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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.01.15 22:37

@sofa wrote:ask the Jewish if they forgot the Holocaust!
The ones that are still left in France are thinking of leaving.

Many French people co-operated with the Nazis in rounding up Jews and sending them to be gassed to death in the concentration camps.

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Post by sofa on 11.01.15 22:41

It is true Tony this forum is only about the truth - YOURS!!

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Post by aquila on 11.01.15 22:45

@sofa wrote:It is true Tony this forum is only about the truth - YOURS!!
What happened to your islamic turnout in Paris then?

What happened to giving your opinion (you're entitled to one in the Western world - it's not Saudi) on living as a muslim in France?

Or are you just here to have a go at Tony Bennett - whoops I needn't have asked that question.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.01.15 22:49

@sofa wrote:It is true Tony this forum is only about the truth
That's why it's by far and away the best-read Madeleine McCann forum on the net.

Did I get any of my facts about Islam and Mohammed wrong in my last post?

If so, please tell me where

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Post by PMR on 11.01.15 23:01

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@sofa wrote:ask the Jewish if they forgot the Holocaust!
The ones that are still left in France are thinking of leaving.

What all of them? What proof do you have of this

Many French people co-operated with the Nazis in rounding up Jews and sending them to be gassed to death in the concentration camps.

France had one of the best survival rates of Jewish people with about 75% surviving the war

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Post by Guest on 11.01.15 23:05

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@sofa wrote:ask the Jewish if they forgot the Holocaust!
The ones that are still left in France are thinking of leaving.

Many French people co-operated with the Nazis in rounding up Jews and sending them to be gassed to death in the concentration camps.

Not sure what point you're making here?

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Post by aquila on 11.01.15 23:11

Dee Coy wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@sofa wrote:ask the Jewish if they forgot the Holocaust!
The ones that are still left in France are thinking of leaving.

Many French people co-operated with the Nazis in rounding up Jews and sending them to be gassed to death in the concentration camps.

Not sure what point you're making here?
No offence here Dee Coy but you must be a bit giddy with all that dashing between to forums.

You've just welcomed Sofa on another forum and spoken about how ultimaThule is something of a voice of reason.

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Post by Guest on 11.01.15 23:17

@aquila wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@sofa wrote:ask the Jewish if they forgot the Holocaust!
The ones that are still left in France are thinking of leaving.

Many French people co-operated with the Nazis in rounding up Jews and sending them to be gassed to death in the concentration camps.

Not sure what point you're making here?
No offence here Dee Coy but you must be a bit giddy with all that dashing between to forums.

You've just welcomed Sofa on another forum and spoken about how ultimaThule is something of a voice of reason.

True, I have and I did. Don't you agree UT has made some brilliant posts over the last few days? Do you think I shouldn't welcome a new member to a forum, I've seen you yourself do it often.

Not sure what point you're making, either.

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Post by PMR on 11.01.15 23:21

I'm just smirking at the irony

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Post by Guest on 11.01.15 23:21

Who is sofa?  A member who hasn't posted for over a year, writes one or two this evening, gets offended and flounces off elsewhere.  A bit fishy, IMO.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.01.15 0:02

Dee Coy wrote:Good to hear from you, sofa, and thank you for your honest perspective on things. It's good to bring things back to earth and hear the ordinary voices speak. Reassuring and rational.

aquila, I think you are beyond rude.

I beg to differ with you dee coy.

It's sofa who chose wrongfully to personalise thing for herself and is stirring here.

Are we not seeing a repeat of Charlie Hebdo situation here ?

It's exactly because people take things out of context, reading more into something out of nothing and choosing to personalise it that we have the unforunate Charlie Hebdo incident.

Surely aquila is entitled to her views, as is her right to freedom of speech to express it, without someone like sofa coming on to suppress it just because she takes it personal. And without others coming on to encourage her to manifest it in the likes of the Charlie Hebdo situation?

I've many Muslim friends, some of them close friends.  Whenever we talk about islam-related carnage, or islam-related social issues,  they don't take it personal. They see things for the reality they are, and they accept things for the reality they are. 

They know that when problem Muslims is conversational topic, people are refering to a very minority of fundamentalists that are misguided in the faith belief and are not true representation of Islam.  That Muslims that commit act of atrocities in Allah's name sake are madmen that sullen the essentially good essence of Islam.  The wise Muslims know that people recognise the common Muslims for the qualities they are - that the general moderate Muslims that is the majority of them are good, decent and peaceful people.  And that the talking point on radical-Muslims or Muslim-social-related problem is not to be miscontrued that people are generalising or saying that all Muslims are bad. 

