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Post by ShuBob on 20.11.14 21:58

Murata IS a witness. At the very least, he saw the aftermath of the disappearance and even interpreted for some of the tapas members. The finger of guilt was also pointed at him by some of these people. It will be a travesty is he isn't interviewed as part of any new investigation. Same goes for the tapas 9 and people like Jez Wilkins and Bridget O'Donnell.

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solved FromTwitter - Neatly put !

Post by PeterMac on 20.11.14 22:36

"If back in 2007 the smell of death had been detected in Murat's home, car and on his clothing would he be a free man right now  ? "


Well, Kate ?  What do you think. You wanted to Kill him, published that to the world, and so far as anyone knows you have never apologised or tried to resile from that position.
From which we assume your Fatwah still holds . . . ?

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Post by PeterMac on 20.11.14 22:43

@NickE wrote:Why does he want to be questioned by police if he was "cleared" and have no information to tell ?

Perhaps he has information which the PJ did not find, and in their rush to believe the lying Tapas 7 and make him "arguido" got lost, and which he has never had the opportunity to reveal.
Perhaps he is wanting to have the opportunity to say things that previously he had been reluctant to.
Perhaps he has grown to live with whatever things were haunting his private life, and is now over them and determined to tell the truth, no matter what . . .

This could happen to one of more of the tapas group as well, of course.
Is eternal damnation - on earth as well as in the afterlife - worse than a few weeks of ridicule and some largely misinformed criticism ?
If you do the right thing, then ultimately people will acknowledge that .

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Post by maebee on 20.11.14 23:55

The Met launched a fresh investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, codenamed Operation Grange, in July 2013

They might be out by two years but at least there's no mention of Abduction. "Missing" and "disappearance" are a step in the right direction.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 21.11.14 0:11

@maebee wrote:
The Met launched a fresh investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, codenamed Operation Grange, in July 2013

They might be out by two years but at least there's no mention of Abduction. "Missing" and "disappearance" are a step in the right direction.

Not sure of the timings, but technically wasn't it a review to begin with in 2011 and then an investigation from July 2013?

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Post by aiyoyo on 21.11.14 8:35

@PeterMac wrote:
@NickE wrote:Why does he want to be questioned by police if he was "cleared" and have no information to tell ?

Perhaps he has information which the PJ did not find, and in their rush to believe the lying Tapas 7 and make him "arguido" got lost, and which he has never had the opportunity to reveal.
Perhaps he is wanting to have the opportunity to say things that previously he had been reluctant to.


He did not volunteer / come forward to speak to the PJ/SY when the investigation was reopened, that says something.

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Post by Daryl Dixon on 21.11.14 9:33

@PeterMac wrote:
@NickE wrote:Why does he want to be questioned by police if he was "cleared" and have no information to tell ?

Perhaps he has information which the PJ did not find, and in their rush to believe the lying Tapas 7 and make him "arguido" got lost, and which he has never had the opportunity to reveal.
Perhaps he is wanting to have the opportunity to say things that previously he had been reluctant to.
Perhaps he has grown to live with whatever things were haunting his private life, and is now over them and determined to tell the truth, no matter what . . .

This could happen to one of more of the tapas group as well, of course.
Is eternal damnation - on earth as well as in the afterlife - worse than a few weeks of ridicule and some largely misinformed criticism ?
If you do the right thing, then ultimately people will acknowledge that .

I fail to see what information Murat could possibly have as a witness when he was sitting indoors having cups of tea with his mum all evening. He was apparently unaware that a child had gone missing until the morning. It's a good job that he has such an ironclad alibi... provided by his mother, sigh.

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Post by BlueBag on 21.11.14 10:15

@Daryl Dixon wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@NickE wrote:Why does he want to be questioned by police if he was "cleared" and have no information to tell ?

Perhaps he has information which the PJ did not find, and in their rush to believe the lying Tapas 7 and make him "arguido" got lost, and which he has never had the opportunity to reveal.
Perhaps he is wanting to have the opportunity to say things that previously he had been reluctant to.
Perhaps he has grown to live with whatever things were haunting his private life, and is now over them and determined to tell the truth, no matter what . . .

