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Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by viaveritasvita on 17.10.14 15:25

@aquila wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:My absence from this forum for the past few months may have escaped your attention, plebgate, but it cannot be said that prior to my return I was one of those who, according to your opinion, 'always' seemed to be 'arguing or abusing Tony' and in merely seeking to clarify matters of law he may be unaware of, it cannot be claimed that I am doing so now.  

With regard to the old saying of being 'lead up the garden path', I saw it used by viaveritasvita on another thead and purloined it as I consider it to be an apt description of how relying on a sole source of information can cause the enquirer to jump to erroneous conclusions about matters which may be far more complex than the manner in which they have been described.
aren't you the person who threatened me with making my PM's public on the forum because I disagreed with you?

Aren't you the person who proclaimed that making my PM's public is a matter of law?

Aren't you the person on this forum who cackles and makes fun of Gerry being a Glaswegian?

Do you Aquila have issues with women generally?
Is it because UT is better educated and more articulate than you?
Cristobell is down to earth ,intellegent and was prepared to start her own blog whereas you are pompous ,aloof and kow tow to TB something neither
UT and Cristobell are prepared to do.
You mock Candyfloss and Freedom/Marian for setting up a new forum and having the strength to break from the clutches of TB.
You take a few cheap shots at someone like Cristobell who as you know is banned from here and can,t defend herself.
I had asked a serious question about TB accusing the Met of lying and your only form of response is an aggresive  personal attack 
as you have done with UT above and Cristobell.
You said you have Scottish ancestory then familiarise yourself with the poem by Robert Burns "to a louse" and then reflect on how others see you.
It may not be a pretty sight.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by comperedna on 17.10.14 20:14

Oh for goodness sake STFU the lot of you... squabbling like a henhouse full of cackling chickens!

Just my own viewpoint, natch. :-0

Things are moving again in this case, for good or ill, and we all need to be alert about it... and watching closely and thinking... not going for each other.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by PeterMac on 17.10.14 21:11

Could we start a new thread for people who wish to squabble with others over matters irrelevant to the discussion
ADMIN to move anything getting it the way of proper debate and discussion to that thread . . .


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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Guest on 17.10.14 21:28

@PeterMac wrote:Could we start a new thread for people who wish to squabble with others over matters irrelevant to the discussion
ADMIN to move anything getting it the way of proper debate and discussion to that thread . . .


I have given up for the night.
Have to agree there PM,its hard to fathom what is being discussed.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Silverspeed on 19.10.14 0:32

Man wanted in UK as part Madeleine McCann investigation jailed 18 months for child porn

Saturday, 18 October 2014, 18:13Last update: about 6 hours ago

             
The man wanted in the UK in connection with the disappearance of Madeliene McCann this afternoon was jailed for 18 months for possession of child pornography.
Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment in Sannat, admitted to being in possession of pornographic photographs of children found on his laptop.
On Tuesday, the 77-year-old convicted paedophile consented to his extradition when he appeared before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli, a day after he was arrested by the police in Gozo.
Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007 after disappearing during a family holiday in Portugal.
The magistrate jailed him for 18 months.
The Mirror has reported that the man told people he met in Sannat that he has a Maltese mother.
 
 




    

   

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Tony Bennett on 19.10.14 9:47

@Silverspeed wrote:

Man wanted in UK as part Madeleine McCann investigation jailed 18 months for child porn



Saturday, 18 October 2014, 18:13Last update: about 6 hours ago

             
The man wanted in the UK in connection with the disappearance of Madeliene McCann this afternoon was jailed for 18 months for possession of child pornography.
Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment in Sannat, admitted to being in possession of pornographic photographs of children found on his laptop.
On Tuesday, the 77-year-old convicted paedophile consented to his extradition when he appeared before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli, a day after he was arrested by the police in Gozo.
Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007 after disappearing during a family holiday in Portugal.
The magistrate jailed him for 18 months.
The Mirror has reported that the man told people he met in Sannat that he has a Maltese mother.   
THINGS THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THIS ARTICLE

1. We now know the offence for which he was extradited: downloading images of children being abused. The mainstream media informed us that he was 'a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case' but NOT what the actual alleged offence against him was

2. Following on from No. 1, the claim that he was sought in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance would appear to be 'spin' supplied by some source of other. I would suggest that the likely source is Clarence Mitchell and it is my sincere belief that he and DCI Andy Redwood have throughout worked together to influence public perception in this case - and that Redwood would have tacitly approved the connection made by the mainstream media between Roderick MacDonald and Madeleine McCann...just as he has done with all the other ridiculous stories of numerous other 'suspects' and 'persons of interest' over the past three years, which will I am sure have been placed by the same source into various mainstream media, judicially shared out reasonably equally beeen different newspapers  

3. Once people have acquired a thirst for sexually abusing young children or viewing such images, it is almost impossible to uproot this addiction from their minds, hearts and souls - just like the most persistent weeds, you try and pull them all up, but they just come back sooner or later and grow and grow again.


