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ANOTHER TV programme about Madeleine - Tuesday 18 November, 7pm, Channel 5 - 'Madeleine McCann: A Global Obsession'

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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements on 19.11.14 6:45

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
@Benion wrote:To be fair, you cannot blame the media for their stance on this. They are a commercial business. The last thing anyone wants is to find themselves being sued by the McCanns. I always stay very guarded about this case as I believe one day the McCanns will come after joe public and I do not want to find myself in court.

I wouldn't worry about that too much, they can't take everyone to court, it would run into the hundreds of thousands laughat

When I was a member of the 3As I used to chat to a woman who was a private detective and she once told me that she'd checked out a fellow member's financial details bigshock so if she can do that then what's to stop the McC's from employing a Private detective to do the same - to check us all out to see who's worth suing? After all, Kate McCann said she had to "pick her battles".

Plus the McCann's have got financial backing from Brian Kennedy who's got millions. Smethhurst has also got millions and he's a fund director.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 19.11.14 7:07

@Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
@Benion wrote:To be fair, you cannot blame the media for their stance on this. They are a commercial business. The last thing anyone wants is to find themselves being sued by the McCanns. I always stay very guarded about this case as I believe one day the McCanns will come after joe public and I do not want to find myself in court.

I wouldn't worry about that too much, they can't take everyone to court, it would run into the hundreds of thousands laughat

When I was a member of the 3As I used to chat to a woman who was a private detective and she once told me that she'd checked out a fellow member's financial details bigshock so if she can do that then what's to stop the McC's from employing a Private detective to do the same - to check us all out to see who's worth suing? After all, Kate McCann said she had to "pick her battles".

Plus the McCann's have got financial backing from Brian Kennedy who's got millions. Smethhurst has also got millions and he's a fund director.
They only need to pick one person as an example and give it us much publicity as possible - that should not be hard for them to do as the media will quite happily step in to help.

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Post by aquila on 19.11.14 7:26

I watched the documentary last night. I didn't find anything particularly shocking about it and found it to be quite balanced. In fact, I found it bland.

Of course there were inaccuracies re the banning of Amaral's book in so much as the ban was over-turned but the media were hardly likely to mention that. There was also a bit of sycophantic stuff but on the whole I found it to be quite balanced.

Quite why there was a need to produce the documentary and release it at this time is another matter.

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Post by worriedmum on 19.11.14 13:00

@aquila wrote:I watched the documentary last night. I didn't find anything particularly shocking about it and found it to be quite balanced. In fact, I found it bland.

Of course there were inaccuracies re the banning of Amaral's book in so much as the ban was over-turned but the media were hardly likely to mention that. There was also a bit of sycophantic stuff but on the whole I found it to be quite balanced.

Quite why there was a need to produce the documentary and release it at this time is another matter.
 To help feed the 'global obsession'?

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Post by stillsloppingout on 19.11.14 13:09

@SixMillionQuid wrote:
@Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
@Benion wrote:To be fair, you cannot blame the media for their stance on this. They are a commercial business. The last thing anyone wants is to find themselves being sued by the McCanns. I always stay very guarded about this case as I believe one day the McCanns will come after joe public and I do not want to find myself in court.

I wouldn't worry about that too much, they can't take everyone to court, it would run into the hundreds of thousands laughat

When I was a member of the 3As I used to chat to a woman who was a private detective and she once told me that she'd checked out a fellow member's financial details bigshock so if she can do that then what's to stop the McC's from employing a Private detective to do the same - to check us all out to see who's worth suing? After all, Kate McCann said she had to "pick her battles".

Plus the McCann's have got financial backing from Brian Kennedy who's got millions. Smethhurst has also got millions and he's a fund director.
They only need to pick one person as an example and give it us much publicity as possible - that should not be hard for them to do as the media will quite happily

step in to help.

They Have IMO Poor Brenda .

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Post by aquila on 19.11.14 13:11

@worriedmum wrote:
@aquila wrote:I watched the documentary last night. I didn't find anything particularly shocking about it and found it to be quite balanced. In fact, I found it bland.