This could happen to one of more of the tapas group as well, of course.
Is eternal damnation - on earth as well as in the afterlife - worse than a few weeks of ridicule and some largely misinformed criticism ?
If you do the right thing, then ultimately people will acknowledge that .

I fail to see what information Murat could possibly have as a witness when he was sitting indoors having cups of tea with his mum all evening. He was apparently unaware that a child had gone missing until the morning. It's a good job that he has such an ironclad alibi... provided by his mother, sigh.
Maybe he saw something between Tuesday evening and Thursday evening.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 21.11.14 10:25

@Daryl Dixon wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@NickE wrote:Why does he want to be questioned by police if he was "cleared" and have no information to tell ?

Perhaps he has information which the PJ did not find, and in their rush to believe the lying Tapas 7 and make him "arguido" got lost, and which he has never had the opportunity to reveal.
Perhaps he is wanting to have the opportunity to say things that previously he had been reluctant to.
Perhaps he has grown to live with whatever things were haunting his private life, and is now over them and determined to tell the truth, no matter what . . .

This could happen to one of more of the tapas group as well, of course.
Is eternal damnation - on earth as well as in the afterlife - worse than a few weeks of ridicule and some largely misinformed criticism ?
If you do the right thing, then ultimately people will acknowledge that .

I fail to see what information Murat could possibly have as a witness when he was sitting indoors having cups of tea with his mum all evening. He was apparently unaware that a child had gone missing until the morning. It's a good job that he has such an ironclad alibi... provided by his mother, sigh.

Alibi would be absolutely bombproof if someone had turned up at his door that evening & seen him with his mother, in her pyjamas, looking all angelic and like, you know......Anytime between 6-30 & 7 for between 30 seconds or 30 minutes.......... laughat

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Post by NickE on 21.11.14 11:04

@BlueBag wrote:
@Daryl Dixon wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@NickE wrote:Why does he want to be questioned by police if he was "cleared" and have no information to tell ?

Perhaps he has information which the PJ did not find, and in their rush to believe the lying Tapas 7 and make him "arguido" got lost, and which he has never had the opportunity to reveal.
Perhaps he is wanting to have the opportunity to say things that previously he had been reluctant to.
Perhaps he has grown to live with whatever things were haunting his private life, and is now over them and determined to tell the truth, no matter what . . .

This could happen to one of more of the tapas group as well, of course.
Is eternal damnation - on earth as well as in the afterlife - worse than a few weeks of ridicule and some largely misinformed criticism ?
If you do the right thing, then ultimately people will acknowledge that .

I fail to see what information Murat could possibly have as a witness when he was sitting indoors having cups of tea with his mum all evening. He was apparently unaware that a child had gone missing until the morning. It's a good job that he has such an ironclad alibi... provided by his mother, sigh.
Maybe he saw something between Tuesday evening and Thursday evening.
Yes,I agree, and hopefully the police have looked closer at the days earlier that week. Sagres, Burgau, crying incident, the phone calls, Creche Records ... unt zu weiter

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Post by ShuBob on 21.11.14 15:58

@aiyoyo wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@NickE wrote:Why does he want to be questioned by police if he was "cleared" and have no information to tell ?

Perhaps he has information which the PJ did not find, and in their rush to believe the lying Tapas 7 and make him "arguido" got lost, and which he has never had the opportunity to reveal.
Perhaps he is wanting to have the opportunity to say things that previously he had been reluctant to.


He did not volunteer / come forward to speak to the PJ/SY when the investigation was reopened, that says something.

Is this a fact?

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Post by j.rob on 21.11.14 16:48

Given that, imo, this has all been some kind of giant scam, then you need to follow the money.

Which potential suspects have financially benefited as a result of the disappearance of Madeleine? (Of course a lot of people have benefitted financially from Madeleine's disappearance such as lawyers/detectives/spin doctors/PR and marketing firms/Sky/media in general. To name but a few. The ethics of this is all highly dubious, imo, but they are not potential suspects. More like vultures, really.)

