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Post by Guest on 13.12.14 20:56

Aquila, you are entitled to your opinion.

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Post by margaret on 13.12.14 20:58

I would agree with you Aquila but Mr.Amaral vas vilified almost from the word go, so I don't blame him one bit for putting his side across and speak up for Madeleine.

Do we know how much he really made? After taxes and anything else, then his accounts have been frozen, his marriage failed was it really worth it?

Still, having said that I think he deserves every penny, I'd like to see him announce an English version will be available too for those who don't know it's on the Internet free, just to piss certain people off. It would certainly be a best seller, unlike Summers book who sold out his credibility so he didn't get sued. laughat

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.12.14 21:09

@aquila wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Will Goncalo be able to get his book published in the UK if the McCanns lose the damages trial?

Or will the McCanns start the whole ruddy process over again in the UK?
I'm not sure that's the point Woofer and this will be a sharp intake of breath to people on the forum - I'm not happy that Goncalo allegedly made so much money from a book he wrote. I've been sooo afraid of saying this.

I'm behind GA for writing a book that told the truth of the investigation. 100% behind him.

I'm behind GA for being totally annihilated by the UK press, the PJ, the McCanns and fighting back. 100% behind him.

What I'm not behind GA for is a large amount of money earned from a book. This is what's biting him on the bum in a courtroom imo.

I have nothing but respect for GA to write and have published his opinions. The point I'm trying to make (so very badly) is that had GA not been taken to task by the McCanns, he'd have made an awful lot of money out of it.

Oh dear, this is another 'I'll fetch me coat' post. I'm hovering over the 'send' button.


Dare I venture you've missed the more pertinent point. 
He didn't write it to make money.  It just so happened to sell well, so be it.
He did not make nearly half as much as what the McCanns intent to take him to the cleaner for.  
Amara is a victim of the McCanns, and writing the book is a mean to getting the injustice done to him addressed, and also be a voice for Madeleine. 

No one other than the McCanns is guilty of commodifying Madeleine.

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Re: Libel trial summing up - daily mail

Post by Tony Bennett on 13.12.14 21:10

@aquila wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Will Goncalo be able to get his book published in the UK if the McCanns lose the damages trial?

Or will the McCanns start the whole ruddy process over again in the UK?
I'm not sure that's the point Woofer and this will be a sharp intake of breath to people on the forum - I'm not happy that Goncalo allegedly made so much money from a book he wrote. I've been sooo afraid of saying this.

I'm behind GA for writing a book that told the truth of the investigation. 100% behind him.

I'm behind GA for being totally annihilated by the UK press, the PJ, the McCanns and fighting back. 100% behind him.

What I'm not behind GA for is a large amount of money earned from a book. This is what's biting him on the bum in a courtroom imo.

I have nothing but respect for GA to write and have published his opinions. The point I'm trying to make (so very badly) is that had GA not been taken to task by the McCanns, he'd have made an awful lot of money out of it.
But all that has to be balanced against the fact that in writing the book...

1. He sacrificed his career

2. He lost the right to a police salary for the rest of his career - I think he had another 7 years (?) to go before he could retire on his police pension, and

3. His final police pension (when he finally gets it) will be worth 25% or more less than it would otherwise have been.

ALSO

4. Had the McCanns obtained an injunction when the book was pubished (July 2008), he wouldn't have made any money - instead the McCanns waited until September 2009 to get the injunction, by which time the book had sold 220,000 copies in Portugal and had sold tens of thousands more copies in nince other European countries where his book had been translated. Why did they wait?  I think any fair Portuguese judxge would he bound to take that into account

and

5. His gains from selling the book have been frozen and he has had to shell out probably a six-figure sum in solicitors' costs.


The other great shame is that if Goncalo Amaral's book is ever published in England, it will be seriously out-of-date - so much more is known now as a result of the combined efforts of various compliers, researchers and translators of Madeleine McCann-related information

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Post by aquila on 13.12.14 21:16

@Margaret and Aiyoyo,

Good posts.

I think it's good to air things in a sense of fairness.

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Post by aquila on 13.12.14 21:35

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Will Goncalo be able to get his book published in the UK if the McCanns lose the damages trial?