Also, is the slogan on his T-shirt

H A G L A N D     

...the money-laundering expert appointed by Brian Kennedy in September 2007 to head up his Knutsford-based private investigations into Madeleine McCann's disappearance?

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Bishop Brennan on 19.10.14 10:01

@Tony Bennett wrote:[

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2. Following on from No. 1, the claim that he was sought in connection with Madeleine McCann's disappearance would appear to be 'spin' supplied by some source of other. I would suggest that the likely source is Clarence Mitchell and it is my sincere belief that he and DCI Andy Redwood have throughout worked together to influence public perception in this case - and that Redwood would have tacitly approved the connection made by the mainstream media between Roderick MacDonald and Madeleine McCann...just as he has done with all the other ridiculous stories of numerous other 'suspects' and 'persons of interest' over the past three years, which will I am sure have been placed by the same source into various mainstream media, judicially shared out reasonably equally beeen different newspapers  

...

Also, is the slogan on his T-shirt

H A G L A N D     

...the money-laundering expert appointed by Brian Kennedy in September 2007 to head up his Knutsford-based private investigations into Madeleine McCann's disappearance?

I would agree with your opinion in point 2 above. This is a(nother) very crude attempt to create invalid but powerfully emotional linkage in the minds of the UK public. You could call it the "anyone but the McCanns" strategy. And so far it's been applied consistently by AR and the UK media. It is likely to be increased.

The biggest risk that AR and Team McCann have right now is that after 3 years, and £10m spent they have found NOTHING. They are no further forward. This is likely to lead to many people to speculate "perhaps it was the parents after all..." This is a natural and entirely logical conclusion. AR and the McCanns know this - and they have been working against it from day 1.

As for the T-Shirt, IIRC it actually says THAILAND according to other press images.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Guest on 19.10.14 10:05

@Bishop Brennan wrote:
The biggest risk that AR and Team McCann have right now is that after 3 years, and £10m spent they have found NOTHING.  They are no further forward.   This is likely to lead to many people to speculate "perhaps it was the parents after all..."     This is a natural and entirely logical conclusion.   AR and the McCanns know this - and they have been working against it from day 1.  
The thing is,they can try and influence the brit public all they like but its what happens on the ground in Portugal that really counts.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by lj on 23.10.14 0:45

@PeterMac wrote:So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women
(Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !

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Whilst in New Zealand...

Post by missbeetle on 23.10.14 4:25


(snipped from stuff.co.nz)

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by tiny on 23.10.14 15:14

Win @winnower1  ·  2 hrs 2 hours ago
@mrgholmes CEOP & #McCann team know this man was NOT in Portugal in 2007. He was in New Zealand. http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf … Search: 'Robinson'

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by PeterMac on 23.10.14 16:31

He was a case history in that very report.  Gamble's own Annual review.  
And Gamble has apparently said nothing to the press, but has allowed them to go on printing things which he, and probably they, KNOW to be false.


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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Doug D on 23.10.14 21:01

New blog up from Joana Morais re. Roderick Robinson (McDonald), Jim Gamble, S&S etc
 
Spin & Manipulation – Round up the usual suspects
 
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/10/spin-and-manipulation-round-up-usual.html
 
Lengthy blog, but ends with the following:
 
‘This incredibly well orchestrated integrated marketing campaign sadly resulted in human tragedy with the loss of a life. Hounded by the media and public opinion that labelled her as a “troll”, when she was clearly not, a human being was pushed to despair and Brenda Leyland is believed to have taken her own life in a hotel room in Leicester.
 
It is essential that the truth regarding the report, the book, the Sky exclusive on the report, the “Dossier” and the Sky exclusive report on the dossier is told and we trust the competent authorities to do so and to do it urgently.
 
These are not just mere coincidental isolated actions, these were planned and integrated, part of a whole disastrous PR and marketing campaign.
 
As the target audience we were and are, as tax payers and law abiding citizens it is our right and our moral duty to research and question what we read and watch and, above all, demand the truth surrounding these events.’

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New Zealand press this morning...

Post by missbeetle on 25.10.14 18:51




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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by worriedmum on 25.10.14 20:51

What a tribute to the marvels of  modern journalism the previous article is!

'Madeleine McCann-linked paedophile fled 'on my passport'

screams the headline..



but if you read the article it actually says



''it is not known whether Robinson was in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's abduction..''



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Headline news in New Zealand this morning...

Post by missbeetle on 01.11.14 18:23





Something about not very much, but I'll chuck it in here anyway...

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by BlueBag on 01.11.14 19:37

Who is pushing this crap?

None of it stands up to any level of rational questions.