Potential suspects who financially benefited from Madeleine's disappearance:

1. The McCanns - with The Fund to allegedly 'find' her but in reality to Carter Ruck themselves up to the eye-balls. And win libel suits to make more money.

2. The Tapas crowd - were awarded pay-outs from damages when the Express was sued for libel by Carter Ruck (a law suit at least partly funded by the general public - if The Fund had been used for legal costs?)

3. Robert Murat. Received £600,000 for the the 'stress and suffering' of being made a patsy (or so it would seem to me. As has been noted in a thread elsewhere, he was remarkably unfazed, despite what he claims and despite that ridiculously staged, imo, taped telephone conversation between Martin Brunt of Sky and Robert Murat. I'm convinced that was deliberately staged .)

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Post by j.rob on 21.11.14 17:01

Check out the Brunt - Murat taped telephone conversation. There is even a gloriously obvious deception when Martin Brunt is talking to either Murat or Murat's mother Jennifer and she tells Brunt that Robert has been made 'arguido'. Brunt asks Jennifer what this means. She then asks Robert and explains what it means to Martin Brunt.

lol4

Yeah, like the chief crime correspondent at Sky TV who is wrapped up in the case as closely as a fly in a spider's web, imo, has to ask Robert Murat's mother what 'arguido' means? Pull the other one. And this is days, weeks even, after Madeleine's alleged 'abduction' and he still hasn't worked out what 'arguido' means? Even as he speaks on the phone to the self-appointed (apparently) police translator who has been pulled in for questioning??

More McScam, methinks.

Kate similarly in her book claims to have been completely clueless about how the police/legal process in Portugal works. Not knowing the difference between the GNR and the PJ. When no doubt both Kate and Gerry had done their home-work on this score.  Albeit not enough to be remotely convincing in either their actions and  behaviour or their police statements, imo. 

The Mcs and Tapas really did fluff their lines, imo. No wonder Brunt looks like a man condemned. 

A theory, as always.

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Post by Guest on 21.11.14 18:20

@j.rob wrote:Given that, imo, this has all been some kind of giant scam, then you need to follow the money.

Which potential suspects have financially benefited as a result of the disappearance of Madeleine? (Of course a lot of people have benefitted financially from Madeleine's disappearance such as lawyers/detectives/spin doctors/PR and marketing firms/Sky/media in general. To name but a few. The ethics of this is all highly dubious, imo, but they are not potential suspects. More like vultures, really.)

Potential suspects who financially benefited from Madeleine's disappearance:

1. The McCanns - with The Fund to allegedly 'find' her but in reality to Carter Ruck themselves up to the eye-balls. And win libel suits to make more money.

2. The Tapas crowd - were awarded pay-outs from damages when the Express was sued for libel by Carter Ruck (a law suit at least partly funded by the general public - if The Fund had been used for legal costs?)

3. Robert Murat. Received £600,000 for the the 'stress and suffering' of being made a patsy (or so it would seem to me. As has been noted in a thread elsewhere, he was remarkably unfazed, despite what he claims and despite that ridiculously staged, imo, taped telephone conversation between Martin Brunt of Sky and Robert Murat. I'm convinced that was deliberately staged .)

Yep follow the money.

And maybe I'd add the MSM itself as well j.rob

All imo

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Post by j.rob on 21.11.14 19:21

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
@j.rob wrote:Given that, imo, this has all been some kind of giant scam, then you need to follow the money.

Which potential suspects have financially benefited as a result of the disappearance of Madeleine? (Of course a lot of people have benefitted financially from Madeleine's disappearance such as lawyers/detectives/spin doctors/PR and marketing firms/Sky/media in general. To name but a few. The ethics of this is all highly dubious, imo, but they are not potential suspects. More like vultures, really.)

Potential suspects who financially benefited from Madeleine's disappearance:

1. The McCanns - with The Fund to allegedly 'find' her but in reality to Carter Ruck themselves up to the eye-balls. And win libel suits to make more money.