Or will the McCanns start the whole ruddy process over again in the UK?
I'm not sure that's the point Woofer and this will be a sharp intake of breath to people on the forum - I'm not happy that Goncalo allegedly made so much money from a book he wrote. I've been sooo afraid of saying this.

I'm behind GA for writing a book that told the truth of the investigation. 100% behind him.

I'm behind GA for being totally annihilated by the UK press, the PJ, the McCanns and fighting back. 100% behind him.

What I'm not behind GA for is a large amount of money earned from a book. This is what's biting him on the bum in a courtroom imo.

I have nothing but respect for GA to write and have published his opinions. The point I'm trying to make (so very badly) is that had GA not been taken to task by the McCanns, he'd have made an awful lot of money out of it.
But all that has to be balanced against the fact that in writing the book...

1. He sacrificed his career

2. He lost the right to a police salary for the rest of his career - I think he had another 7 years (?) to go before he could retire on his police pension, and

3. His final police pension (when he finally gets it) will be worth 25% or more less than it would otherwise have been.

ALSO

4. Had the McCanns obtained an injunction when the book was pubished (July 2008), he wouldn't have made any money - instead the McCanns waited until September 2009 to get the injunction, by which time the book had sold 220,000 copies in Portugal and had sold tens of thousands more copies in nince other European countries where his book had been translated. Why did they wait?  I think any fair Portuguese judxge would he bound to take that into account

and

5. His gains from selling the book have been frozen and he has had to shell out probably a six-figure sum in solicitors' costs.


The other great shame is that if Goncalo Amaral's book is ever published in England, it will be seriously out-of-date - so much more is known now as a result of the combined efforts of various compliers, researchers and translators of Madeleine McCann-related information
Another good opinion.

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Post by IAmNotMerylStreep on 13.12.14 21:43

@aquila wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Will Goncalo be able to get his book published in the UK if the McCanns lose the damages trial?

Or will the McCanns start the whole ruddy process over again in the UK?
I'm not sure that's the point Woofer and this will be a sharp intake of breath to people on the forum - I'm not happy that Goncalo allegedly made so much money from a book he wrote. I've been sooo afraid of saying this.

I'm behind GA for writing a book that told the truth of the investigation. 100% behind him.

I'm behind GA for being totally annihilated by the UK press, the PJ, the McCanns and fighting back. 100% behind him.

What I'm not behind GA for is a large amount of money earned from a book. This is what's biting him on the bum in a courtroom imo.

I have nothing but respect for GA to write and have published his opinions. The point I'm trying to make (so very badly) is that had GA not been taken to task by the McCanns, he'd have made an awful lot of money out of it.

Oh dear, this is another 'I'll fetch me coat' post. I'm hovering over the 'send' button.
So you're 100% behind him writing a book but not making money from it?
What do you expect to happen when someone writes a book?
Should he have sold it for 1p?
Maybe you haven't noticed but AnnaEsse translated his book from French into English and published her work on the internet for all to see. Amaral did not sue her for loss of earnings. He seemed quite happy for his work to be made available for FREE.

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Post by aquila on 13.12.14 21:47

@IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Will Goncalo be able to get his book published in the UK if the McCanns lose the damages trial?

Or will the McCanns start the whole ruddy process over again in the UK?
I'm not sure that's the point Woofer and this will be a sharp intake of breath to people on the forum - I'm not happy that Goncalo allegedly made so much money from a book he wrote. I've been sooo afraid of saying this.

I'm behind GA for writing a book that told the truth of the investigation. 100% behind him.

I'm behind GA for being totally annihilated by the UK press, the PJ, the McCanns and fighting back. 100% behind him.

What I'm not behind GA for is a large amount of money earned from a book. This is what's biting him on the bum in a courtroom imo.

I have nothing but respect for GA to write and have published his opinions. The point I'm trying to make (so very badly) is that had GA not been taken to task by the McCanns, he'd have made an awful lot of money out of it.

Oh dear, this is another 'I'll fetch me coat' post. I'm hovering over the 'send' button.
So you're 100% behind him writing a book but not making money from it?
What do you expect to happen when someone writes a book?
Should he have sold it for 1p?
Maybe you haven't noticed but AnnaEsse translated his book from French into English and published her work on the internet for all to see. Amaral did not sue her for loss of earnings. He seemed quite happy for his work to be made available for FREE.
Another good opinion.