Of course there were inaccuracies re the banning of Amaral's book in so much as the ban was over-turned but the media were hardly likely to mention that. There was also a bit of sycophantic stuff but on the whole I found it to be quite balanced.

Quite why there was a need to produce the documentary and release it at this time is another matter.
 To help feed the 'global obsession'?
Possibly, I'd love to see the viewing figures though.

I can't imagine Channel 5 (and their demographically profiled audience) can muster up much interest in the McCanns on prime time viewing.

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Post by Realist on 19.11.14 13:56

@Okeydokey wrote:

For me this is the fundamental issue.  If the media can close down debate on the biggest ever crime in the history of the UK, what can't they close down debate on?

This is fundamentally an issue about free speech.

I know for many people it is an issue about Madeleine, and I respect that. But for me and many others the key issue is that we have to resist a media manipulation campaign of such vast proportions.


It never ceases to amaze me why people even bother listening to or reading anything  relating to the media, let alone get in an apoplectic state over its inane contents,  the media are a military machine, the handmaidens and propaganda wing of governments.

Although in all fairness, newspapers can serve a useful purpose,  I regularly collect  a bundle of Metro copies from the local station to use for lighting my fires  during the winter months.

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Post by Joss on 19.11.14 16:57

@Realist wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:

For me this is the fundamental issue.  If the media can close down debate on the biggest ever crime in the history of the UK, what can't they close down debate on?

This is fundamentally an issue about free speech.

I know for many people it is an issue about Madeleine, and I respect that. But for me and many others the key issue is that we have to resist a media manipulation campaign of such vast proportions.


It never ceases to amaze me why people even bother listening to or reading anything  relating to the media, let alone get in an apoplectic state over its inane contents,  the media are a military machine, the handmaidens and propaganda wing of governments.

Although in all fairness, newspapers can serve a useful purpose,  I regularly collect  a bundle of Metro copies from the local station to use for lighting my fires  during the winter months.
I think they call it being dumbed down, and a lot of people don't realize what a lot of others have already realized. But maybe they will catch up eventually. But agree with what you are saying.

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Post by PeterMac on 19.11.14 17:11

Didn't see it, and can't watch the repeat
BUT there is a very interesting commentary on Twitter #mccann at the moment about the inclusion of an interview with the father of another "Missing child"
Daniel Entwhistle
http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsandevents/unsolvedcases/missingpersons/danielentwistle.aspx

suggesting that this same father is a convicted pae****

I won't post the details for obvious reasons but look at
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=944767642217942&id=100000541460343
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152606867974387&set=pcb.801906206538149&type=1&theater
and go on from there
Apparently Ch 5 have already whooshed references to the programme from their facebook page !

Hmmm. Another own goal ?

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No idea if it is the same person

Post by PeterMac on 19.11.14 17:16

total failure by the production company and their researchers they wanted another tool for comparison and look what they dig up from the dozens they could have asked they didn't dream to approach kerry needham it just goes to show how the team mc spin is failing using a sex offender and hounded a lady to here death in their marketing campaign
doesn't wear well does it

john coxon a mother who lied about downloading child porn to protect her sex offender son has been jailed alongside him. christine entwistle, 49, was working as the deputy manager of a primary school care club when she schemed with her son, david, to cover up his crimes. manchester crown court heard that david entwistle, 32, was first convicted of child porn offences two-and-half years ago. he was banned from using computers except for work or educational purposes by a sexual offences prevention order as part of his punishment. in february last year entwistle, formerly of manchester road, oldham, was arrested because his use of facebook breached the order. when his computer was scoured, it was found he had been downloading child porn again – this time of victims as young as five. the pervert claimed that his internet use was allowed because his mother had been doing the typing. he said she sent facebook messages on his behalf – and went to adult porn sites for him. entwistle attempted to explain away the child porn images by saying they had ‘popped up’ while he and his mother were surfing the web for adult material, and that she had clicked ‘save’ by mistake. christine entwistle, of otley close, chadderton, backed up his story to police and faced charges of downloading child pornography. but, after keeping up the lie for almost a year, she admitted she had not downloaded the illegal images. now, after admitting perverting the course of public justice, she has been jailed for seven months. david entwistle, who admitted making and possessing the four illegal images, some of which depicted child abuse, at an earlier hearing, was jailed for 15 months. sentencing, judge roger thomas qc said there was ‘no alternative’ but to jail them.

