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Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

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Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by Gillyspot on 06.10.14 17:38

Accused of trolling the McCanns, Leyland didn’t conform to our stereotyped idea of a troll – but those stereotypes quickly fail


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  • When three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared from her hotel bedroom in Praia da Luz seven years ago, her parents could not have envisioned that, on top of the horror of their child’s disappearance, they might be faced with an unremitting barrage of online abuse, including threats of violence, murder and abduction of their other children.
    Perhaps in hindsight it might seem obvious. Every major case – Princess Diana’s death, 9/11, even the birth of President Obama – seems to have its contingent of those who believe that a conspiracy of silence has descended on the police and the media, and that people high up are actively engaged in a whitewash so that the real facts never emerge. Those individuals spend hours of their time campaigning to have the “truth” recognised.
    One of those individuals was Brenda Leyland. A well-spoken, middle-class, 63-year-old mother of two, who lived in a picturesque village. Leyland regularly took to Twitter to draw attention to what she felt was an appalling miscarriage of justice. Last week, she found herself revealed to the nation by a television news team who exposed her as a “troll”. But was she really a troll?

  • The first problem is the use of the word. It has become a catch-all term for everything from minor disagreements through to annoying incivility through to criminal behaviour such as death threats. When we think of trolls, the stereotype is of angry, unemployed, disenfranchised young men who exist in a miserable, hermit-like darkness that is void of compassion or loving relationships – young men like John Nimmo, for instance, who was jailed for sending abusive messages to feminist campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez. We assume stupidity, alcohol abuse, and social issues. We like to think that they must be so obviously damaged that we would spot them in the street.
    However, when we look at cases that have resulted in convictions, the stereotype quickly fails: Peter Nunn was a 33-year-old father; Isabella Sorley was a 23-year-old university graduate; Frank Zimmerman was 60. Even if we could create a troll stereotype from these cases, about the only common theme is that those who get caught are likely to be less than savvy about keeping themselves unfindable online.
    Alternatively, they may be so impassioned about a “cause” that they cannot see how their behaviour has escalated out of control. Both convictions and the data show that stereotypes mislead us dangerously because they encourage us to focus only on those who fit the bill, when in reality, the genteel elderly man who moved to let you sit next to him on the train could be sending vile rape threats to his employer via his smartphone. Those who troll can be any age, any gender, anyone at all, and so it begins to look as though the label would fit Leyland too.
    The second problem is that the word “troll” has become shorthand for describing any behaviour online that may cause offence. It conjures up strong feelings of repulsion and disgust, and doubtless some watching a bewildered Leyland trying to escape the TV news team last week will have felt a grim satisfaction, and thought to themselves: “She shouldn’t dish out what she can’t take.”

  • But what was she actually dishing out? Looking over the 5,000-plus tweets from her @sweepyface account, there is clearly a fixation – even an unsettling obsession with the McCanns. She describes them as neglectful parents, objects to their ongoing media appearances, and complains that they are profiting from their daughter’s disappearance. And when people challenge her, she calls them unpleasant names, disputes their evidence and blocks them. In short, her conduct would aggravate some and deeply offend others – but much the same could be said of select comedians, journalists and celebrities who can reach millions. Leyland’s account had a mere 182 followers by the time it suddenly vanished. The crucial question is: did she incite others to harm the McCanns? Or threaten to abduct the McCanns’ other children? Or pose any clear menace?
    On Twitter at least it doesn’t seem so. She regularly tweeted the Metropolitan police and Crimewatch, demanding they do more. She would highlight what she felt were untruths in the stories of major press outlets such as the Daily Mail. She railed at media outlets such as LBC for not airing what she felt was the other side of the story. And at the same time, she ensconced herself within a small network of other Twitter users who supported her, agreed with her, and perhaps gave her a sense of identity and importance as a figurehead campaigning for what she believed was justice for Madeleine.
    Ultimately, individuals who troll or become obsessed with conspiracy theories can be driven by many factors – boredom, loneliness, a need for validation – and we cannot discount the possibility of mental health problems. At times, their behaviour may border on loathsome, but a news team with a high-profile journalist at the helm is not the way to bring about justice.

  • http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/06/was-brenda-leyland-really-a-troll-mccanns?CMP=twt_gu

  • NO Brenda was NOT a troll!        
     