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Post by Woofer on 13.12.14 22:17

@ Tony - "His gains from selling the book have been frozen and he has had to shell out probably a six-figure sum in solicitors' costs."

The poor man must be potless - goodness knows how he is managing to exist.  Hopefully his assets will be unfrozen when he wins this case (but knowing the McCanns they`ll appeal).

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Post by XTC on 13.12.14 23:31

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Will Goncalo be able to get his book published in the UK if the McCanns lose the damages trial?

Or will the McCanns start the whole ruddy process over again in the UK?
I'm not sure that's the point Woofer and this will be a sharp intake of breath to people on the forum - I'm not happy that Goncalo allegedly made so much money from a book he wrote. I've been sooo afraid of saying this.

I'm behind GA for writing a book that told the truth of the investigation. 100% behind him.

I'm behind GA for being totally annihilated by the UK press, the PJ, the McCanns and fighting back. 100% behind him.

What I'm not behind GA for is a large amount of money earned from a book. This is what's biting him on the bum in a courtroom imo.

I have nothing but respect for GA to write and have published his opinions. The point I'm trying to make (so very badly) is that had GA not been taken to task by the McCanns, he'd have made an awful lot of money out of it.
But all that has to be balanced against the fact that in writing the book...

1. He sacrificed his career

2. He lost the right to a police salary for the rest of his career - I think he had another 7 years (?) to go before he could retire on his police pension, and

3. His final police pension (when he finally gets it) will be worth 25% or more less than it would otherwise have been.

ALSO

4. Had the McCanns obtained an injunction when the book was pubished (July 2008), he wouldn't have made any money - instead the McCanns waited until September 2009 to get the injunction, by which time the book had sold 220,000 copies in Portugal and had sold tens of thousands more copies in nince other European countries where his book had been translated. Why did they wait?  I think any fair Portuguese judxge would he bound to take that into account

and

5. His gains from selling the book have been frozen and he has had to shell out probably a six-figure sum in solicitors' costs.


The other great shame is that if Goncalo Amaral's book is ever published in England, it will be seriously out-of-date - so much more is known now as a result of the combined efforts of various compliers, researchers and translators of Madeleine McCann-related information
In my humble opinion the cleverest move made by the legal teams was to get Mr Amaral's assets frozen.

This way you could sue but your opponnent could nots ue- due to lack of cash.

Yet the worst aspects of this investigation lies with Alipeo Ribeiro ( one of the PJ directors ) in removing him from the investigation just as progress was being made.

Whether this was Diplomatic pressure in combination with UK media pressure I can only speculate but in my view Rebeiro deserted his post
visa - vis backing his people within the initial PJ investigation. That to me is disgraceful.

We now have the scenario wherein the PJ are just going thorugh the motions of acceding to SY yards requests which is in my view the equivalent of saying to the past Portuguese investigators ( and the present ones) that if you weren't incompetent then you must have missed what we have allegedly spotted. Sorry about that old chaps but we are British therefore we know better than you at crimefighting.

As we will find out in the future all the ' progress '  being made will not make a flea hop towards finding Madeleine, instead it is becoming more apparent to me at least that the whole show is not the discovery of Madeleine's whereabouts but more of a diversion so that she is not found.

Madeleine is " a findable little girl" but I am really not convinced that anyone currently wants to find her.

The search for suspects is in no way shape or form the same as the search for Madeliene.

Just an opinion that's all.

p.s. As far as I'm aware Mr Amaral's book is not " banned " in the Uk - it's just that no publisher will pick it up and run with it.

If Mr Amaral had the money - maybe he could challenge that view?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.12.14 23:52

@XTC wrote:
In my humble opinion the cleverest move made by the legal teams was to get Mr Amaral's assets frozen.

This way you could sue but your opponnent could not sue - due to lack of cash.

