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Post by NickE on 26.11.14 21:25


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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Tony Bennett on 26.11.14 21:57


Thank you for posting, NickE.


Well, he doesn't believe the 'official' version about Madeleine being abducted.

He raises interesting questions, especially about 3 May.

He is suspicious about the nanny confirming that she saw Madeleine at high tea at 5.30pm.

He believes Mrs Fenn's evidence, despite some doubts about it.

He gives a couple of big plugs to Richard D. Hall's DVDs: 'Buried by Mainstream Media', except that he calls him Richard D. Hart.

He spends quite a bit of time on the Last Photo and the possibility that the date and time was altered.


But he presents such a chaotic, haphazard assemblage of facts, points and opinions, without explaining the context or any form of introduction, that you soon begin to lose the plot - as I fear he has done.

As you're trying to absorb one complex point, he has introduced three or four others to think about.


I predict that a lot of people will simply switch off after a few minutes

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by notlongnow on 26.11.14 22:20

If the bag was dropped overboard how could it have been photographed in the cupboard by the police?

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by sallypelt on 26.11.14 22:31

And if Madeleine's body was dumped in the sea, what was in the car that was hired a few weeks later?

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by joyce1938 on 27.11.14 9:46

Was the bag there when police did first search and, not to be seen again went afterwards ?  still could been a move of child .joyce1938

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by MRNOODLES on 27.11.14 22:18

@sallypelt wrote:And if Madeleine's body was dumped in the sea, what was in the car that was hired a few weeks later?

Exactly my thoughts straight away. But fair play to the bloke for trying to make sense of it all.

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Joss on 28.11.14 6:26

@MRNOODLES wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:And if Madeleine's body was dumped in the sea, what was in the car that was hired a few weeks later?

Exactly my thoughts straight away.  But fair play to the bloke for trying to make sense of it all.
If Madeleine's body was dumped in the ocean her body could have been stored somewhere in the interim and transferred into the boot of the car at a later date, and taken to her final resting place? I know i keep hearkening back to the Casey Anthony case, where decomp. was detected in the boot of the car, yet Caylee's skeletonised remains were found in laundry bag & garbage bags in a swamp not far from her home.

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by j.rob on 28.11.14 15:27

I think the poster at 07.40 is getting quite close to what went on.

Something happened to Madeleine earlier in the week. Agree that paedophile rings are probably a factor in this case.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?224543-Madeleine-McCann-General-Discussion-Thread-27/page46

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by j.rob on 28.11.14 15:40

@Joss wrote:
@MRNOODLES wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:And if Madeleine's body was dumped in the sea, what was in the car that was hired a few weeks later?

Exactly my thoughts straight away.  But fair play to the bloke for trying to make sense of it all.
If Madeleine's body was dumped in the ocean her body could have been stored somewhere in the interim and transferred into the boot of the car at a later date, and taken to her final resting place? I know i keep hearkening back to the Casey Anthony case, where decomp. was detected in the boot of the car, yet Caylee's skeletonised remains were found in laundry bag & garbage bags in a swamp not far from her home.


The earliest sniffer dogs that were sent in became very agitated at nearby empty apartment 5J. This happened on several occasions with several different dogs. And the dogs followed a strange route away from the apartment, one that was not a direct exit but which circled the whole block. A route that a random mystery abductor who wanted to get away as quickly as possible without being seen would not take.

It took police some time apparently to get permission to search the apartment. And when they did they found a fridge with an open door and some rooting food either in the fridge or next to it, apparently.

At first I assumed this might mean that Madeleine's body might have been stored in this apartment. Maybe even in a fridge. And whoever had carried out the crime had deliberately left a scent trial to confuse and to cover up for strong odours  coming from the apartment.

But now I am wondering.......the early sniffer dogs that were sent in are trained to alert to the scent of a live person. (As opposed to the later sniffer dogs sent in which were trained to alert to the scent of a cadaver.) I assumed that they  might also react strongly to the scent of a dead person? And that this is why they became so agitated outside that apartment.

But maybe that is not the case. Maybe they only follow the scent of an alive person and do not react to cadaver scent??

In which case, perhaps Madeleine had been inside apartment 5J alive during that week?

Either way, I think apartment 5J may be of interest. I wonder who it belongs/belonged to?