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A source said...

Post by missbeetle on 01.11.14 21:02





(snipped from the Daily Star, 1st November 2014)


I think he was also thought to have been in Fiji at some stage, too.

I'm amazed that this grotty character has evaded capture for so long...

...would he be on a UK pension and could they not have traced him through that?

I feel so sorry for all those who have been molested by him.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Guest on 01.11.14 21:04

@BlueBag wrote:Who is pushing this crap?

None of it stands up to any level of rational questions.
But the report clearly says he was temporarily living at one of the parks in 2009 when he indecently assaulted one of the girls but before he faced a court he slipped out of NZ on a stolen passport,how was he involved when he didn't leave NZ until 2 yrs after the McCann case started.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 02.11.14 23:26

In Tesco yesterday you couldn't miss the ridiculous headline in the Daily Star about the exploits of the new Maddie suspect. Can we not hit these papers with a sticker saying 'FFS, read the PJ files'?

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by awto on 05.11.14 8:45

@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:In Tesco yesterday you couldn't miss the ridiculous headline in the Daily Star about the exploits of the new Maddie suspect. Can we not hit these papers with a sticker saying 'FFS, read the PJ files'?
There is NO new suspects, and there never will be, ask Mccann's where Madeleine is ?
The English government is putting pressure on Portugal, why I really don't know, the Portuguese can not do anything  as long they have diplomatic pressure from UK, so the two new prosecutors can also not get anywhere, Him Mitchel is good at cover up, and good as a media guy, wonder how much money the Mccann's pay him ?  Not what we know, but in real ?   The SY is for sure not on the take, they only follow orders from government,  the SY are normally really good, but in this case they are totally blind, and looking the wrong direction, but it is by orders. 
The British police should not have anything to do with the case, and should not be allowed to touch any collected evidence, use a totally independent police with absolutely no ties to the UK, Portugal is in the EU and struggling, so it is easy for UK to put pressure on Portugal.  I would not trust anything from the British police in this case.
And for Portugal, I think they are under to much pressure from UK to be trusted.
It is already so obvious, and how could the Mccann's escape prosecutions, I have seen people convicted with much less evidence.  Do the UK government rule Portugal ?  If not then why don't Portugal not make them suspects, and demand a EU arrest  and send them back to Portugal.  PJ  have their hands tied behind their back.
I think Mccann's have a hold over the Mitchel guy, and the Mitchel guy have a hold over some one in high places, this is the only explanation why the Mccann's can escape justices.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by PeterMac on 05.11.14 9:32

We haven't had a sighting for quite a long time, which is odd since there is normally one timed for release whenever SY return to Portugal
Given that they are still claiming Madeleine could be alive
(ignore DNA testing, cadaver dogs searching waste ground, digging holes etc for the moment)
it seems strange that there has been a sighting reported.
Or do the MSM realise that even the most pro would not buy yet another ludicrous story ?

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by plebgate on 05.11.14 9:52

@PeterMac wrote:We haven't had a sighting for quite a long time, which is odd since there is normally one timed for release whenever SY return to Portugal
Given that they are still claiming Madeleine could be alive
(ignore DNA testing, cadaver dogs searching waste ground, digging holes etc for the moment)
it seems strange that there has been a sighting reported.
Or do the MSM realise that even the most pro would not buy yet another ludicrous story ?
That's why I wanted to know whether there was a message to Maddie or an appeal to her abductor on GMB on Monday?

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by aquila on 05.11.14 10:12

@PeterMac wrote:We haven't had a sighting for quite a long time, which is odd since there is normally one timed for release whenever SY return to Portugal
Given that they are still claiming Madeleine could be alive
(ignore DNA testing, cadaver dogs searching waste ground, digging holes etc for the moment)
it seems strange that there has been a sighting reported.
Or do the MSM realise that even the most pro would not buy yet another ludicrous story ?
Oh I'm sure there will be something 'interesting' coming up soon - just in time to focus on donating funds to Missing People at 'Christmas-time'.

The McCanns will probably be on a telly sofa somewhere to appeal to the masses and show the McCanns tirelessly and selflessly working for other people in a 'bring someone's child home for Christmas' campaign sort of thingy.

Or am I becoming too cynical titter

It's now about Missing People charity dontcha know! Keep up with the script!

All that stuff about trolls, doorstepping Brenda Leyland to death needs to be ignored!!!

It's doubtful the Winters & Goose book is going to be a Christmas best-seller.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Realist on 05.11.14 18:13

@awto wrote:
  If not then why don't Portugal not make them suspects, and demand a EU arrest  and send them back to Portugal.  PJ  have their hands tied behind their back.

A European state cannot simply issue an EAW on the basis of suspicion, the warrant has to be accompanied by tangible evidence relating to the matter they are seeking extradition for.

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