No where in aquila's expression did she state it is a blanket coverage to encompass all Muslims, but rather it is issue specific, and there is a world of difference between those two.  So its pretty pointless to whip up a hysteria pretending to be against Islamaphobia.

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Post by Guest on 12.01.15 1:43

Sounds to me like you're describing sofa there with your words about your Muslim friends, aiyoyo, judging by sofa's posts tonight.

An ordinary French resident, appalled by and demonstrating against the revolting behaviour of extremists she has no understanding of at all. A lot of posts on here today have generalised on the Muslim faith and those who practise it. A parallel would be to expect all Catholics to condemn the actions of the IRA or all Christians to condemn the utter rape and pillage of places like Tar-ra and it's people before they were massacred by the white man and their homestead re-named Sydney.

Of course we don't expect ordinary Catholics and Christians to speak out against such atrocities - they bear no relation to the everyday man's peaceful way of life and actions. They would indignantly and rightly state 'those actions were not done in my name'. Yet there is an expectation that the peaceful Muslim must mount the soapbox of condemnation for the actions of lunatics acting in 'their' name.

Sofa did speak out against extremism. And received a further barrage and calls for her to condemn and justify. In my book, that's bullying at best.

This thread, and a couple of others just recently, have been most revealing.

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Post by Okeydokey on 12.01.15 4:23

Dee Coy wrote:Sounds to me like you're describing sofa there with your words about your Muslim friends, aiyoyo, judging by sofa's posts tonight.

An ordinary French resident, appalled by and demonstrating against the revolting behaviour of extremists she has no understanding of at all. A lot of posts on here today have generalised on the Muslim faith and those who practise it. A parallel would be to expect all Catholics to condemn the actions of the IRA or all Christians to condemn the utter rape and pillage of places like Tar-ra and it's people before they were massacred by the white man and their homestead re-named Sydney.

Of course we don't expect ordinary Catholics and Christians to speak out against such atrocities  - they bear no relation to the everyday man's peaceful way of life and actions. They would indignantly and rightly state 'those actions were not done in my name'. Yet there is an expectation that the peaceful Muslim must mount the soapbox of condemnation for the actions of lunatics acting in 'their' name.

Sofa did speak out against extremism. And received a further barrage and calls for her to condemn and justify. In my book, that's bullying at best.

This thread, and a couple of others just recently, have been most revealing.

"Of course we don't expect ordinary Catholics and Christians to speak out against such atrocities"

Sorry - I do expect them to. And I expect socialists to condemn the excesses of the Chinese and N Korean regimes. It is a perfectly reasonable demand where people are claiming to be part of the same tradition.

I recall that at the height of the IRA campaign it was a matter of controversy that the Catholic Church never excommunicated a single IRA person,no matter how appalling their acts.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.01.15 4:27

@ dee coy
If you look back at posts, sofa came on with a generalised attack on this forum a la style Charlie Hebdo first before all else.

This is what she started with.....

I am a french born Muslim who is hurt about what has happened in Paris and other places in regards to terrorism. My family went to the demonstration this afternoon to show their solidarity to our country.  

Note -To show solidarity with the country, not to condemn fellow Muslims. But this is a Islam-related hate crime against innocents - a Jihad.  Yet she's burying her head in the sand, refusing to acknowledge the madmen were Muslims motived by religion.  No one is saying Islam is bad, just saying the gunmen are motivated by Islam because evil-ly indoctrinated.  By her refusal to accept this very fundamental factual info what is she trying to hide or to prove ?

Even the government use the appropriate term "radicalised" to refer to this type of Muslims - what else can they use otherwise to differentiate radical fundamentalists from general moderate good muslims.


I am shocked and in disbelief in what I am reading in the forum regarding what has happened in Paris. If you really believe that the majority of Muslims feel this way don't you think we would be attacked on a daily basis when you think about the numbers of Muslims in the world. Common guys, I never imagined that I could find intolerance and racism in this forum. I am very disappointed that so called intelligent members could generalise a whole community. She's massacring this forum by her generalisation, shooting the entire forum with her criticisms.
[/b]Very sad!

....and then only subsequently when challenged by aquila, did she reply further with this

but I would like to clarify that these murderers have nothing to do with Muslims, these people are lost soul who would like to be identified as Muslim and Martyrs to have a sense of belonging.