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Joss on 28.11.14 17:10

The Policia Judiciaria are investigating a trip of the McCann couple to Huelva, Spain, made on August 3, which used the Renault Scenic that contained traces that are presumed to belong to Maddie. These diligences are performed according to the theory, which is now followed more intensely by the investigators, that points to the child's death and the moving of the corpse in that car. The PJ has already collected video surveillance images in "locations that make no sense" where the Renault Scenic may have been through.

The suspicions become more dense with some details of the trip. Namely the fact that for almost three months, Kate and Gerry had an intense media agenda, which included the presence of the press all over Europe. This was until August 2, a time when Maddie's father alleged intestinal problems and cancelled the entire program, which included meetings with some associations in Huelva.

Gerry missed that day, but PJ found out later that the trip from Praia da Luz to that Spanish city was made the next day, this time including the couple and a small group of journalists. This was the first time in three months, since their daughter disappeared on the night of May 3.
 
The 'strangest' part is the fact that on that day, it was a holiday in Huelva. And the McCanns didn't schedule any meetings, everything was closed - and there was a big agitation at the city centre. At a time when the inspectors are trying to reconstitute thousands of 'unjustified' kilometres that the Renault Scenic made during this period, CM knows there was even a meeting between the leaders of the investigation and the Spanish police.

After the detection of residues that may lead to the presence of the body inside the car, the PJ, besides failing to find a justification for the exaggerated amount of kilometres travelled, already owns several images of the passage of that van through Spain, on August 3. The van may contain the key to the crime.

[color:1b65=000000]Kilometres have not been justified

PJ owns the records of the kilometres that were made with the van, between May 27 and July 3. The distances are being checked, in order to try to reconstitute the locations where the van that was hired by the McCanns passed through.

Residues collected in August

The blood residues that are presumed to belong to Madeleine, were collected inside the car in early August. That was also the time when the English dogs smelled cadaver odour inside the boot, and on the vehicle's key.
[color:1b65=000000]http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html


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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Joss on 28.11.14 17:15

@j.rob wrote:
@Joss wrote:
@MRNOODLES wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:And if Madeleine's body was dumped in the sea, what was in the car that was hired a few weeks later?

Exactly my thoughts straight away.  But fair play to the bloke for trying to make sense of it all.
If Madeleine's body was dumped in the ocean her body could have been stored somewhere in the interim and transferred into the boot of the car at a later date, and taken to her final resting place? I know i keep hearkening back to the Casey Anthony case, where decomp. was detected in the boot of the car, yet Caylee's skeletonised remains were found in laundry bag & garbage bags in a swamp not far from her home.


The earliest sniffer dogs that were sent in became very agitated at nearby empty apartment 5J. This happened on several occasions with several different dogs. And the dogs followed a strange route away from the apartment, one that was not a direct exit but which circled the whole block. A route that a random mystery abductor who wanted to get away as quickly as possible without being seen would not take.

It took police some time apparently to get permission to search the apartment. And when they did they found a fridge with an open door and some rooting food either in the fridge or next to it, apparently.

At first I assumed this might mean that Madeleine's body might have been stored in this apartment. Maybe even in a fridge. And whoever had carried out the crime had deliberately left a scent trial to confuse and to cover up for strong odours  coming from the apartment.

But now I am wondering.......the early sniffer dogs that were sent in are trained to alert to the scent of a live person. (As opposed to the later sniffer dogs sent in which were trained to alert to the scent of a cadaver.) I assumed that they  might also react strongly to the scent of a dead person? And that this is why they became so agitated outside that apartment.

But maybe that is not the case. Maybe they only follow the scent of an alive person and do not react to cadaver scent??

In which case, perhaps Madeleine had been inside apartment 5J alive during that week?

Either way, I think apartment 5J may be of interest. I wonder who it belongs/belonged to?
There are quite a few possibilities in this case, but according to the investigation there was evidence in the hire car and that would mean Maddie's body would have to of been transferred after a while of being stored somewhere else until that happened i would think?

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by PeterMac on 29.11.14 10:07

@Joss wrote:
There are quite a few possibilities in this case, but according to the investigation there was evidence in the hire car and that would mean Maddie's body would have to have been transferred after a while of being stored somewhere else until that happened i would think?