Yes, but not only that, let us solemnly recall that this decision and other draconian decisions made by the court on the same occasion (September 2008) were made at a secret, ex parte hearing, behind closed doors - the first Amaral knew about it was while he was sitting drinking coffee at a restaurant, and the manager summoned him exclaiming: 'Snr Amaral, your book's been banned!'  Amaral wrote this up in 'The English Gag', Chapter 6, titled 'TERRIBLE NEWS', the English translation of which is on the forum here:   

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8856-terrible-news-chapter-6-of-a-mordaca-inglesa-the-english-gag-by-dr-goncalo-amaral-how-he-learnt-on-portuguese-radio-that-his-book-had-been-banned-at-a-secret-court-hearing-that-he-knew-absolutely-nothing-about 
 

We now have the scenario wherein the PJ are just going thorugh the motions of acceding to SY's requests which is in my view the equivalent of saying to the past Portuguese investigators (and the present ones) that "if you weren't incompetent then you must have missed what we have allegedly spotted - sorry about that old chaps but we are British therefore we know better than you at crimefighting".

It looks exactly that way to me as well. And all our super-duper Met detectives can do is sit on a chair and watch from the sidelines while PJ officers actually carry out the formal interviews

As we will find out in the future all the 'progress' being made will not make a flea hop* towards finding Madeleine, instead it is becoming more apparent to me at least that the whole show is not the discovery of Madeleine's whereabouts but more of a diversion so that she is not found.

Agreed again.

P.S. As far as I'm aware Mr Amaral's book is not "banned" in the UK - it's just that no publisher will pick it up and run with it.

That's a correct statement.


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Post by jeanmonroe on 14.12.14 1:49

@margaret wrote:I would agree with you Aquila but Mr.Amaral vas vilified almost from the word go, so I don't blame him one bit for putting his side across and speak up for Madeleine.

Do we know how much he really made? After taxes and anything else, then his accounts have been frozen, his marriage failed was it really worth it?

Still, having said that I think he deserves every penny, I'd like to see him announce an English version will be available too for those who don't know it's on the Internet free, just to piss certain people off. It would certainly be a best seller, unlike Summers book who sold out his credibility so he didn't get sued. laughat

Do we know how much he (GA) really made?
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NO, we don't, but on the other hand how much did the McCanns 'make' after their spokesman, Clarance Mitchell, now a Conservative Party PPC, said 'just put money in envelopes and send to Kate and Gerry, Rothley, it'll get there'

How much money did they 'receive' in 'envelopes'?

How much income TAX did they possibly 'evade' on those 'donations' received  in envelopes?

Why did they REFUSE to give 'details' of Madeleine's 'fund' to the court, last week?

WHO was the McCann's 'supposed' £100,000 'translation' cost, of the PJ 'files' paid to?

If they had had the files 'translated' into English, at a 'cost' of £100,000, so we're TOLD, by KM, before OG was 'set up' WHY did OG have to have the PJ files 'translated'?

All 40,000 pages of them!

When, supposedly OG had been 'given' all the 'files' from McCanns and their PI's, INCLUDING the £100,000 'translated into English PJ files' at the outset of their 'review'

And then OG had the PJ 'files' translated into English.........AGAIN, at great taxpayers EXPENCE!

When they already HAD, the McCann's £100,000 translated, into English, 'files'?

thinking

AS PM will tell you.............'FOLLOW THE MONEY'!

£38,000 'revamp' for their website?

Yeah, right!

Lest we 'forget'

Gerry and Kate er, umm, 'misplaced' £3,000!

#McCann #Liverpool #FRAUD: McCann's 'Tried To Screw' Charity Group Race Night For 3000.00 Pounds !!!! (allegedly)

Day 556: 09/11/2008 Sunday

Gerry McCann:

"Yesterday we went through to Liverpool for a Race Night organised by the Greenhills Taverners Society- a group who organise fundraising events for local good causes- along with family and friends. On this occasion all proceeds were going towards 'Madeleine's Fund'. ( a registered private ltd company, board 'directors' Kate and Gerry McCann) Around 200 people turned up and everyone enjoyed a good night. Liverpool and Everton donated signed shirts which were auctioned and with tickets and a raffle around £2000 has been raised. A taxi driver, taking home some of our friends, even got in to the spirit of things by donating his fare to the fund. Well done everyone and thanks for all the messages of support prayers- we left Liverpool in much better spirits than when we arrived!"
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Day 557: 10/11/2008 Monday

Gerry McCann:

"Correction to my entry last night. After adding all the money up the total raised at the race night was actually £5000! Well done everyone in Liverpool."
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COMMENT  :It would appear someone told the Landlord of the Pub the race night HAD raised  £5,000 CASH,  McCann's 'altered' their figures to 'match' ! (allegedly, although GM's 'correction' IS on public 'record')

"FOLLOW THE MONEY!"

