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Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

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Post by PeterMac on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 8:04

What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.
"WELCOME" is the word they are said to have used - (Though it was probably Goebells-chell )

How many other ways could it have been put
"Parents accept that this has to be done in an effort to find the truth
Parents fearful and under great stress as they await the results
Parents resigned to the fact that all avenues have to be explored'


But no. We are told they WELCOME
verb [ trans. ]
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• react with pleasure or approval to (an event or development)



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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by woodforthetrees on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 8:43

@PeterMac wrote:What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.


The type who know there will be nothing found there and it's a very 'welcome' diversion. thumbsup

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by Sceptic on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 10:37

[quote="violet6000"]But I am not sure where--wondering if anyone else has a similar recollection? I usually read this site for info. on the case, but I also have read much of the files and GA's book, and some other blogs & Web sites here and there. It seems that not too long ago I read a description of Kate telling some kind of investigator/reporter/??? that it would not be a good idea (not in so many words, but it seemed she was averse to the idea) to investigate a certain area--I think the area was indeed a body of water not too far from their apt. I noted her comment at the time b/c obviously it would seem to suggest that one should indeed search the area in question. I know this is very vague, but I'm wondering if any other readers of this forum have come across this incident? I will continue to try to find where I read it and will repost if I can.[/quote

]Earlier a police expert wearing white protective gloves had examined the bones at the lakeside

Criminal lawyer Mr Correia has spent thousands of pounds on the search.

He insists he was told by criminals that Maddie, who was three when she disappeared, had been raped, murdered and dumped in a lake in the area within 48 hours of being snatched.

However Maddies parents have previously dismissed him as a self-publicist and said there is no evidence of a link to the reservoir.

Referring to Mr Correia, Mr Mitchell added: 'You have to question what this mans motives are.

'He has done nothing but try and get publicity for himself and has caused extreme distress to Madeleines parents.'


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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by PeterMac on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 11:32

@woodforthetrees wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.
The type who know there will be nothing found there and it's a very 'welcome' diversion.

Well quite !

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by stillsloppingout on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 11:40

@Sceptic wrote:
@violet6000 wrote:But I am not sure where--wondering if anyone else has a similar recollection? I usually read this site for info. on the case, but I also have read much of the files and GA's book, and some other blogs & Web sites here and there. It seems that not too long ago I read a description of Kate telling some kind of investigator/reporter/??? that it would not be a good idea (not in so many words, but it seemed she was averse to the idea) to investigate a certain area--I think the area was indeed a body of water not too far from their apt. I noted her comment at the time b/c obviously it would seem to suggest that one should indeed search the area in question. I know this is very vague, but I'm wondering if any other readers of this forum have come across this incident? I will continue to try to find where I read it and will repost if I can.[/quote

]Earlier a police expert wearing white protective gloves had examined the bones at the lakeside

Criminal lawyer Mr Correia has spent thousands of pounds on the search.

He insists he was told by criminals that Maddie, who was three when she disappeared, had been raped, murdered and dumped in a lake in the area within 48 hours of being snatched.

However Maddies parents have previously dismissed him as a self-publicist and said there is no evidence of a link to the reservoir.

Referring to Mr Correia, Mr Mitchell added: 'You have to question what this mans motives are.

'He has done nothing but try and get publicity for himself and has caused extreme distress to Madeleines parents.'


I always thought Kate wants the body to be discovered for burial purposes , and Gerry is the clinical one [ literally ] who totally opposes the notion . hence the bruises on her arms .
IF she is immersed in water weighted down , then it probably scuppers any DNA being recovered . but i still go for her to have been destroyed some how by incineration .
living on the coast a sea always brings up its dead . still water a body usually has to be recovered , it would literally would be like looking for a needle in a haystack , if a small craft has been used she could be anywhere within the expanse , weighted down in the silt , almost impossible without sonar scanning equipment to map the bed .hence no if it is to be believed no real urgency from the PJ to seek out her alleged resting place .

