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Post by justagrannynow 1 on Sat May 29, 2010 2:36 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7779460/Murder-trial-detective-made-sexual-gestures-to-juror.html


Murder trial detective 'made sexual gestures to juror'

A major murder trial almost collapsed after a detective allegedly made
"suggestive
sexual gestures" to a female juror, it has been revealed.



Published: 5:23PM BST 28 May 2010



Det Con Ivor Messiah, was said to have "puckered his lips" in a kiss and

"flirted" with the woman, a brunette in her mid-thirties, across a packed courtroom.

The Leicestershire officer also allegedly made a ring with the fingers
of one hand - which he then poked with the index finger of the other.

The juror later asked one of his colleagues to pass him a note with her mobile
phone number during a break in the case - but he refused, and reported
the matter to the judge.
The Nottingham Crown Court trial, costing hundreds of thousands of
pounds which was nine days old at the time, was instantly halted while an
investigation was carried out.
Frances Oldham QC, defending John Cort, a solicitor accused of murdering
his business partner, argued that the entire jury should be discharged.
But after four days of legal argument, which included DC Messiah and the
juror, known as Miss X, giving evidence, it was eventually decided the
case could continue.
But the woman, and a fellow juror left "upset and confused" by what had
happened were discharged, and the case continued with just ten jurors.
The extraordinary incident took place on April 29, but reporting
restrictions meant the details couldn't be revealed until the end of the trial today.
Cort, and his co-accused Brian Farrell, were convicted of murder solicitor
Vina Patel, a partner in Cort's law firm, to get a £1.5m insurance
payout and both jailed for life.
In her ruling, Mrs Justice Dobbs said the juror had noticed DC Messiah,
smiling at her from the public gallery on the "third or fourth day" of the trial.
The judge added: "After that there was eye contact. She was not looking for it
to happen, and was not sure what to make of it.
" She got the impression he wanted her number. He had made a hand
movement, like a phone, to his ear.
"This happened on the Wednesday. She wrote her number on a piece of paper on
the Thursday morning 15 minutes before the morning break, in case she
bumped into him.
Mrs Justice Dobbs said the woman spotted DC Messiah during the break but
he appeared to be busy.
So she gave the note to a man she'd seen sitting with him in the public
gallery - his colleague, a detective sergeant - and asked him to pass
it on.
But he refused, and the woman returned to the jury room, ripped the note
up, and threw it away.
It was later recovered by court staff after DC Messiah's colleague
reported the incident.
Another female juror gave evidence, and told the hearing that Miss X had told
her that someone in the public gallery was "flirting with her".
The juror said that she saw DC Messiah smiling at Miss X, and "pucker his lips
as if he were blowing her a kiss".
The judge's ruling concluded by saying: "All jurors are fully aware of the
allegations he (DC Messiah) had made suggestive gestures of a sexual
nature."All were asked if they felt able to continue. All, save one, said 'yes'.
"A male juror said he felt upset and confused by what had happened. Both
he and Miss X were discharged."
DC Messiah, who interviewed members of the 'Tapas Seven' as part of the
investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance, has not been in
court since the resumption of the trial.

However, in her ruling, Mrs Justice Dobbs said he claimed he had "no contact
with the juror" and "could not be the person" who had gestured to her.
Deputy Chief Constable Gordon Fraser said: "This matter was brought to
the Judge's attention during the trial and as a result two jury members
were dismissed. "The trial continued and resulted in a successful
conviction.
"The Force demands the highest standard of professionalism from all
staff and will thoroughly investigate any allegations of inappropriate
behaviour.
"The Force's Professional Standards Department will now investigate the
alleged incident and therefore it would be inappropriate to comment
further at this time."

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D.C. Messiah interviewed David Payne

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Re: D.C. Ivor Messiah alleged to have made sexual gestures to Juror

Post by Get'emGonçalo on Sat May 29, 2010 2:51 pm

"The Force demands the highest standard of professionalism from all
staff and will thoroughly investigate any allegations of inappropriate
behaviour.

(Unless their name is McCann)

I've put this article on my blog - any excuse to bring the Gaspar statements back up to the top

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on Sat May 29, 2010 2:56 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282247/Ruthless-solicitor-used-hitman-kill-woman-business-partner-insurance-payout.html



Scroll down to the bottom of the article, which is about the Cort. Farrell trial, and there is this



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Post by littlepixie on Sat May 29, 2010 4:07 pm

What a disgusting immature man!! and during a murder trial.

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Post by Judge Mental on Sat May 29, 2010 4:55 pm

Instant dismissal and no pension to collect at a later date. Court costs are astronomical. Messiah should be forced to pay the court costs for the four day delay.

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The DC who flirted with a juror causing a 4-day delay in a murder trial carried out the rogatory interview on Dr David Payne

Post by Tony Bennett on Sun May 30, 2010 8:53 pm

RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No IM23A
Person Interviewed: David PAYNE Number of Pages 45
Place of Interview: Force Headquarters, Enderby Signature of Interviewing

Date of Interview: 11.04.08 Officer producing exhibit
Time Commenced: 1026 hours
Time Concluded: 1154 hours Duration of Interview: 89 minutes
Interviewing Officer(s) DC 1485 MESSIAH Tape Reference nos:
Other Persons Present None

Tape counter times Person speaking Text

00:00:04 1485

D.C. Ivor Messiah: "Okay, the interview is being video recorded, I’ll make sure it is, yeah, the video, the interview is being video recorded and we are at Leicestershire Police Force, Force Headquarters alright. The date is Friday the eleventh of April two thousand and eight, and I make the time by my watch ten twenty six. My name is DC Ivor MESSIAH and I’m a Detective in the Major Crime Department at Leicestershire Police, alright?”