Memo to Clarance Mitchell, Conservative Party PPC for Brighton Pavilon at the next General Election:

It's not a good electoral 'strategy' to be asking people to 'send/put/stuff money in/into envelopes'!

The electrorate might think you're a 'dodgy' geezer!

BEFORE you've even had the chance to be 'elected'!

Not that you'll need money, from money stuffed into envelopes, Mr Mitchell, as you still receive, i believe, as a 'retainer', from the kiddies, handicapped kiddies and OAP's, 'donations' to Madeleine's 'Fund',......... £28,000pa!

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Post by Joss on 14.12.14 2:39

The interim measure [injunction] was filed at the 1st Civil Court of Lisbon in June 2009 and was allowed. The McCanns gained all the still due book authorship rights, half of Amaral's retirement pension as well as his “share [moiety, half] of their rural property” in Olhão. In July this year, the house division in two parts at the registry office was refused on the grounds that it affected a common asset.

The McCann couple via their lawyer [Isabel Duarte] applied for Sofia Leal to execute a separation of assets, as foreseen by law. She refused and in August the court carried into completion the full arrest. “My husband and I have never abandoned our daughters, or allowed paedophiles in our circle of friends. I am shocked that a couple who affirm to be religious is seeking out to destroy our family”, said Sofia Leal.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/09/mccanns-want-amarals-family-home.html



The McCann's destroyed this family, is that how they find their missing child? They are beyond disgusting IMO.
As to any money Amaral made off the book who gives a F**k really?

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Post by Joss on 14.12.14 3:59

From McCann vs Amaral trial in Lisbon 10.12.2014

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post317292.html#p317292

Miguel Coroadinha, representing TVI, started his allegations with a copy of today's Correio da Manhã and an article about the Faro questioning sessions, using it to make the following points:

- the visits by SY deviate attention from the trial, repeatedly and conveniently

- the case has already been subject to studies about its exceptional media exposure

- the McCanns have pushed the case into the media spotlight and do everything they can to keep it there

- the media attention has never diminished and the book had no impact on media attention or on the investigation

- witnesses for the McCanns stated that media attention increased with the book's publication

- TVI did not broadcast the McCanns' documentary because the couple did not want that (the channel had already negotiated the broadcast when the couple backtracked)

- concerning the alleged damages, it is impossible to prove a causal link to the book
- this court is not the place to discuss the investigation's mistakes (like Ricardo Afonso did), but if one major mistake can be pointed out it's the mistake of not making the McCanns arguidos on the very next day after the disappearance, and if that had been done, we might not be here [in this court room] today

- the witnesses that were brought by the couple were too emotionally involved and too close to the couple to be credible

- the two "expert" reports were used for their authors to evade any questioning about said reports

- the couple is trying to rewrite history, making everyone believe the only theory is their own, but the book is already part of the case history

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Post by plebgate on 14.12.14 7:46

Rocky had a family to feed so without his police job how was he expected to do that?   

I don't care how much he made or will make from the sale of his book/s, he was the lead investigator and in his opinion and experience things did not add up.   He came to a conclusion and wrote about it. 

If he goes on to make substantially more from civil litigation at some time in the future, then good luck to him I say.

One day Tony Bennett may be able to write a book and make money and I hope that this is the case as I think there are many who would like to buy and read all about his experiences and emotions having gone through the court process also.

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Post by aquila on 14.12.14 8:50

There are some great posts on this thread and due to the considered and valid opinions of others I've changed my own.

Here's a crunch issue for me.

Did the McCanns wait until Gonçalo's book gained a high circulation and income to institute libel proceedings?

Their claim for £1M in personal damages couldn't have been realised had the book and the documentary not produced a substantial income. So did they wait until it was financially beneficial to sue rather than trying to shut down the circulation of the book in its infancy whilst they were still in effect able to have some control over their reputation/profile in the media?