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by Doug D on 06.10.14 19:34

Interesting little spat from the comments section (I’ve removed names etc), but it just shows the perception given from the way the story was presented originally:
 
‘This woman had written some awful, threatening stuff about torturing Kate, it went way beyond mere trolling. There are some seriously odd people out there.’
            



‘That is not true!
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‘She suggested waterboarding.
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’No, she did not! That was the clever ploy of Sky News putting her tweet in among other anonymous ones, such as the water boarding one, so that people who did not read carefully would naturally think that she wrote it. Despicable journalism.
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’You're quite right, I beg your pardon. I imagine the troll who wrote that had a restless night.’

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by BlueBag on 06.10.14 19:38

@Doug D wrote:

’No, she did not! That was the clever ploy of Sky News putting her tweet in among other anonymous ones, such as the water boarding one, so that people who did not read carefully would naturally think that she wrote it. Despicable journalism.
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Cynical and deliberate.

Some needs to be held accountable for this.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by galena on 06.10.14 19:39

@Doug D wrote:Interesting little spat from the comments section (I’ve removed names etc), but it just shows the perception given from the way the story was presented originally:
 
‘This woman had written some awful, threatening stuff about torturing Kate, it went way beyond mere trolling. There are some seriously odd people out there.’
            



‘That is not true!
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‘She suggested waterboarding.
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’No, she did not! That was the clever ploy of Sky News putting her tweet in among other anonymous ones, such as the water boarding one, so that people who did not read carefully would naturally think that she wrote it. Despicable journalism.
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’You're quite right, I beg your pardon. I imagine the troll who wrote that had a restless night.’
I wouldn't be surprised if the worst comments weren't actually posted by members of TM posing as internet 'trolls' ...

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by BlueBag on 06.10.14 19:42

@BlueBag wrote:
@Doug D wrote:

’No, she did not! That was the clever ploy of Sky News putting her tweet in among other anonymous ones, such as the water boarding one, so that people who did not read carefully would naturally think that she wrote it. Despicable journalism.
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Cynical and deliberate.

Some needs to be held accountable for this.

Please... NO ONE.. forget the role of Stephen Wright of the Daily Mail in all this.

He appears to be getting off lightly when it was HIM who gave out Brenda's name and village.

Sky went with the TV report when her name was already out there, which doesn't excuse them (it does suggest collusion).

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by galena on 06.10.14 22:47

Having looked at the Facebook page many people who are critical of her, seem to believe that she was tormenting the McCanns in some way and making their lives a misery.  That is absolute nonsense - as far as I can see she was just expressing her views on Twitter and they would have no idea what she was saying unless they deliberately went on the site and searched.  And if they did that they would find a lot of far worse stuff being said.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by By Numbers on 07.10.14 14:58

I only found out that Brenda Leyland had killed herself when I saw a headline on a copy of a Metro lying on a bus seat. It was just horrible to think that, once again, history was being rewritten and another life destroyed because of the McCanns and those on their payroll, and this horrible, unnecessary tragedy was made even worse by people ripping apart a 'callous' "troll", apparently hellbent on torturing innocent victims, all because the media just will not tell them the  truth about what she really said. So, for all the good it'll do, I scribbled out the word 'troll' in the headline/story of any Metro I could find and decided to give Gerry and Kate little speech bubbles with useful bits of information (mostly, 'Google Gaspar statements', after remembering what another poster said they would have repeated, if confronted by Martin Brunt). Perhaps there will be a knock at the door soon, and I'll be arrested for breaking the new law of 'not writing on newspapers in public places'.

You wouldn't think Gerry McCann was the one who said: "I strongly believe in freedom of speech."

Then again, how could anyone believe the Martin Brunt in question was the one who mentioned the blood spray, all those years ago.

What is wrong with the world?

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by Snifferdog on 07.10.14 15:10

Lucre?

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by Joss on 08.10.14 8:34

I most definitely think there is no way Brenda Leyland was a "Troll". People saying that do not really know what a troll is, and are probably now in CYA mode imo, to justify their horrid attacks on the poor lady who is now deceased. I bet too there is a certain amount of panic amongst some of them, perhaps awaiting a knock on their own door from the authorities, we can only hope so because they deserve it.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by tiny on 08.10.14 10:25

Was Brenda Leyland a troll.