Not necessarily.
The Blue tennis bag might have been heavily contaminated, placed on the shelf in the wardrobe where we see it in the photo and where Eddie alerted,
then taken to the new villa, then placed in the boot of the car, and disposed of because the smell was becoming discernible even to a human.
Handling the bag would then contaminate hands and therefore key fob.
Meanwhile somewhere else, a long way away . . .

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.11.14 10:31

@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:
There are quite a few possibilities in this case, but according to the investigation there was evidence in the hire car and that would mean Maddie's body would have to have been transferred after a while of being stored somewhere else until that happened I would think?
Not necessarily.

The blue tennis bag might have been heavily contaminated, placed on the shelf in the wardrobe where we see it in the photo and where Eddie alerted,
then taken to the new villa, then placed in the boot of the car, and disposed of because the smell was becoming discernible even to a human.
Handling the bag would then contaminate hands and therefore key fob.

Meanwhile somewhere else, a long way away...
However, there are these further points to consider:

1. Michael Wright in his statement admitted that there was a very bad and persistent stench in the hired car, which IIRC he attributed to dirty nappies

2. The fact that there was a persistent foul smell in the car was corroborated by the anonymous neighbour who reported that she had seen the car boot of the hired Renault Scenic parked outside the villa with the boot open all night, night after night  

3. What is the likelihood that a sports bag which may have carried a dead body in early May, and was then placed for a short time in the Scenic some time before July, could have caused a smell so pungent that it required Michael Wright to admit to it in a statement - and brought out a neighbour to remark on someone leaving their car boot open night after night after night

4. The hairs and body fluids found in the hired car which may have belonged to Madeleine still need to be explained - especially as the car was hired after the alleged abduction

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Guest on 29.11.14 11:11

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:
There are quite a few possibilities in this case, but according to the investigation there was evidence in the hire car and that would mean Maddie's body would have to have been transferred after a while of being stored somewhere else until that happened I would think?
Not necessarily.

The blue tennis bag might have been heavily contaminated, placed on the shelf in the wardrobe where we see it in the photo and where Eddie alerted,
then taken to the new villa, then placed in the boot of the car, and disposed of because the smell was becoming discernible even to a human.
Handling the bag would then contaminate hands and therefore key fob.

Meanwhile somewhere else, a long way away...
However, there are these further points to consider:

1. Michael Wright in his statement admitted that there was a very bad and persistent stench in the hired car, which IIRC he attributed to dirty nappies

2. The fact that there was a persistent foul smell in the car was corroborated by the anonymous neighbour who reported that she had seen the car boot of the hired Renault Scenic parked outside the villa with the boot open all night, night after night  

3. What is the likelihood that a sports bag which may have carried a dead body in early May, and was then placed for a short time in the Scenic some time before July, could have caused a smell so pungent that it required Michael Wright to admit to it in a statement - and brought out a neighbour to remark on someone leaving their car boot open night after night after night

4. The hairs and body fluids found in the hired car which may have belonged to Madeleine still need to be explained - especially as the car was hired after the alleged abduction

Sorry, my quote facility is letting me down, so I change the letter type:

How about this: blue bag cum contents were removed from the apartment and kept in a fridge somewhere; then, when somebody thought fit to move this BBCC somewhere for some reason or other - maybe the owners of the fridge were not too happy with it - the Scenic was used to carry off the whole deepfrozen but inadvertently thawing combination in one fell swoop?

So it might pay off to trace the toings & froings of the Scenic, if that hasn't been thoroughly done already

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by PeterMac on 29.11.14 11:21

Well yes, Precisely so.