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Post by Guest on 14.12.14 9:16

@aquila wrote:There are some great posts on this thread and due to the considered and valid opinions of others I've changed my own.

Here's a crunch issue for me.

Did the McCanns wait until Gonçalo's book gained a high circulation and income to institute libel proceedings?

Their claim for £1M in personal damages couldn't have been realised had the book and the documentary not produced a substantial income. So did they wait until it was financially beneficial to sue rather than trying to shut down the circulation of the book in its infancy whilst they were still in effect able to have some control over their reputation/profile in the media?
I've thought of that,but  they wanted an out of court settlement at one stage,did they just ask for any proceeds at that stage,it wasn't a million euro then was it?

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Post by Joss on 14.12.14 10:05

@plebgate wrote:Rocky had a family to feed so without his police job how was he expected to do that?   

I don't care how much he made or will make from the sale of his book/s, he was the lead investigator and in his opinion and experience things did not add up.   He came to a conclusion and wrote about it. 

If he goes on to make substantially more from civil litigation at some time in the future, then good luck to him I say.

One day Tony Bennett may be able to write a book and make money and I hope that this is the case as I think there are many who would like to buy and read all about his experiences and emotions having gone through the court process also.
To sum up: The main purpose of the book at issue in these proceedings - ‘Maddie: The Truth About A Lie’ - which was written by the defendant, Dr Goncalo Amaral – is to defend his personal and professional integrity, as the author himself points out straightaway in his preface, and throughout the text. 

I agree, and i would support anyone that has been affected in such a way to lose their livelihood because of the McCann PR machine of greed, and the fact they want to destroy anyone with an alternate opinion about what dead beat parents they were for what happened to Madeleine. They make me sick.

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Post by aquila on 14.12.14 10:09

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@plebgate wrote:Rocky had a family to feed so without his police job how was he expected to do that?   

I don't care how much he made or will make from the sale of his book/s, he was the lead investigator and in his opinion and experience things did not add up.   He came to a conclusion and wrote about it. 

If he goes on to make substantially more from civil litigation at some time in the future, then good luck to him I say.

One day Tony Bennett may be able to write a book and make money and I hope that this is the case as I think there are many who would like to buy and read all about his experiences and emotions having gone through the court process also.
To sum up: The main purpose of the book at issue in these proceedings - ‘Maddie: The Truth About A Lie’ - which was written by the defendant, Dr Goncalo Amaral – is to defend his personal and professional integrity, as the author himself points out straightaway in his preface, and throughout the text. 

I agree, and i would support anyone that has been affected in such a way to lose their livelihood because of the McCann PR machine of greed, and the fact they want to destroy anyone with an alternate opinion about what dead beat parents they were for what happened to Madeleine. They make me sick.
Dr Amaral didn't lose his livelihood within the Portuguese Police. He resigned. He wasn't sacked if my understanding is correct.

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Post by Joss on 14.12.14 10:20

@aquila wrote:
@Joss wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Rocky had a family to feed so without his police job how was he expected to do that?   

I don't care how much he made or will make from the sale of his book/s, he was the lead investigator and in his opinion and experience things did not add up.   He came to a conclusion and wrote about it. 

If he goes on to make substantially more from civil litigation at some time in the future, then good luck to him I say.

One day Tony Bennett may be able to write a book and make money and I hope that this is the case as I think there are many who would like to buy and read all about his experiences and emotions having gone through the court process also.
To sum up: The main purpose of the book at issue in these proceedings - ‘Maddie: The Truth About A Lie’ - which was written by the defendant, Dr Goncalo Amaral – is to defend his personal and professional integrity, as the author himself points out straightaway in his preface, and throughout the text. 

I agree, and i would support anyone that has been affected in such a way to lose their livelihood because of the McCann PR machine of greed, and the fact they want to destroy anyone with an alternate opinion about what dead beat parents they were for what happened to Madeleine. They make me sick.
Dr Amaral didn't lose his livelihood within the Portuguese Police. He resigned. He wasn't sacked if my understanding is correct.
Yes you're right he did resign after being booted from the case, but McC's successfully destroyed his livelihood from other means, half his pension etc. And his assets frozen.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.14 10:25

@aquila wrote:There are some great posts on this thread and due to the considered and valid opinions of others I've changed my own.