But the reports state they are french born muslims of Algerian descent. So what do you think sofa is trying to do when she says "they would like to be identified as Muslim and Martyrs to  have a sense of belonging"  Does she mean to say there are Muslims faking it - Muslims pretending to be "Muslims"?    Also, is she conceding Muslim and Martyrdom goes hand-in-hand but they do it just to have a sense of belonging?  What the hell is that about? Belonging to what?   I'm sorry she is full of excuses to cover her religion.  What is she ashamed of ?  The religion, or those bastards?  I don't buy her ostrich in the sand bullshit.


These people are drug addicts, thieves, criminals, rapists and the list goes on.[/b] They are employed by even more evil people than they are and conduct unforgivable acts like we know the question we need to answer is where do their arms come from?

Here she is showing propensity for discrimination and prejudice against those gunmen.  Does she have proof they are all those things she accused them of ? Criminals yes, that's obvious, but the rest of the accusations?  Or is she just generalising that all mad-twisted radical Muslim jihadists are low born?

Again, she's in self denial. If these gunmen were 'radical jews' or 'radical christians'  which btw Charlie Hebdo office's culture being what it is, also produced satirical caricutures against those. And, if that be the case, people would refer to them suitably so, and wont shun from the using the appropriate terms that they are "Radical Christians" or "Radical Jews".  I bet when that be the case - when radical something else other than "Muslims" is used, no one will object to it, least of all the Muslims.

There are good and bad people in each faith belief.  Denying people of her faith can be bad, can kill in Allah's name sake (because they are fanatics) is not facing up to reality.  There is nothing to be ashamed of for being Muslim just because there are Islam-related crimes/carnage.  And there is nothing to be ashamed of for that matter for being Christian or whatever faith just because there are atrocities committed by that faith.  Just acknowledge and accept there are good and bad people in all sort of faiths.

She not only did not bother to answer aquila's perfectly valid questions instead she heaped on more criticism in her subsequent post.  Showing she wasn't keen in a civilised debate, just want to gun down this forum by doing a Charlie Hebdo. 

My Muslim friends would never react in the manner she did. They would never generalise or accuse before they made their stance clear first, and also not before they ask for context clarification first before deciding to go into a rebuttal mode or not. They do not automatic assume people are condemning them simply because they condemn certain aspects of the religion.

I'm sorry but sofa's intention is not clear. If anything it comes across as dishonourable. It seems she emerges suddenly to have a "go" at this forum simply because the words "Islam", "Terror" and "Community" are mentioned.  While she said she finds the action of the madmen abhorrent, she nonetheless refuses to face up to hard facts that this is the act of radicalists and they happened to be Muslims.  IMO, she would be better off acknowledging radical muslims with their barbaric behavior have no place in the religion.  Not the same as saying they are not Muslims, just that they are not suitably behaved people, and therefore not fit to be Muslims because Islam is a peaceful religion when not taken out of context.  Why try to avoid certain associating facts just because it does not suit her to hear it?  Or, why pretend radical barbaric behavior has nothing to do with the the men being Muslims carrying out act of jihad, when they were in fact identified as French-born Muslims?  Is she saying the French Government is lying or that all the reports got it wrong?   No one is condemning the Muslims or the Islamic faith per se, as the French President correctly said so. This is act of radicalists, face the reality.

Moreover, there's nothing to stop her using PEN (errrmm...I mean key board) to argue her stance. No need to come in automatic machine gun ready to massacre this forum then flounder off to people who will join her to take cheap shots at this forum.  It reflects badly on the side taking cheap shots.

Also, dee coy, I find the behavior of using cheap shots to play one side against the other side pretty darn disgusting. I dont get it why that side persists to watch this forum then sling mud at it - it's pathetic! Is that a team favourite hobby there, nothing better to do ?

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.01.15 5:14

@fz2 wrote:To me the word radicalised is nothing but a cop out, what next, radicalised paedophiles?

But what can the government use to describe twisted fundamentalists that murder in the name of their faith if not "radicalised" to differentiate the radicals from the moderate good Muslims?  


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Post by Joss on 12.01.15 8:21

Is there any proof or evidence that who was responsible for these shootings were in fact Muslims? I haven't seen the evidence yet, they are apparently dead, and its not like they are going to get a trial.