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.11.14 11:44

@Portia wrote:
So it might pay off to trace the toings & froings of the Scenic, if that hasn't been thoroughly done already
These appear to be the relevant facts:

1. The McCanns hired the Renault Scenic on 27 May 2007, 24 days after Madeleine's reported disappearance

2. It was hired by others before then; IIRC it was hired by someone from Rothely Golf Club for a week sometime in April

3. There is nothing from the hire car company (or from anyone else) to suggest that this exceptionally vile smell was present on or before 27 May 2007

4. The reference to this vile smell in the car by Michael Wright would appear to refer to a period during July or August (i.e. after the McCanns moved to the villa)

5. Ditto for the neighbour who saw the car parked outside the villa night after night after night with its boot open

Therefore the exceptionally vile smell arose on a date in July or August 2007

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by sallypelt on 29.11.14 13:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Portia wrote:
So it might pay off to trace the toings & froings of the Scenic, if that hasn't been thoroughly done already
These appear to be the relevant facts:

1. The McCanns hired the Renault Scenic on 27 May 2007, 24 days after Madeleine's reported disappearance

2. It was hired by others before then; IIRC it was hired by someone from Rothely Golf Club for a week sometime in April

3. There is nothing from the hire car company (or from anyone else) to suggest that this exceptionally vile smell was present on or before 27 May 2007

4. The reference to this vile smell in the car by Michael Wright would appear to refer to a period during July or August (i.e. after the McCanns moved to the villa)

5. Ditto for the neighbour who saw the car parked outside the villa night after night after night with its boot open

Therefore the exceptionally vile smell arose on a date in July or August 2007
What we also know is, the dogs detected the smell of death in the wardrobe of A5 department. The blood dog did not. However, both the cadaver dog and the blood dog reacted to something behind the sofa. So, from this we can gather that a bleeding body had been in that area. It doesn't necessarily mean that the blood and the scent of death was from the same person. However, we are told that no one had ever died in A5, so we can take it that the scent of death, behind the sofa, and in the wardrobe could only have come from one person.

Going back to the wardrobe, we see a photograph of a "blue" bag. I believe that this photograph was taken in the early morning of the 4th May 2007. After that date, the McCann's moved to another apartment. The blue bag was never seen again. So, where did the blue bag go to? Was it used a second time to retrieve a body, sometime AFTER the McCann's moved out of A5? And as Tony has pointed out, if this IS the case, then retrieving a body MUST have taken place, some time in July/August 2007. So, where did the scenic go during this period?

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Joss on 29.11.14 16:20

@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:
There are quite a few possibilities in this case, but according to the investigation there was evidence in the hire car and that would mean Maddie's body would have to have been transferred after a while of being stored somewhere else until that happened i would think?

Not necessarily.
The Blue tennis bag might have been heavily contaminated, placed on the shelf in the wardrobe where we see it in the photo and where Eddie alerted,
then taken to the new villa, then placed in the boot of the car, and disposed of because the smell was becoming discernible even to a human.
Handling the bag would then contaminate hands and therefore key fob.
Meanwhile somewhere else, a long way away . . .
Yes that is another strong possibility also. I thought i read there was quite a significant amount of Madeleine's hair found in the boot of the car? If she was in the bag i don't see how her hair would of been in there?


Maddy’s ‘body fluids’ found in car boot


Samples of ‘bodily fluids’ taken from a car hired by Kate and Gerry McCann had a 88 per cent match to their missing daughter.
But senior sources linked to the investigation said the DNA was not from blood, according to reports.
Police are now working on the theory that Madeleine McCann’s parents hid their daughter’s body in boot of their hire car, newspapers in Portugal claimed today.
The sample was taken from the boot, where the spare tyre is kept, the sources said.
Police also said they found so much of Madeleine’s hair in the car that it could not have been transferred from a blanket or clothes and must have come directly from her body.

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Joss on 29.11.14 16:26

@sallypelt wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Portia wrote:
So it might pay off to trace the toings & froings of the Scenic, if that hasn't been thoroughly done already
These appear to be the relevant facts:

1. The McCanns hired the Renault Scenic on 27 May 2007, 24 days after Madeleine's reported disappearance

2. It was hired by others before then; IIRC it was hired by someone from Rothely Golf Club for a week sometime in April

3. There is nothing from the hire car company (or from anyone else) to suggest that this exceptionally vile smell was present on or before 27 May 2007

4. The reference to this vile smell in the car by Michael Wright would appear to refer to a period during July or August (i.e. after the McCanns moved to the villa)

5. Ditto for the neighbour who saw the car parked outside the villa night after night after night with its boot open

Therefore the exceptionally vile smell arose on a date in July or August 2007
What we also know is, the dogs detected the smell of death in the wardrobe of A5 department. The blood dog did not. However, both the cadaver dog and the blood dog reacted to something behind the sofa. So, from this we can gather that a bleeding body had been in that area. It doesn't necessarily mean that the blood and the scent of death was from the same person. However, we are told that no one had ever died in A5, so we can take it that the scent of death, behind the sofa, and in the wardrobe could only have come from one person.