Here's a crunch issue for me.

Did the McCanns wait until Gonçalo's book gained a high circulation and income to institute libel proceedings?  Apparently so. If they had only wanted to stop the book, all they'd to do is to apply for injunction on it immediately.  Even in their late timing suit, had they asked to stop of circulation with seeking monetary compensation, that would give credence to their suit.


Their claim for £1M in personal damages couldn't have been realised had the book and the documentary not produced a substantial income. So did they wait until it was financially beneficial to sue rather than trying to shut down the circulation of the book in its infancy whilst they were still in effect able to have some control over their reputation/profile in the media?  From her own bewk Kate would have known the largest chuck of profit came from serialisation and not from circulation alone.  She would have known there's no way Amaral's book circulation profit could have reached anywhere near the £M level mark, yet they demanded an unrealistic amount, over and above realistic book profit.
 What does this prove?  Greed? More than greed I'd think, evilness is their underlying trait. They set out to destroy the man totally demanding every cent they believed Amaral should afford and should pay for their hatred of him.  Kate said so in her bewk, she wants him to feel fear.  

And their lawyer in his closing argument focused on them being wrongly arguidoed (only their own perception that it was wrong of course) and not that they were able to produce any proof to substantiate their claim that the MG, MH and the UK Police were against it.  It goes to confirm being made arguidos under Amaral watch is a terribly sore point with them, one that they are not prepared to forget or forgive the man who suspected them.  They blamed him for their plight in other words.  And, they're so bigoted they believed they can come to Court and spin the truth.

What comes through in their belated suit is - they hate the man with every malicious cell in their body and they won't rest until they destroy him.

Their lawyer argued their case as if arguing libel, when libel contention was never filed (but implied of course during court seesions when that was not the knub of the matter before Court).
They filed personal damages caused by the book , and not that book libels them. To argue libel they would first have to contend it, that would require them to list out explicitly which bits in the book they alleged were libelous of them and filed these allegations/charges accordingly with court.  But they never dare do that in their suit for obvious reason or they will be taking on the Portuguese State and will have to take the stand under cross examinations.  What they did during court sessions was to try to introduce their libellous contention of the book, which the Judge constantly had to intervene whenever their lawyers strayed into that, telling them she's not there to try the validity of the truth or not of the book.

As far as I understand the proceedings, the case before court is that the book caused them those adverse health conditions and personal damages.  Both sides have to demonstrate if the book (nonwithstanding the validity or otherwise of its contents) is the cause of all those negative state/condition they claimed they suffered vs without the book were their negative mental and emotional state of health etc already suffered and lived anyway having other attributory factors as cause.





  

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.14 10:27

WMD wrote:
@aquila wrote:There are some great posts on this thread and due to the considered and valid opinions of others I've changed my own.

Here's a crunch issue for me.

Did the McCanns wait until Gonçalo's book gained a high circulation and income to institute libel proceedings?

Their claim for £1M in personal damages couldn't have been realised had the book and the documentary not produced a substantial income. So did they wait until it was financially beneficial to sue rather than trying to shut down the circulation of the book in its infancy whilst they were still in effect able to have some control over their reputation/profile in the media?
I've thought of that,but  they wanted an out of court settlement at one stage,did they just ask for any proceeds at that stage,it wasn't a million euro then was it?


Have you ever heard of plaintiff asking for out of court settlement? What does that signify?
The side caving in cannot make demands.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.14 10:29

@Joss wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@Joss wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Rocky had a family to feed so without his police job how was he expected to do that?   

I don't care how much he made or will make from the sale of his book/s, he was the lead investigator and in his opinion and experience things did not add up.   He came to a conclusion and wrote about it. 

If he goes on to make substantially more from civil litigation at some time in the future, then good luck to him I say.

One day Tony Bennett may be able to write a book and make money and I hope that this is the case as I think there are many who would like to buy and read all about his experiences and emotions having gone through the court process also.
To sum up: The main purpose of the book at issue in these proceedings - ‘Maddie: The Truth About A Lie’ - which was written by the defendant, Dr Goncalo Amaral – is to defend his personal and professional integrity, as the author himself points out straightaway in his preface, and throughout the text. 