  NO SHE BLUDDY WELL WAS NOT.

she was a caring person who,s only crime was to care about Madeleine Beth McCann and what happened to her,as she KNEW the mccanns had lied.

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"Not a troll" says Dr. Claire Hardaker ..

Post by Searcher on 08.10.14 10:25

[I posted similar this morning, but have lost it! apologies if a repeat.]

The Huff Post link is interesting - given elsewhere here -

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/06/trolls_0_n_5938990.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular


"Dr. Claire Hardaker of Lancaster University and an expert in internet abuse said that from tweets she downloaded from Leyland's .. account she would not have classified her as a troll.

"'I don't think she was a troll, she had very unpopular opinions, she was convinced that there had been a cover-up and that the British press and police were complicit .. she was a campaigner .. she actually tweeted [Martin Brunt] asking him to investigate the theories she was passionate about.'"  

The action of suicide (immediate retreat and cessation, also causing great distress to family] seems a very strange decision from a passionate campaigner? 

I am concerned to read also that GM allegedly would like to see 'more prosecutions'.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by thetruthbeknown on 08.10.14 10:29

@sweepyface
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#mccann The day , we, can't object or simply disagree and then state our feelings, is the day UK becomes an Axis of evil itself

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by Woofer on 08.10.14 10:33

It appears Brenda was also putting pressure on the press to investigate the Westminster paedophiles.

IMO many of the pros are supporters of paedophilia.

From the "Sack Martin Brunt" Facebook page ...

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by Baldrick on 08.10.14 10:38

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/p02789bx 
Sir Bernard Listen from 25 mins McCann Trolling

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Post by Woofer on 08.10.14 10:49

@Baldrick wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/p02789bx 
Sir Bernard Listen from 25 mins McCann Trolling

I can`t bear to listen if he`s blaming the skeptics again and inferring the McCanns are all sweetness and light.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by sallypelt on 08.10.14 10:58

I am going to put my neck on the block here, and say, I still have belief that the investigation by SY is not a whitewash, but I must admit, I have my doubts. Do I believe that the McCann's have been protected my people with fat bank accounts? Yes I do. Do I believe that they have lied and lied. Well, I will leave that one open, as I don't feel I need to answer that one. And the list goes on as to all the discrepancies etc.

Now back to why I still hold out hope that this isn't a whitewash. We've seen over the last few years how dangerous it can be when people take the law into their own hands. We've seen how dangerous some REAL trolls can be; phoning people's places of work. Putting their photographs, putting ALL their personal details online. As a result of "dossiers" and the likes, a loving mother has died. So, I can see why SY are holding their cards close to their chests on this case. After all, there are two innocent children involved in all this, and if they were my kids, I would breaking my heart for them, and doing everything in my power to protect them in any way I can. As for the McCann's, themselves, SY have to be extremely careful what they say and what they don't say. And it's for the reasons that I've given, that at this moment in time, I am still holding out hope that this is NOT a whitewash.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by ChippyM on 08.10.14 11:01

@Baldrick wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/p02789bx 
Sir Bernard Listen from 25 mins McCann Trolling


No way, another fruedian slip!    

Bernard is asked 'were you handed the file about McCann trolling and what happened'.  (i'm paraphrasing can't be bothered transcribing, sorry!)

B - Well what happened is that that file was handed to the team that are investigating the MURDER, errrmmm sorry the missing girl

Then he says. 'The file was given to Leicester police and it was actually being considered whether an offence had taken place as it seems this woman may have done

Bernard is then asked what constitutes a crime online. He says threatening someone, being racist or threatening to kill, blackmail. As police they will not get involved in things that are merely defamatory.

It seems obvious by this point he has never read the tweets! Yet he has more or less cleared what Brenda Leyland has written as not coming under what he sees as the law.

He did not mention the fragrant McCanns at all.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by ChippyM on 08.10.14 11:08

@sallypelt wrote:I am going to put my neck on the block here, and say, I still have belief that the investigation by SY is not a whitewash, but I must admit, I have my doubts. Do I believe that the McCann's have been  protected my people with fat bank accounts? Yes I do. Do I believe that they have lied and lied.  Well, I will leave that one open, as I don't feel I need to answer that one. And the list goes on as to all the discrepancies etc.