Of course they are bumping it off their Facebook pages just shows what a sham that documentary was and it's production team those poor victims imagine the harm this could have caused absolutely diabolical

John Coxon He went out on his bike in a village in Norfolk to go to the corner shop, he was seen on the shop CCTV his bike was found next to a wall where there was a fifteen foot sheer drop into a river, he has never been seen since, this was a year after the Soham Murders, ENTWHISTLE was convicted of downloading child pornography a few years ago, he got 15 months a couple of google searches turned that up, how come Channel 5 DIDN´T know this - even they can´t be that much of a joke

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Still more on the Abduction of Scam Facebook

Post by PeterMac on 19.11.14 17:19

https://www.facebook.com/groups/jkjoannekilcoyne/



Keith Dutton added 2 new photos.
these are the images of a person by the name of DAVID ENTWISTLE who was, in a group of four blokes, one being his brother Gordon and of which one of the four, as reported in the Lancashire Evening Telegraph back in 87-88, was reported to have been due in court to answer, at he age of 27-28, of having sex with a 10-11 year old minor. One of the four was also to answer a charge of Gross Indecency with an 8 year old girl

Kathy Bell Hello Frances, I must admit that while I was furious at the lack of respect shown to Madeleine and they way the McCanns were portrayed as the victims, I have now come round to your way of thinking, that the programme has done the McCanns no favours. If this programme had been shown 7½ yrs. ago, when many people weren't aware of the facts, Madeleine's fund would have been swelled with money from sympathetic donors. More and more people now believe the McCanns story of events is fake and are waking up to the fact that they should now be brought to justice.

Pat Moran Sol that explains it not being on This Morning - thanks for letting us all know Rosemary.

Frances Gallagher Channel 5 are not allowing any more comments. ..Kathy CH5 must have had an inkling. .Surely they have a research team to see if there is any dirt that could potentially be thrown at this father?

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Post by Sceptic on 19.11.14 18:01

Ms Bachrach added: “They were told by child abduction experts ‘If you cry on television…the kidnapper might get off on that.’ Horrible though that sounds, so she (Kate, mother) had to keep a stoic face on television. She couldn’t weep, she couldn’t look distraught and so she looked kind of like a robot.”

Has any other parent of a missing child been given this advice?

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Post by noddy100 on 19.11.14 18:08

@Sceptic wrote:Ms Bachrach added: “They were told by child abduction experts ‘If you cry on television…the kidnapper might get off on that.’ Horrible though that sounds, so she (Kate, mother) had to keep a stoic face on television. She couldn’t weep, she couldn’t look distraught and so she looked kind of like a robot.”

Has any other parent of a missing child been given this advice?
How quickly did these child abduction experts give them this advice
They must have been there pretty sharpish because they were pretty emotionless from day one

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Post by Naz_Nomad on 19.11.14 18:12

@Benion wrote:I think if they go for joe public, they will start on Twitter. There was a guy who was rumoured to be a paedophile, think he was a lord, anyway it turned out he was an innocent man and he tried to sue every Twitter user who defamed him. In the end I think he just settled on Sally Bercow, but at one stage he was after everyone.

It didn't "turn out he was an innocent man", the disgusting turd used Machiavellian tactics to make out he was the "victim" of something, created a lot of confusion as to who his accuser was talking about, and stole £350,000 or so from the BBC and ITV, who paid up without a squeak within days, for airing the story.  Sally Bercow paid up £50,000 despite not even mentioning what the revolting specimen did.  The dead paedophile Lord McAlpine even wrote a book about Machiavelli, and how to use his tactics against accusers and rivals.

Spread false defeat to gain public sympathy; or false accusation and then arrange for it to be exposed as such – so the accuser will forever be treated with suspicion.

And that’s precisely the point – to shut up all talk about child abuse by top politicians. 