Reply "Yes.”

Messiah 1485 "Could you tell me who you are please? Your name, date of birth and where you live.”

Reply "Yes, my name’s David PAYNE, my date of birth is fourteenth of the fourth, fifty six, I live in...

REST SNIPPED

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282273/Murder-trial-collapses-juror-passes-phone-number-police-officer.html

MURDER TRIAL NEARLY COLLAPSES AFTER D.C. IVOR MESSIAH FLIRTS WITH FEMALE JUROR AND JUROR PASSES HIM HER 'PHONE NUMBER

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on Mon May 31, 2010 8:36 am



Muratfan seems to be a little upset that none of us have mentioned that, despite the inappropriate pervy actions of this senior Leicestershire police officer who interviewed the pervy nipple-twiddling, finger-sucking doctor friend of Gerry "Fuck off, I'm not here to enjoy myself" McCann, during a major murder trial is that it ultimately had a successful conviction.

We can only ask the same thing of the McCann case, muratfan - a successful conviction.

muratfan, heaven forbid anyone is quick to condemn pervy actions of anyone associated with your mates eh?

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Post by Tony Bennett on Mon May 31, 2010 8:41 am

@Judge Mental wrote:Instant dismissal and no pension to collect at a later date. Court costs are astronomical. Messiah should be forced to pay the court costs for the four day delay.
On a serious note, this would appear to be a clear case of malfeasance (or 'misconduct') in public office.

This is how Wikipedia (accurately) defines the criminal offence of 'malfeasance in public office':

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Under English, misconduct (or misfeasance) in public office is an offence at common law.[

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) guidelines on this offence say that the elements of the offence are when:

  1. A public officer acting as such.
  2. Wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself.
  3. To such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder.
  4. Without reasonable excuse or justification.

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So I wonder if the police and the CPS are not going to do so, whether someone should apply for a private criminal summons against him, i.e. bring a private prosecution?

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Post by Tony Bennett on Mon May 31, 2010 8:46 am

jkh wrote:

Muratfan seems to be a little upset...
Um, the phrases 'raw nerve' and 'touched' have just sprung to mind!

I find it of more than passing interest that a police officer capable of causing a hugely costly delay in a murder trial. through lust for a juror, should have been chosen to interview Dr David Payne.

'Muratfan' may be Ian West, of Norfolk, believed to be a former police officer.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on Mon May 31, 2010 8:49 am

Shudder the thought that muratfan was a police officer.

I expect he was nothing more than the station's toilet cleaner.

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Ian West - again

Post by Tony Bennett on Mon May 31, 2010 8:55 am

jkh wrote:Shudder the thought that muratfan was a police officer. I expect he was nothing more than the station's toilet cleaner.
'Muratfan' has been identified as Ian West.

A photographer called Ian West was seen on 27 January 2010 at Richard Branson's pad at 99 Knightsbridge taking photos of celeb guests at the bash to mark Madeleine having been missing 1,000 days ["I have no doubt that we can sustain a high profile for Madeleine's disappearance in the long-term"].

There is a photographer called Ian West in Norfolk who looks similar to the gentleman seen in Knightsbridge.

Reports suggested that Ian West was a former police officer and that the reasons he left the police force are not clear.

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on Mon May 31, 2010 9:16 am

jkh wrote:

Muratfan seems to be a little upset that none of us have mentioned that, despite the inappropriate pervy actions of this senior Leicestershire police officer who interviewed the pervy nipple-twiddling, finger-sucking doctor friend of Gerry "Fuck off, I'm not here to enjoy myself" McCann, during a major murder trial is that it ultimately had a successful conviction.

We can only ask the same thing of the McCann case, muratfan - a successful conviction.

muratfan, heaven forbid anyone is quick to condemn pervy actions of anyone associated with your mates eh?



Read the OP again Muratfan.

However, in her ruling, Mrs Justice Dobbs said he claimed he had "no
contact with the juror" and "could not be the person" who had
gestured to her.
Deputy Chief Constable Gordon Fraser said: "This
matter was brought to the Judge's attention during the trial and as a
result two jury members were dismissed. "The trial continued and
resulted in a successful conviction.

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That aside, what has the outcome of the trial got to do with the alleged behaviour of either the female juror or DC Messiah ?

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Post by ufercoffy on Mon May 31, 2010 9:17 am

Whatever the reason he left, or most likely was pushed, thank goodness this pondscum is no longer in the police force. Someone of that ilk is hardly an asset, especially when he seems content to commit crimes himself.

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Post by ufercoffy on Mon May 31, 2010 9:20 am

@justagrannynow 1 wrote:Read the OP again Muratfan.

However, in her ruling, Mrs Justice Dobbs said he claimed he had "no
contact with the juror" and "could not be the person" who had
gestured to her.
Deputy Chief Constable Gordon Fraser said: "This
matter was brought to the Judge's attention during the trial and as a
result two jury members were dismissed. "The trial continued and
resulted in a successful conviction.

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That aside, what has the outcome of the trial got to do with the alleged behaviour of either the female juror or DC Messiah ?

Gran, muratfan doesn't need an excuse to attack. Just these few posts mentioning his name will feed his blog for weeks.


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Post by justagrannynow 1 on Mon May 31, 2010 9:23 am

Thanks ufercoffy.

I didn't know he had a blog !!!

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Post by ufercoffy on Mon May 31, 2010 9:30 am

It's not a real blog, gran, it's a hate site. http://brenryanandco.blogspot.com/

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on Mon May 31, 2010 10:55 am

Do you know, I never went on that site because I thought it was one of Brenda Ryans offerings, and I had enough of her on MM.

Just had a look, not many comments on any of the articles are there ?

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