Going back to the wardrobe, we see a photograph of a "blue" bag. I believe that this photograph was taken in the early morning of the 4th May 2007. After that date, the McCann's moved to another apartment. The blue bag was never seen again. So, where did the blue bag go to? Was it used a second time to retrieve a body, sometime AFTER the McCann's moved out of A5? And as Tony has pointed out, if this IS the case, then retrieving a body MUST have taken place, some time in July/August 2007. So, where did the scenic go during this period?
Heulva???

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Post by PeterMac on 29.11.14 17:24

And we recall that Mitchell said there was no blue bag.
Which proves beyond a doubt that there WAS.

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Guest on 29.11.14 22:08

What was the provenance of the blue bag?

1. do we know how it got there: in the picture taken by the PJ? Who put it there? When?

2. do we know who owned it?

3. do we know who was in a position to take it away after its picture was taken by the PJ? Who removed it and when?

4. did the Mecs bring it from England, when they came to PDL?

exetera exetera

Ill not stoop so low as to ask whether it could have contained the folded remains of a petite 3yr old; NO, I wont!

But WHY was it removed from the cupboard it was first and conclusively photographed in; and its existence so emphaticaly denied??

Why deny a proven and provable fact?

Beats me

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Post by PeterMac on 29.11.14 22:41

@Portia wrote:
Why deny a proven and provable fact?
Beats me

A proven and provable FACT - as you observe.
Like the shutters - smashed, broken and jemmied Errr, Umm, NO
Like the door  - Hanging off its hinges Errr, Umm, NO
Like the curtains - and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did., or possibly "the curtains of the bedroom which were drawn, [demonstrates with both forearms together] that were closed, “wheesh’ like a gust of wind kind of blew them open." Errr, Umm, NO
The Force 6 gusts of wind at 10 pm, which in fact was about Force 2/3 and at an oblique angle to a heavily protected car park
The Force 2 breeze at 13 or 14:29 which in fact was about Force 4 and straight into their "alleged" faces.
The sunny hot day, which was in fact miserable and cold
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and on and on and on.
Almost every one of their provable facts has been shown to be a LIE

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Realist on 29.11.14 22:45

@Portia wrote:

Why deny a proven and provable fact?

Beats me

Some people can't tell the truth, even if it benefits them. I guess they think the truth is jus' too mundane.

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Re: New Video:"The McCann Portugal Job"

Post by Realist on 29.11.14 23:10

@Tony Bennett wrote:





I predict that a lot of people will simply switch off after a few minutes
Two, to be precise, Tony.

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In Response to points raised on Possible Portugal Job

Post by Pete WDHCo on 30.11.14 2:59

Hi
1. Name changed to Richard D Hall, god knows how i let that be wrong !!  must of been late .
2. The video is a more detailed version of my original 10 minute solving one.
as below. really you need to follow the set to make sense exactly.



This was done as i was trying to explain how easy a case this is, and why the sea should be the search place, by the way i have further reason to confirm i am right in this but !! i am putting it out to others to see if they spot stuff i did, and maybe even more, before doing a update, you all must realise its only "MY Guess - Opinion" we are all blind to the real facts .

On the rental car way to much fuss is being made , the traces would of come from residue i would guess shoes were on the floor of the wardrobe with bag on top , with maddie inside prior to moving , clothes would be stuffed on top also, thats why the strong scent still there and dogs spotted on later car maybe,
NOW ? Who would move a well hidden body and take a second chance ? with press all around and zoom lenses that can spot a ant on a tree at 200 yards ?  So cars just a secondary concern, its all to be found in the holiday week. keep looking !!

I think a search should be made in the sea off the coast, maybe its too late ? but may strike lucky and find some remains, clues !!  I think again only me thinking out loud, but i think its the ONLY way they could of pulled this off ..  Nothing else makes sense.

In any event the whole tapas lot are iffy and the staff at the resort all iffy also, indeed this is the fishiest thing i have ever seen..

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