Fortunately for mankind in general, but unfortunately for his victims, the paedophile Lord is now dead.  I hope his passing was full of pain and suffering, and he roasts slowly in a corner of hell reserved for the most evil of evildoers, for eternity.

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Post by Brian Griffin on 19.11.14 18:16

@worriedmum wrote:
@aquila wrote:I watched the documentary last night. I didn't find anything particularly shocking about it and found it to be quite balanced. In fact, I found it bland.

Of course there were inaccuracies re the banning of Amaral's book in so much as the ban was over-turned but the media were hardly likely to mention that. There was also a bit of sycophantic stuff but on the whole I found it to be quite balanced.

Quite why there was a need to produce the documentary and release it at this time is another matter.
 To help feed the 'global obsession'?
Ta da! high5

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Post by trotter1 on 19.11.14 18:24

@Sceptic wrote:Ms Bachrach added: “They were told by child abduction experts ‘If you cry on television…the kidnapper might get off on that.’ Horrible though that sounds, so she (Kate, mother) had to keep a stoic face on television. She couldn’t weep, she couldn’t look distraught and so she looked kind of like a robot.”

Has any other parent of a missing child been given this advice?
And she said 'mechanical' and ever since then I've had a new word in the vocab - 'mccannical'

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Post by Naz_Nomad on 19.11.14 18:26

In my view, the programme was pure spin, complete with a number of discrepancies (some already pointed out earlier).  But it did give a few helpful hints to people (putting up the title  "The Truth Of The Lie", prominently, in English, for example, so people could perhaps do a wee Google search). winkwink

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Post by Benion on 19.11.14 18:26

@Sceptic wrote:Ms Bachrach added: “They were told by child abduction experts ‘If you cry on television…the kidnapper might get off on that.’ Horrible though that sounds, so she (Kate, mother) had to keep a stoic face on television. She couldn’t weep, she couldn’t look distraught and so she looked kind of like a robot.”

Has any other parent of a missing child been given this advice?
 and was this the same adviser who said dont mention the eye defect?

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Post by Benion on 19.11.14 18:38

@Naz_Nomad wrote:
@Benion wrote:I think if they go for joe public, they will start on Twitter. There was a guy who was rumoured to be a paedophile, think he was a lord, anyway it turned out he was an innocent man and he tried to sue every Twitter user who defamed him. In the end I think he just settled on Sally Bercow, but at one stage he was after everyone.

It didn't "turn out he was an innocent man", the disgusting turd used Machiavellian tactics to make out he was the "victim" of something, created a lot of confusion as to who his accuser was talking about, and stole £350,000 or so from the BBC and ITV, who paid up without a squeak within days, for airing the story.  Sally Bercow paid up £50,000 despite not even mentioning what the revolting specimen did.  The dead paedophile Lord McAlpine even wrote a book about Machiavelli, and how to use his tactics against accusers and rivals.

Spread false defeat to gain public sympathy; or false accusation and then arrange for it to be exposed as such – so the accuser will forever be treated with suspicion.

And that’s precisely the point – to shut up all talk about child abuse by top politicians. 

Fortunately for mankind in general, but unfortunately for his victims, the paedophile Lord is now dead.  I hope his passing was full of pain and suffering, and he roasts slowly in a corner of hell reserved for the most evil of evildoers, for eternity.

I am so sorry Naz, I only read a couple of articles on the subject and thought this lord mcalpine was an innocent man wrongly accused of being a paedophile. I am genuinely shocked he was guilty all along. Despicable scumbag hope he rots in hell.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 19.11.14 18:59

Did anyone else notice near the beginning where they show Alistair Stewart (standing next to Katie Derham) stating that a couple had left their kids in the apartment while they dined nearby?

Katie Derham's reaction says it all.

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Post by sonic72 on 19.11.14 21:34

Peter Mac, probably a bit late now but it was repeated tonight on C5+1, so I dont think they were trying to stop people watching it again.

I think it was Aquilla who said it was balanced?! I thought it was not balanced at all, I think they tried to deliberately make it look balanced, but when you know the case inside out, you realise that it was afar from balanced, just more smoothing the edges for the Mccanns.