2. The Tapas crowd - were awarded pay-outs from damages when the Express was sued for libel by Carter Ruck (a law suit at least partly funded by the general public - if The Fund had been used for legal costs?)

3. Robert Murat. Received £600,000 for the the 'stress and suffering' of being made a patsy (or so it would seem to me. As has been noted in a thread elsewhere, he was remarkably unfazed, despite what he claims and despite that ridiculously staged, imo, taped telephone conversation between Martin Brunt of Sky and Robert Murat. I'm convinced that was deliberately staged .)

Yep follow the money.

And maybe I'd add the MSM itself as well j.rob

All imo


Yes indeed. I am still curious about the headline of that dreadful article -exonerating the McCanns - that Bridget O'Donnell - wife of TV drama director Jez Wilkins - who 'just happened' (Jez that is) to be in a crucial place at a crucial time that night and even bumped into Gerry on his alleged 'last check' - wrote, I think in December 2007 for The Guardian.

The title was: 'My months with Madeleine.'

????

Jez and Bridget are supposed to have met the McCanns that week on holiday so how could Bridget have had 'months' with Madeleine? Maybe Madeleine was supposed to have had months with Bridget? But, didn't because there was 'a disaster'.


IMO

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Post by aquila on 21.11.14 19:43

@j.rob wrote:
BlackCatBoogie wrote:
@j.rob wrote:Given that, imo, this has all been some kind of giant scam, then you need to follow the money.

Which potential suspects have financially benefited as a result of the disappearance of Madeleine? (Of course a lot of people have benefitted financially from Madeleine's disappearance such as lawyers/detectives/spin doctors/PR and marketing firms/Sky/media in general. To name but a few. The ethics of this is all highly dubious, imo, but they are not potential suspects. More like vultures, really.)

Potential suspects who financially benefited from Madeleine's disappearance:

1. The McCanns - with The Fund to allegedly 'find' her but in reality to Carter Ruck themselves up to the eye-balls. And win libel suits to make more money.

2. The Tapas crowd - were awarded pay-outs from damages when the Express was sued for libel by Carter Ruck (a law suit at least partly funded by the general public - if The Fund had been used for legal costs?)

3. Robert Murat. Received £600,000 for the the 'stress and suffering' of being made a patsy (or so it would seem to me. As has been noted in a thread elsewhere, he was remarkably unfazed, despite what he claims and despite that ridiculously staged, imo, taped telephone conversation between Martin Brunt of Sky and Robert Murat. I'm convinced that was deliberately staged .)

Yep follow the money.

And maybe I'd add the MSM itself as well j.rob

All imo


Yes indeed. I am still curious about the headline of that dreadful article -exonerating the McCanns - that Bridget O'Donnell - wife of TV drama director Jez Wilkins - who 'just happened' (Jez that is) to be in a crucial place at a crucial time that night and even bumped into Gerry on his alleged 'last check' - wrote, I think in December 2007 for The Guardian.

The title was: 'My months with Madeleine.'

????

Jez and Bridget are supposed to have met the McCanns that week on holiday so how could Bridget have had 'months' with Madeleine? Maybe Madeleine was supposed to have had months with Bridget? But, didn't because there was 'a disaster'.


IMO
Here's the link to the article

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

My months with Madeleine
It was a welcome spring break, a chance to relax at a child-friendly resort in Portugal. Soon Bridget O'Donnell and her partner were making friends with another holidaying family while their three-year-old daughters played together. But then Madeleine McCann went missing and everyone was sucked into a nightmare


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Post by j.rob on 22.11.14 14:57

Thanks Aquila.


Madeleine McCann went missing and everyone was sucked into a nightmare



Interesting that who-ever wrote the headline does not write: 'Madeline was abducted' but rather 'went missing'. 

I also find the phrase 'everyone was sucked into a nightmare' of considerable interest. I think it did end up being a nightmare for Jes and Bridget. Although it doesn't appear to have done either of their careers any harm.

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