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Post by plebgate on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 11:44

Snipped  "   Rain-sodden letter found on first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance
Note was discovered outside room where three-year-old vanished in 2007
Claimed her body had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir 
Letter immediately given to police but underwater search 'never took place'"




Am I the only one who thinks this would be a strange thing to do?  Risk leaving a letter outside the room from which Maddie had vanished - how would the letter writer know that the room wasn't being watched by the police for any strange happenings on the anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.    Very risky I would have thought.   Why didn't the letter writer just send the letter to the police if they had genuine info?  

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by stillsloppingout on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 11:46

@PeterMac wrote:
@woodforthetrees wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.
The type who know there will be nothing found there and it's a very 'welcome' diversion.

Well quite !

Words like Welcome are used [ in that context ] because it is none speak . literally has no meaning in any given context , so it avails no literal clues to its reasoning or meaning , in other words its how people in certain professions talk these days , or in old money its total bolloc*s . but in there case designed bolloc*s to confuse . say something and mean multiple things , all part of the game .

As PM says watch the small fluffy rodent . if they are stating large expanse of water , really look for a desert , its all a game .

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by notlongnow on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 11:53

@plebgate wrote:Snipped  "   Rain-sodden letter found on first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance
Note was discovered outside room where three-year-old vanished in 2007
Claimed her body had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir 
Letter immediately given to police but underwater search 'never took place'"




Am I the only one who thinks this would be a strange thing to do?  Risk leaving a letter outside the room from which Maddie had vanished - how would the letter writer know that the room wasn't being watched by the police for any strange happenings on the anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.    Very risky I would have thought.   Why didn't the letter writer just send the letter to the police if they had genuine info?  
Indeed.

Can anyone give more info on this letter as it's the first i've heard of it.
Never heard of a letter being left in a missing persons case other than a ransom note in a kidnapping.

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by NickE on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 12:58

It would be very interesting to hear what Dr Amaral have to say about this letter.

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by aiyoyo on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 13:29

@woodforthetrees wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.


The type who know there will be nothing found there and it's a very 'welcome' diversion. thumbsup


Ditto.  Exactly!
Believe the opposite of what the McCanns say.

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Post by aiyoyo on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 13:36

@NickE wrote:It would be very interesting to hear what Dr Amaral have to say about this letter.


Can't be a burglator or "abductor" who had taken her that's a 100% certainty.
No burglator or "abductor" who snatched then killed their victim would return to leave a note.

It must be a prank or hoax letter.

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by Brian Griffin on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 14:06

So, out of interest, where do people think she might be?

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Post by NickE on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 14:14

@Brian Griffin wrote:So, out of interest, where do people think she might be?
Cremated and the ashes are in the UK or ashes was sprinkled around Ribiera do vascao
IMO.

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Post by kimHager on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 14:16

Or someone wrote it who goes back to PDL on the anniversary etc.to feel close to Maddy.....maybe to keep their name on the papers

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by aiyoyo on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 18:54

@Brian Griffin wrote:So, out of interest, where do people think she might be?


What?  The child, or the body?

The child? Ask Kate, she knew knew exactly what happened to her.  She was there when it happened, she said so.

As for the body, ask Gerry.  He and only he alone knew knew the exact spot he laid her to rest.

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by kimHager on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 19:17

Well a body of water makes sense.You don't need equipment like shovels etc to bury something and it would essentiallywash away any evidence. JMO

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Post by missbeetle on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 19:29

@Brian Griffin wrote:So, out of interest, where do people think she might be?
Cremated, and the ashes taken to different places...

...Huelva, for one...

...off Kate's rocks?

My thoughts only.

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Post by The Wood beyond the Trees on Wed 26 Nov 2014 - 22:31

? Dartmoor (the Exeter connection seems to crop up rather often).  Just a nagging thought.