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Post by AlexBG on 19.11.14 22:29

@sonic72 wrote:I think it was Aquilla who said it was balanced?! I thought it was not balanced at all, I think they tried to deliberately make it look balanced, but when you know the case inside out, you realise that it was afar from balanced, just more smoothing the edges for the Mccanns.
Agreed - the prog had been skillfully sprinkled with lots of subtle pro-McC anecdotes and obfuscations, which the casual viewer might unwittingly take on board, as these things can so easily slip beneath the radar.
I kept pausing it and ranting about them to my fiancée - think he had a headache by the time it finished. :)

There were some excellent responses to the prog posted on the Channel 5 Facebook page last night.

All just my opinion.

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Post by aquila on 20.11.14 5:05

@sonic72 wrote:Peter Mac, probably a bit late now but it was repeated tonight on C5+1, so I dont think they were trying to stop people watching it again.

I think it was Aquilla who said it was balanced?! I thought it was not balanced at all, I think they tried to deliberately make it look balanced, but when you know the case inside out, you realise that it was afar from balanced, just more smoothing the edges for the Mccanns.
Good morning,

I did indeed say I found it quite well balanced but that's only my opinion. It was calm bluster - just something about nothing. I found the CrimeWatch production(s) far more disturbing.

What I find interesting is this documentary was made by and aired on Channel 5 at 7pm in UK which is notably the beginning of the Soaps (see demographics for Channel 5 viewers). I'd love to see the viewing figures.

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Post by onehand on 20.11.14 7:46

it is already on you tube, not the best copy, but good enough to follow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBWq0fdEkKg


it looks like they had taken no notion at all of the pj files becoming public, as it was no news at all for the brittish press, very strange.

also it still is disturbing to hear about the icon that was made out of madeleine, if you look at any picture i simply see just a little girl, not something special, not a child that would get me to look twice, all children are usually very special and a gift to most of their parents, i'am not a parent myself, but know a lot of parents and been through endless sessions of looking at pictures of offspring, not only parents but also grandparents, you just are expected to say something nice, but i can't see the contest in why madeleine would be standing out and need to be a special child. every child is special and different on the same time. some are brighter at young age, some have maybe more expression, but they are all just children. 

madeleine was just a very small period the reason for publicity because she as a person was missing, she is just made a sales item, for the media and her parents also. 

for a brittish documentary, it is certainly balanced, even more then i would have expected, there was even a open door to another side of this case. the mentioning of Goncalo Amaral's book is a brave thing to do. i'don't think it is the right time to desire for more then this from brittish grounds. lots is left out, what make some things a bit to hollow, but that is only for those who did have more knowledge of this case. 

they did use a lot of the same material on film as in the earlier one about mccann versus media from al jazeera. it is worth to give that one a second look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JV6sP9UC4

don't do it while eating, but it is curious to see who they had commenting about this issue. would it be possible to make such a documentary and end up after some years and not lost a large part of the credibility of the commentators  because they been outed 
themselves of some nasty deeds.

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Post by Doug D on 20.11.14 9:30

I basically agree with Aquila that the programme was ‘balanced’, if not exactly 50:50, certainly an improvement to what has gone before.
 
Frizzell’s commentary throughout the programme seemed basically neutral, unlike the assorted bunch of journ’s etc that are snipped in and out and for the first time in a long while there was mention of the dog’s evidence, ‘The Truth of the Lie’, etc., although without any real follow through.
 
Yes there were errors, but sadly that is what you expect today. (On 5 News last night, in one of their main stories, apparently Murat had his arguido status lifted in July 2007) Lots of little things but they all add up and reflect todays journalistic standards.
 
The bit about the Norfolk lad to illustrate lack of funding elsewhere seemed strange, but I suppose BN’s mum would have wanted to say her own thing and I imagine they were looking for a ‘not attractive, not middle class,’ family to highlight their point, although that seems to have blown up in their faces.
 
At the end of the programme I was left thinking what exactly had they tried to achieve, and felt that Frizzell’s overall scepticism, whilst not openly declared, contrasted well against the views of the ‘please sit on my sofa’ brigade.
 
It didn’t give me the impression that it involved much, if any, TM/CM input.

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