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ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by Doug D on 21.11.14 18:28

http://www.channel5.com/shows/madeleine-mccann-a-global-obsession/episodes/madelaine-mccann-a-global-obsession

Demand 5 link still working for me. You have to put up with a couple of minutes of adverts at the start which stutter a bit, but the actual programme seems to play ok.

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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by onehand on 21.11.14 18:35

just try it by feeding the complete title into your you tube version or other video upload sites for your country.

germany is very difficult, because of their law on copyrights. the rest of the world is often just sheer luck, in the weekend there is a bit less taken down, but lots of tv companies are pretty quick to get it offline.

in the netherlands we can't use the the channel 5 website or their you tube account, but the private uploads are still to see.

you could also give those 3 a try: 

http://www.channel5.com/shows/madeleine-mccann-a-global-obsession/episodes/madelaine-mccann-a-global-obsession
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YqRGny1G4M
 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/SWqLIfusBXVHo

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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by Brian Griffin on 21.11.14 19:57

@j.rob wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
@sonic72 wrote:So they were supposedly advised to not show any emotions so the 'abductor' would not get off on them, yet they were advised for the safety of the child not to go to the media, but they went against that advice!

I dont buy the lack of emotions excuse at all, especially when they ignored the police's advice from the start.

Moi aussi, Sonic

This would appear to be both an apt and authoritative definition of the difference between abduction and kidnapping:

"Abduction is when someone uses deceit or force in order to take a person or a child away from their home or relatives. The abductors do not reveal their motive for taking away the person or the child. Merriam Webster defines ‘abduction’ as, “to seize and take away (as a person) by force.” In legal definition, the victim knows or has some sort of relation with the abductor. The victim can be a minor or an adult.

The most common cases of abduction are seen in divorce cases, where one parent is given the sole custody of a child. The person who abducts is not holding the person for profit or any monetary gain from the victim. The laws for abduction crimes vary from state to state and country to country, depending on the severity of the crime.

Kidnapping is taking away or forcefully transporting a person against their will and holding them in false imprisonment, a confinement without legal authority. The kidnapping is usually done for a motive or for ransom. ‘Kidnapping’ is defined as, “to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom."

As far as I'm aware in either case perceived wisdom is, as it was both in and pre-2007, for the victim(s) of such heinous crimes to make every effort to emotionally and otherwise engage with abductors/kidnappers.  

For the parents/close relatives of a victim of abduction or kidnapping to be advised to do anything less would appear to be on a par with asserting that leaving infants out of sight and earshot in unlocked premises, while those reponsible for their welfare comport themselves some considerable distance away, falls within the remit of  'responsible parenting'.

In cases of kidnapping in particular, it's not unusual for a total news blackout to be imposed in order that negotiations for the victim's return can be undertaken without spooking the perpetrator(s); in those rare cases of stranger abduction, the media can provide a conduit through which an attempt can be made to reach out to the perpetrator(s) and establish some common ground which may serve to facilitate the swift return of the abductee to the bosom of their family.  

As always, with regard to the disappearance of their daughter the McCanns' demeanour defies common logic and their behaviour cannot be supported in fact or in law.
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This is what makes this case such a brazen and obvious hoax, imo. 

If this had been one of those very rare cases of abduction of a child (as opposed to kidnapping in which money is the incentive) then the motive is often (not always but often) sexual/violent. The child may be found alive but usually only if police can get a lead very quickly. Of course there are those very rare cases where children are abducted and live with their (often paedophile) abductors for years either hidden away or under a false identity. But in neither of these cases is money the primary motive.

In a case of kidnapping, by definition money is a motive. So if Madeleine's abductors had taken her away as part of a kidnap plot, then you would expect a demand for a ransom.

And often in cases where children have either been abducted or kidnapped parents will literally use up their life savings to try to find out what happened. They not untypically undergo incredibly traumatic life changes as a result of the loss of their beloved child. Giving up work, giving up their life savings in a painstaking attempt to find out what happened to their child. Especially if there has been incompetence and/or corruption within the police investigation. Or other authorities who wish to cover up what happened to the child as it would lead to adverse publicity, perhaps. Or prevent people from visiting the country. Or shine a bad light on people/organisations/a country.

And of course if it is a kidnapping and the child is held hostage for a ransom and the powers that be do not want to open up the flood-gates for a host of future kidnappings by giving in to the ransom, then, given that the child's life and certainly well-being will be at stake, then the parents', for fear of their child's life, might be driven to pay out a huge ransom, putting themselves into massive debt. What genuinely loving parent would rather see their child die than give up their life-savings and more? The kidnappers have taken what is most precious in a parent's life. 

So the parents are desperate and the kidnapper can lever the situation for maximum financial gain.

