish Community, Asian Community, etc. but I would like to clarify that these murderers have nothing to do with Muslims, these people are lost soul who would like to be identified as Muslim and Martyrs to have a sense of belonging. These people are drug addicts, thieves, criminals, rapists and the list goes on. They are employed by even more evil people than they are and conduct unforgivable acts like we know the question we need to answer is where do their arms come from?
Now, when it comes to the burka, no I personally don't agree with wearing it and most people I know would not even think about wearing it. I feel that people who choose to do so should go and live in their country of origin. I do not dress like that because I choose to live here and I appreciate its freedom. There are many people like me within the Muslim community who feel the same as I do. This is probably the reason why you could not recognise them during the demonstration as they are dressed just like me. However, there were Imams from different major cities who came along as I am sure you are aware to show their support to our country. So please, have a bit of regards for members of this forum as you do not know who is behind the screen. I miss candifloss who was a MODERATOR. This forum has been used to promote hate and discrimination and I will make sure that this will be known.
I like your sentiments Sofa . Now stand and condemn the evil extremists who kill in the name of Allah and I will take you seriously and applaud your veiws .

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Post by aquila on 11.01.15 20:42

@tungsten tel wrote:
@sofa wrote:Dear Aquila

I am indeed talking about the Muslim Community as I would say Jewish Community, Asian Community, etc. but I would like to clarify that these murderers have nothing to do with Muslims, these people are lost soul who would like to be identified as Muslim and Martyrs to have a sense of belonging. These people are drug addicts, thieves, criminals, rapists and the list goes on. They are employed by even more evil people than they are and conduct unforgivable acts like we know the question we need to answer is where do their arms come from?
Now, when it comes to the burka, no I personally don't agree with wearing it and most people I know would not even think about wearing it. I feel that people who choose to do so should go and live in their country of origin. I do not dress like that because I choose to live here and I appreciate its freedom. There are many people like me within the Muslim community who feel the same as I do. This is probably the reason why you could not recognise them during the demonstration as they are dressed just like me. However, there were Imams from different major cities who came along as I am sure you are aware to show their support to our country. So please, have a bit of regards for members of this forum as you do not know who is behind the screen. I miss candifloss who was a MODERATOR. This forum has been used to promote hate and discrimination and I will make sure that this will be known.
I like your sentiments Sofa . Now stand and condemn the evil extremists who kill in the name of Allah and I will take you seriously and applaud your veiws .
Well said.

I also note from sofa, hate, discrimination, racism....what a crock.

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 20:45

You can take me seriously, I stand for it, I was at the demonstration and if I suspect anyone wishing to do such a disgraceful act I would not hesitate to let the police know. I could not live with myself knowing that I could have done something to save someone's life. It is so difficult  and it hurts so much for us to see what is happening because unfortunately, people tend to think all Muslims are the same and it hurts because this b.....ds are a minority when you look at the big picture. I love and appreciate my life here. I love living with different people from different backgrounds, it is just wonderful as far as I am concerned.

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Post by aquila on 11.01.15 20:51

@sofa wrote:You can take me seriously, I stand for it, I was at the demonstration and if I suspect anyone wishing to do such a disgraceful act I would not hesitate to let the police know. I could not live with myself knowing that I could have done something to save someone's life. It is so difficult  and it hurts so much for us to see what is happening because unfortunately, people tend to think all Muslims are the same and it hurts because this b.....ds are a minority when you look at the big picture. I love and appreciate my life here. I love living with different people from different backgrounds, it is just wonderful as far as I am concerned.
I can't take you seriously when you bleat about wanting to run to Candyfloss and say that this forum is some sort of vehicle for hate.

Sorry, end of conversation for me. You've lost all credibility.

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Post by Guest on 11.01.15 21:22

Good to hear from you, sofa, and thank you for your honest perspective on things. It's good to bring things back to earth and hear the ordinary voices speak. Reassuring and rational.

aquila, I think you are beyond rude.

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Post by PeterMac on 11.01.15 21:58

To which Muslim "Community" do you refer ?
Sunni, Shi'a, Ismail'i, all of whom are committing acts of Genocide, - not merely a few random murders in a town a longway away, of which we know nothing.
GENOCIDE and Ethnic cleansing.

What is the Muslim Community, to which you refer ? Who is its spokes-woman ?

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Post by aquila on 11.01.15 22:07

@PeterMac wrote:To which Muslim "Community" do you refer ?
Sunni, Shi'a, Ismail'i,  all of whom are committing acts of Genocide,  - not merely a few random murders in a town a longway away, of which we know nothing.
GENOCIDE and Ethnic cleansing.

What is the Muslim Community, to which you refer ?  Who is its spokes-woman ?
Be careful Peter, you'll be accused of needing medication for that comment.

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 22:09

It looks like you forgot your history remember the slavery time. When you took the Africans and Asians away from their home to abuse, kill and sell them. Which community are you from? I know it is embarrassing PeterMok

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Post by aquila on 11.01.15 22:12

@sofa wrote:It looks like you forgot your history remember the slavery time. When you took the Africans and Asians away from their home to abuse, kill and sell them. Which community are you from? I know it is embarrassing PeterMok
This is panto time.

My country was invaded by Vikings and Romans. I don't hate the Danes or the Italians. big grin

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 22:25

Do me a favour Aquila and ask them if they forgot and as the same time ask the Jewish if they forgot the Holocaust! Have a lovely sleep!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.01.15 22:33

@sofa wrote:It looks like you forgot your history remember the slavery time. When you took the Africans and Asians away from their home to abuse, kill and sell them. Which community are you from?
How far back are you going?

Read your history books and you'll read that Muslim raiders, in the 17th century, regularly made raids on Britain's south coast and took people back to north Africa to be slaves there.

In more recent history, a dedicated Christian from Britain, William Wilberforce, not only forced the end of slavery in the UK but started a movement that led to its abolition worldwide.

The next bit I am going to write is going to be uncomfortbale for you as a Muslim, but this forum is about truth, as you well know, and sometimes the truth offends.

The spread of Islam began in the 10-year period 622AD and 632AD when Mohammed led the most vicious, bloodthirsty campaign, killing Arabs, Jews and Christians, right left and centre - and conquered the Arabian peninsula.

Ever since then, Islam has been spread by the sword, the gun, the AK47 and the bomb.

It was during these bloodthirsty 10 years that Mohammed made most of his utterances, recorded as you know in the hadith, the Koran. I quoted some of those awful, bloodthirsty verses higher up the thread.

If you've been following the news, you will have seen that the three Muslim killers in France were not 'drug-fuelled losers' but, on the contrary, had a hotline to and took their orders from Al Qa'eda and ISIS, both of whom have an unparalleled record for barbarism in recent years. And both Al Qa'eda and ISIS, like all the other jihadist Muslim gpoups - Boko Haram to name another - draw authority for their vile actions from these bloodthirsty verses in the Koran.

None of what I have written is hate. We all in this country desire peace with our Muslim neighbours.

But if you want to see what hate is like in this country, let me tell you what happens in England today when a Muslim dares to turn to faith in Christ and renounces Islam.

He is branded an apostate and frequently has to go to ground and be sheltered by Bible-believing Christians in safe houses or in their homes - to avoid being killed..

This, in a once Christian country

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