Now back to why I still hold out hope that this isn't a whitewash. We've seen over the last few years how dangerous it can be when people take the law into their own hands. We've seen how dangerous some REAL trolls can be; phoning people's places of work. Putting their photographs, putting ALL their personal details online. As a result of "dossiers" and the likes, a loving mother has died. So, I can see why SY are holding their cards close to their chests on this case. After all, there are two innocent children involved in all this, and if they were my kids, I would breaking my heart for them, and doing everything in my power to protect them in any way I can. As for the McCann's, themselves, SY have to be extremely careful what they say and what they don't say. And it's for the reasons that I've given, that at this moment in time, I am still holding out hope that this is NOT a whitewash.


I am holding out hope too. As indicated by BHH's interview that was just posted it seems he is aware that Operation Grange is a MURDER investigation - it was straight from the horses mouth.

    If it is a murder, who can they be looking at, those close to the family or opportunistic burglars that were in and out in 10 minutes?  ( yes optimistic I know)

I do still cling to the hope that we may get some of the truth coming out and that people that were once protected may no longer be under that protection for various reasons. Sometimes people are thrown to the lions in order to distract from other things.

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Post by HelenMeg on 08.10.14 11:14

Murder is a big word to use - I am surprised he did not say 'death' bearing in mind there is no body.
This wont please the Mc Canns.. or will it?

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Post by ChippyM on 08.10.14 11:35

@HelenMeg wrote:Murder is a big word to use - I am surprised he did not say 'death' bearing in mind there is no body.
This wont please the Mc Canns.. or will it?

I've started a new thread on it, I hope Baldrick doesn't mind but I think him saying Murder, is a separate topic to that of 'trolling'

Silly BHH,   is he incompetent or just fed up with keeping his gob shut?   big grin

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Post by Carrry On Doctor on 08.10.14 11:37

Thats one for the archives !!

What do they say about the mind wanting to tell the truth ? Sir BHH let it slip, no question.

I must admit that over the last few days I have been teetering towards WW, but I keep the faith that the truth will out.

As Blacksmith points out, if OG had given TM one single crumb of comfort in recent times, they would be shouting it from the rooftop. But they have nothing.

IMO of course.

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Post by Woofer on 08.10.14 11:43

Notes From A Potting Shedder :-

http://thepottingshedder.blogspot.co.uk/

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by aiyoyo on 08.10.14 11:47

BL died in vain because MB lied to her; in a way intimidated/frightened her into believing the Police were onto her, when that was not true, just to scare or provoke her to evoke a reaction from her for the camera.

I don't believe the writer who said Sky sent Martin got it right when they could have sent a wannabe young reporter.  MB is too long in to the tooth not to know or be able to resist an order to go and doorstep someone.  Likely the doorstep was done on his own initiative.  He wanted to create headlines to his credit and it backfired spectacularly because he wasn't onto a "troll" but a critic.   MB proves all along he's a lazy and shoddy reporter who works on given materials, there is no element of investigative journalism in his work.

 BL's tweet that Mcs should feel miserable all their life is not worst than Kate's threat to Amaral or using expletive on the PJ.  Wanting him to feel "fear" can be considered a threat even if only an emotional threat.

If Police should decide to investigate on the basis on the sort of inflammatory remark "wishing the Mcs to feel miserable",  then the defendant-alleged-troll can cite Kate as example.  Her bewk reaches more audiences than any one person has tweet followers.
BL had less than 200 tweet followers, compared to Kate's bewk sale figure that is peanut.  Furthermore, it wasn't even directed directly at them since they are not tweet users.

Granted their oily big mouth green-ink-taint-cousin who monitored social media on their behalf might have told tale to them so what, what can Kate do about that, unless she wants to court unwanted attention onto her own demeanor.

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Re: Finally!! Was Brenda Leyland really a troll?

Post by aiyoyo on 08.10.14 11:49

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:Thats one for the archives !!

What do they say about the mind wanting to tell the truth ? Sir BHH let it slip, no question.

I must admit that over the last few days I have been teetering towards WW, but I keep the faith that the truth will out.

As Blacksmith points out, if OG had given TM one single crumb of comfort in recent times, they would be shouting it from the rooftop. But they have nothing.

IMO of course.
Martin Brunt tweets the "M" word, Sir BHH says the "M" word.......

You would think reporter and police commissioner would be careful and not reckless......but......?

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