I agree, and i would support anyone that has been affected in such a way to lose their livelihood because of the McCann PR machine of greed, and the fact they want to destroy anyone with an alternate opinion about what dead beat parents they were for what happened to Madeleine. They make me sick.
Dr Amaral didn't lose his livelihood within the Portuguese Police. He resigned. He wasn't sacked if my understanding is correct.
Yes you're right he did resign after being booted from the case, but McC's successfully destroyed his livelihood from other means, half his pension etc. And his assets frozen.


When the establishment is against you, your position is untentable, and will be unbearable if you stayed on.

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Then, the McCanns pounced...

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.12.14 10:47

@aquila wrote:There are some great posts on this thread and due to the considered and valid opinions of others I've changed my own.

Here's a crunch issue for me.

Did the McCanns wait until Gonçalo's book gained a high circulation and income to institute libel proceedings?

Their claim for £1M in personal damages couldn't have been realised had the book and the documentary not produced a substantial income. So did they wait until it was financially beneficial to sue rather than trying to shut down the circulation of the book in its infancy whilst they were still in effect able to have some control over their reputation/profile in the media?
I think the answer to your bolded question must be 'YES'.  'And that's an emphatic 'yes'.' (in joke). 

Goncalo Amaral and his publishers announced their intention to publish a book sometime in the spring of 2008.

The book was published in July 2008. At that time, Clarence Mitchell warned Goncalo Amaral that if he went ahead and published his book, he had 'better take care'. Goncalo Amaral noted this in his book, saying that he didn't think Mitchell 'meant it in a nice way'.

The McCanns could have sued at this point and injuncted the book.

They waited.

As they waited, the book sold tens of thousands of copies in Portugal.

As they waited, a documentary film was made by TVi, watched by a 2.2 million audience in Portugal.

As they waited, the book was translated and published in nine different countries.

As they waited, tens of thousands more copies of the book were sold across Europe.

As they waited, AnnaEsse translated the book, enabling hundreds of thousnads, maybe millions, to read it in English.

As they waited, the sales figures for the book rose, to the financial benefit of Goncalo Amaral and Guerra e Paz, the publishers.

As they waited, sales of the book topped 220,000 copies.

As they waited, in June 2009 it was reported that net profits on the book had risen to about 1.2 million euros (approx £1 million).

Then, the McCanns pounced...

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Post by Guest on 14.12.14 10:52

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aquila wrote:There are some great posts on this thread and due to the considered and valid opinions of others I've changed my own.

Here's a crunch issue for me.

Did the McCanns wait until Gonçalo's book gained a high circulation and income to institute libel proceedings?

Their claim for £1M in personal damages couldn't have been realised had the book and the documentary not produced a substantial income. So did they wait until it was financially beneficial to sue rather than trying to shut down the circulation of the book in its infancy whilst they were still in effect able to have some control over their reputation/profile in the media?
I think the answer to your bolded question must be 'YES'.  'And that's an emphatic 'yes'.' (in joke). 

Goncalo Amaral and his publishers announced their intention to publish a book sometime in the spring of 2008.

The book was published in July 2008. At that time, Clarence Mitchell warned Goncalo Amaral that if he went ahead and published his book, he had 'better take care'. Goncalo Amaral noted this in his book, saying that he didn't think Mitchell 'meant it in a nice way'.

The McCanns could have sued at this point and injuncted the book.

They waited.

As they waited, the book sold tens of thousands of copies in Portugal.

As they waited, a documentary film was made by TVi, watched by a 2.2 million audience in Portugal.

As they waited, the book was translated and published in nine different countries.

As they waited, tens of thousands more copies of the book were sold across Europe.

As they waited, AnnaEsse translated the book, enabling hundreds of thousnads, maybe millions, to read it in English.

As they waited, the sales figures for the book rose, to the financial benefit of Goncalo Amaral and Guerra e Paz, the publishers.

As they waited, sales of the book topped 220,000 copies.

As they waited, in June 2009 it was reported that net profits on the book had risen to about 1.2 million euros (approx £1 million).

Then, the McCanns pounced...
So it was at this point that the £1 million claim in damages was arrived at,nice round figure.

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