The grieving parent's relationships/marriages can break down under the stress. Or one or other may blame their partner for not being vigilant enough, for instance, or for making a decision that put the child at risk, even if completely inadvertently.

But the McCanns have reversed all this. Becoming parents who financially gained from the loss of their daughter.

In effect, this 'proves' the hoax. The McCanns are the kidnappers, imo. It was they and/or their accomplices who were responsible for the 'disappearance' of their daughter. It was they who demanded and financially gained from their own 'ransom' to the world - The Fund. Because 'out there' somewhere in 'the world' is the naughty man who 'stole' Madeleine from her bed that night. So every member of 'the world' - apart from the McCanns and their acolytes - has to contribute to the 'ransom' by donating to 'The Fund.'

Nice work if you can get it.

Con-artists. On such a grand scale!

Still, they are not the first people to have benefited  from the suspicious loss of a child (the Smarts and JonRamsay Bennett's parents in America, for instance, I believe are other very high profile examples. Albeit with totally different outcomes and motives. But still good examples,)

How ironic that a member of the McCann family said that 'nothing of value was stolen from the apartment'. That tells you everything you want to know. Madeleine was of no value to them per se, imo, her value lay in the potential to exhort a 'ransom' - The Fund. And trick a very gullible pubic, most of whom could not comprehend how anyone could be so brazenly duplicitous. Not to mention heartless.

IMO
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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by Brian Griffin on 21.11.14 20:05

@j.rob wrote:Still, judging by the look on Brunt's face up there - not to mention Kate - I would say that the party is coming to an end.

One can but hope. 

Come on SY.
Is the image of old Killer post Brenda? He certainly looks worn down from it. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for journo pond life!

Isn't the one of Kate on that day GA pulled his courtroom switcheroo? That was class! clapping Was this 'face like a slapped arse' photo after the press conference or before? I'm guessing after because she'd just dropped the line about having to bewk flights arrange childcare in the UK. titter And Gerry was visibly annoyed at it. They forgot to hold hands too so no secret signals. Amazing how badly they handle things when they are on the backfoot (for a change).

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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by Lance De Boils on 22.11.14 0:23

Thanks for the links folks. I'll try them tomorrow.  smilie

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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by Carrry On Doctor on 22.11.14 8:48

Just watched it all the way through and have a feeling of bewilderment. How can so many seasoned media people be hoodwinked ?

Around about 41 minutes GM says he is more hopeful of finding M now than in the early days, whist at the same time shaking his head to actually mean the reverse.

When the truth comes out....and it will....there will be some serious backtracking.

IMO

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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by Brian Griffin on 22.11.14 9:05

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:Just watched it all the way through and have a feeling of bewilderment. How can so many seasoned media people be hoodwinked ?
My guess is that they're not! They just have to toe the party line and suck up to the McCanns...or else!

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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by aquila on 22.11.14 9:23

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:Just watched it all the way through and have a feeling of bewilderment. How can so many seasoned media people be hoodwinked ?

Around about 41 minutes GM says he is more hopeful of finding M now than in the early days, whist at the same time shaking his head to actually mean the reverse.

When the truth comes out....and it will....there will be some serious backtracking.

IMO
That brings to mind the lovely get-out clause used by the Mirror when Peers Morgan was sacked for publishing hoax photos of British soldiers abusing an Iraqi

"In a statement the Mirror said it had fallen victim to a "calculated and malicious hoax"

I think that sort of statement will just about cover all manner of things for the MSM....the drama

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm



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Re: ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

Post by brixham on 22.11.14 21:29

Having watched the programme again I actually think it was the most anti McCann programme I have seen.

I have never, or at least not for many years, heard mention of the cadaver odour on national TV; “Corpse odour was apparently discovered in the McCanns’ bedroom by the wardrobe, in the living room behind the sofa and outside on the veranda and in a flower bed, and a car that the McCanns had hired to spread the word of the campaign 25 days after Madeleines disappearance was also apparently found to have corpse odour in the boot.”

Also there was mention that the patio doors were left unlocked whilst the children were left alone in the apartment, part of the McCanns’ story that again most people would be completely unaware of.

Amaral was pictured holding his book and alongside him there was provided a handy translation of the title into English.

A phone call from Jill Renwick to TVAM on the morning of 4th May was intriguing; she said “They’d left about 8 and went back in at 9 and they were fine and went back in at 10 and she’s gone” Not quite half hourly checks then. 

Maybe MO’s 9.30 check wasn’t in place of Kates check, maybe he had just been asked by Kate to see what was taking Gerry so long? Now MO is in 5A at 9.30 and finds himself checking if the twins are breathing; as he says in his rogatory -  they were breathing and that's what, you know, and that was what I was there to check’

All just my own opinions.

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