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Post by Joss on 12.01.15 8:33

Ruthless and bumbling -- the Charlie Hebdo killers' odd mixture
They killed like pros, but when the time came to flee, the Charlie Hebdo murderers morphed into bumbling characters from a crime caper -- an odd and troubling mix, according to French security experts.
Amateur footage and photos taken immediately after Wednesday's massacre showed the Kouachi brothers wielding their Kalashnikov assault rifles with the assurance of trained soldiers.
Kitted out in hoods, black clothing and ammunition pouches, they moved through the street outside the satirical weekly's offices in a way that clearly showed knowledge of infantry tactics -- for example, one covering the other as they advanced.
When one of them finished off a wounded policeman on the sidewalk, he fired without breaking stride, displaying the cold bloodedness of a veteran.
"You can clearly see the way they hold their weapons, the way they move calmly, coldly. They have definitely had a military type of training. These are not hotheads acting on the spur of the moment," a police source told AFP, noting how the duo held their weapons close to their bodies and fired single shots, not the wild bursts typical of panicky beginners.
Other elements suggested good preparation.
The men apparently knew that the whole Charlie Hebdo editorial team would be holding a meeting and planned their attack despite knowing that first they'd have to kill a police officer stationed to protect Charb, the editor in chief, because of previous threats.
A major slip-up was not knowing the exact location of the office where the meeting took place, meaning the attackers first had to ask directions. But they handled what could have been a disastrous error in their plans equally calmly, persisting until they reached their target.
Chaotic get-away -
It was afterwards that the brothers' apparently careful preparation unravelled.
Although they were not yet being chased, they ran into another car with the black Citroen C3 they were using to leave the scene. Next, they switched to a hijacked Clio, but when they left their earlier car behind, Said Kouachi blundered by leaving his French identity card, handing investigators an immediate breakthrough.
On Thursday, after having successfully evaded police for about 24 hours, they gave themselves away by robbing a gas station in the Picardie region of northern France. The station manager immediately recognised the brothers and gave police a crucial tip off.
Finally driven to ground in a small town near Paris, the fugitives holed up with a hostage at a printing business.
But their actions looked highly improvised, the duo even letting a man go free after he unwittingly came up to the front door. The brothers also never found out that another man was hiding inside the printing shop.
When commandos closed in for the kill, the two men who had plunged France into its worst terrorism crisis for decades had no more tricks left -- and went out shooting to die in a blaze of gunfire.
"They didn't think they could get out (of the Charlie Hebdo office) and certainly they hadn't planned their escape as carefully as they had the attack on the magazine," a second police source said. "Afterwards, they were clearly improvising."
- Dangerous new breed -
Experts say the Kouachis could signal a dangerous new breed of radical, but otherwise clear-headed youngsters who have weapons proficiency.
Alain Chouet, a former external intelligence service officer, told AFP that mistakes like leaving behind the identity card were less important than the techniques seen during the rest of the assault.
"What I find very worrying is that we're no longer talking about psychotics, as it was in the case of Mohamed Merah," he said, referring to a massacre at a Jewish school in March 2012 in Toulouse.
"They were well trained and calm, but just as much as any gang of bad guys from the suburbs who launch an attack on an armoured (bank) vehicle with military weapons," he said.
"We are witnessing a dangerous shift where we see the techniques of major banditry applied to something else, terrorism. That means there could be many more potential candidates, which is really worrying."
Eric Denece, director of the CF2R intelligence affairs think tank, highlighted "a definite improvement in the technique of their attack. But for the rest, for their exfiltration and survival in hiding, that was a lot less good."
The improvements that were displayed in the incident would not be hard to replicate, he said.
"What you must know is that in a few days you can train someone to use a Kalashnikov and move properly with a weapon."


All sounds a bit odd to me!

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Post by BlueBag on 12.01.15 9:33

@Joss wrote:Next, they switched to a hijacked Clio, but when they left their earlier car behind, Said Kouachi blundered by leaving his French identity card, handing investigators an immediate breakthrough.
Lucky break that.

Not at all suspicious.

Oh no.

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Post by Joss on 12.01.15 9:39

Paris grocery gunman claims IS allegiance
A video has emerged showing Paris terrorist Amedy Coulibaly pledging allegiance to Islamic State.
The clip was reportedly posted by the militant group on Twitter this morning - two days after the 32-year-old attacked a Jewish supermarket in the French capital, killing four people.
It shows him in several different locations and wearing a number of outfits including traditional Islamic dress, combat fatigues and western clothing such as a black leather jacket, while he is also seen posing with automatic weapons.
During the footage Coulibaly, who died when police stormed the kosher store on Friday, discusses how he worked alongside the brothers who massacred 12 people at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25957685/paris-grocery-gunman-claims-is-allegiance/


So these guys claim their allegiance to IS/ISIL. Who are IS?ISIL?