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by Joss on Thu 27 Nov 2014 - 3:31

If we can go by GMcC's comment about finding the body to prove they killed Maddie, then my thought would be that the body was taken out to sea and dumped in the ocean. Possibly in the blue sports bag and weighted down with rocks or something heavy. Judging from GMc's comment he seemed quite assured she wouldn't be found it seems, as what parent of a missing child makes a comment like that?

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by Daryl Dixon on Thu 27 Nov 2014 - 9:38

@Joss wrote:If we can go by GMcC's comment about finding the body to prove they killed Maddie, then my thought would be that the body was taken out to sea and dumped in the ocean. Possibly in the blue sports bag and weighted down with rocks or something heavy. Judging from GMc's comment he seemed quite assured she wouldn't be found it seems, as what parent of a missing child makes a comment like that?
Well, certainly not Gerry McCann.

It was reported in the papers that the McCanns had been advised, by their lawyers, that the Portuguese authorities would struggle to press charges without a body. A close friend of the couple was then reported to have said "The legitimate question to ask Portuguese police is: 'Where is the body? Where is the evidence that Madeleine is dead?'"

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Post by Joss on Thu 27 Nov 2014 - 10:35

@Daryl Dixon wrote:
@Joss wrote:If we can go by GMcC's comment about finding the body to prove they killed Maddie, then my thought would be that the body was taken out to sea and dumped in the ocean. Possibly in the blue sports bag and weighted down with rocks or something heavy. Judging from GMc's comment he seemed quite assured she wouldn't be found it seems, as what parent of a missing child makes a comment like that?
Well, certainly not Gerry McCann.

It was reported in the papers that the McCanns had been advised, by their lawyers, that the Portuguese authorities would struggle to press charges without a body. A close friend of the couple was then reported to have said "The legitimate question to ask Portuguese police is: 'Where is the body? Where is the evidence that Madeleine is dead?'"
From this forum,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NES_NR0IOxA&feature=related
McCanns: Find the body and prove we killed her
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Post by Joss on Thu 27 Nov 2014 - 10:52

And this:

[color:5b6d=000000][size=13][size=13]In a signal that the McCanns are prepared to fight to prove their [size=13]innocence, they issue a challenge to Portuguese detectives, saying: “Find the body and prove we killed her.”[/size][/size][/size]
[color:5b6d=000000]http://www.mccannfiles.com/id29.html

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by Daryl Dixon on Thu 27 Nov 2014 - 12:02

@Joss wrote:And this:

[size=13][size=13]In a signal that the McCanns are prepared to fight to prove their [size=13]innocence, they issue a challenge to Portuguese detectives, saying: “Find the body and prove we killed her.”[/size][/size][/size]
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id29.html

It's a forum myth, Joss. Gerry McCann never said the words "Find the body and prove we killed her". It was a close friend of the couple who said "The legitimate question to ask Portuguese police is: 'Where is the body? Where is the evidence that Madeleine is dead?'" It was then reported in some of the tabloids as GM laying down a challenge to the police.

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Post by comperedna on Thu 27 Nov 2014 - 12:16

I think Daryl Dixon may be correct. The comment has been repeated over and over on the Internet as being from GM, but I have never seen definite chapter and verse.

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Re: Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Post by Realist on Thu 27 Nov 2014 - 12:24

@Joss wrote:If we can go by GMcC's comment about finding the body to prove they killed Maddie, then my thought would be that the body was taken out to sea and dumped in the ocean. Possibly in the blue sports bag and weighted down with rocks or something heavy.

But by whom, certainly not the McCanns, they never had the opportunity or resources and its highly unlikely they would have entrusted others with this task.

If in fact they had, they wouldn't be so confident the body would never be found and that charges would never be brought against them. No greater love hath man than to lay down the life of his friend to save himself. Apart from anything else, such a theory would fly in the face of the dog's scentings and body secretions relating to the McCann's rental car. You can't have it both ways.

As for the so called challenge, it was actually Mitchell who laid down the gauntlet when he stated that it was for the police to prove their guilt, not for them to prove their innocence.

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