The many names of ISIS (also known as IS, ISIL, SIC and Da'ish)

FOR the third time in as many decades America is leading a powerful coalition to war in the Middle East. On September 23rd the offensive expanded dramatically as coalition aircraft and missiles struck in Syria, widening the theatre beyond its initial arena in Iraq. Their target is a radical jihadist group that has grabbed headlines since June, when its black-clad gunmen burst beyond territory they had captured during Syria’s civil war and seized big chunks of Iraq, including the country’s second biggest city, Mosul. Alarm has grown as they have massacred hundreds of prisoners, sometimes with grisly televised beheadings, and hounded thousands of Christians and other minorities from their homes. Nearly everyone shares a desire to destroy this scourge, yet they cannot seem to agree on what to call it. The group has been variously dubbed ISIS, ISIL, IS, SIC and Da'ish. Why the alphabet soup?
Part of the trouble is that the group has evolved over time, changing its own name. It started as a small but viciously effective part of the Sunni resistance to America’s 2003 invasion of Iraq that called itself al-Qaeda in Iraq, or AQI. In 2007, following the death of its founder (and criticism from al-Qaeda for being too bloodthirsty), AQI rebranded itself the Islamic State in Iraq, or ISI. This group suffered setbacks on its home turf, but as Syria descended into civil war in 2011 it spotted an opportunity. By 2013 it had inserted itself into eastern Syria and adopted a new name to match, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Increasing the confusion, ISIS changed its name yet again in June this year, declaring itself the State of the Islamic Caliphate (SIC), a title that reflects its ambitions to rule over Muslims everywhere.
Translation presents another problem. In its next-to-most-recent incarnation, as ISIS, the group sought to challenge "colonialist" borders by using an old Arab geographical term—al-Sham—that applies either to the Syrian capital, Damascus, or to the wider region of the Levant; hence the official American preference for calling it Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL, rather than ISIS. The Arabic for this, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fil ’Iraq wal-Sham, can be abbreviated to Da'ish, just as the Palestinian group Hamas (which means "Zeal") is an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya, or Islamic Resistance Movement. Da'ish is the name that has widely stuck among Arabs, although the group’s own members call it simply the State, al-Dawla, for short, and threaten with lashes those who use Da'ish.
There is a long history of pinning unpleasant-sounding names on unpleasant people. Rather as the term Nazi caught on in English partly because of its resonance with words such as "nasty", Da'ish rolls pleasurably off Arab tongues as a close cousin of words meaning to stomp, crush, smash into, or scrub. Picking up on this, France has officially adopted the term for government use, with its foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, explaining that Da'ish has the added advantage of not granting the group the dignity of being called a state. Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary General, has cast similar aspersions, denouncing the group as a “Non-Islamic Non-State”. Rather than obediently adopting the acronym NINS, this newspaper has chosen for the time being to continue calling the group simply Islamic State (IS).
http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/09/economist-explains-19

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Post by tiny on 12.01.15 9:43

@BlueBag wrote:
@Joss wrote:Next, they switched to a hijacked Clio, but when they left their earlier car behind, Said Kouachi blundered by leaving his French identity card, handing investigators an immediate breakthrough.
Lucky break that.

Not at all suspicious.

Oh no.
A lucky break indeed wtf

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Post by Joss on 12.01.15 9:45

So it seems from the article i just posted the rebel murdering group IS wants to take over the Muslims, and i really don't think they represent Muslim people at all.

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Post by Joss on 12.01.15 9:46

@BlueBag wrote:
@Joss wrote:Next, they switched to a hijacked Clio, but when they left their earlier car behind, Said Kouachi blundered by leaving his French identity card, handing investigators an immediate breakthrough.
Lucky break that.

Not at all suspicious.

Oh no.
LOL, yeah, seems pretty "suss" to me too.

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Post by BlueBag on 12.01.15 9:55

Oswald left his ID at the Tippet shooting.

As you do. 

Well... actually he did and he didn't... it took a while for the Police to get their story straight.

We had magic passports on 9/11 and a car left at the airport with airplane manuals in it.

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Post by Joss on 12.01.15 10:05

@BlueBag wrote:Oswald left his ID at the Tippet shooting.

As you do. 

Well... actually he did and he didn't... it took a while for the Police to get their story straight.

We had magic passports on 9/11 and a car left at the airport with airplane manuals in it.
Yep, very convenient that.

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Re: MASSACRE in Paris this morning - 12 members of anti-Islam satirical magazine gunned down - gunmen flee

Post by Smokeandmirrors on 12.01.15 10:14

A polite request


The recent events in Paris and elsewhere in the world have, and will continue to, spark passionate debate. Those at Charlie Hebdo lost their life for exercising their democratic right to free speech. Please lets keep the discussion going on the understanding that whilst there might be things debated which stir up strong emotion and opinion, and which may be controversial and challenging, personal attacks are not permitted. 

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