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Looking at the two CrimeWatch e-fits again

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Post by Tony Bennett 23.06.15 12:06

How good a 'fit' do members think this man is...

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...for one of these two very different e-fits?

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by lj 23.06.15 23:23

I don't think that photo really matches up with any of the efits. But then if the efits are really from one man that photo could match, as could many others.

I still think the skinny one looks like Brunt or Adrian Oldfield, the photo you posted on the other thread:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t6792p70-pact-committee-members-and-ernest-allen#314534

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Post by sharonl 29.10.17 21:34

Bumping for new members and readers who still believe that Madeleine disappeared on 3rd May and that Smithman sighting was genuine
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Post by Tony Bennett 01.05.18 17:50

MRNOODLES wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:A poll to gauge opinion on the forum as to whether these two images, shown by DCI Andy Rewood on CrimeWatch last October, are of two different people, or the same person...


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But on the other hand.  IF Crimewatch said, 'these two jokers robbed a bank'.

Would any of us say, 'oh hang on those two e-fits are of the same bloke'.   Very unlikely imo.
The release of Sonia Poulton's film The McCanns and the Police has proved very interesting in at least one aspect.

Although Ms Poulton doesn't spend long on the efits and the claimed 'Smithman' sighting, she does clearly in her film accept the 'SMITHMAN' = GERRY MCCANN theory.

She quotes Martin Smith's identification of Smithman as Gerry (well, 60% to 80% anyway).

She then quotes Gemma O'Doherty's claim that Martin Smith told her that he was still sticking to his '60% to 80% certain it was Gerry McCann' story.

She then goes on, effectively, to accuse the BBC of lying by having claimed that Martin Smith had 'changed his mind'.

As so often in the case, we have to make up our minds who is telling the truth, as there are so many occasions where two stories completely collide, as in this case.

I have nailed my colours to the mast and provided what I believe is overwhelming evidence that Martin Smith must have changed his mind - ever since he first agreed back in December 2007 to speak to Brian Kennedy and Metodo 3. His conduct over the past 10 years proves IMO that he has changed his mind, whatever Gemma O'Doherty may have to say about it.

But one of the crucial issues in this case is whether or not the efits are genuine or bogus, by which I mean: Were they actually drawn up on the basis of the Smiths' recollections?

To that question, I have always answered 'No'. And that's an emphatic 'No'.

I realisie I have bored everyone to tears by relentlessly saying it would be impossible for the Smiths to draw up these efits, because:

1 it was a year after they saw the man
2 they told police they would never be able to recognise him if they saw him again
3 they only saw him for a few seconds at most
4 it was dark
5 the street lighting was weak
6 some of them never saw all of his face...etc.

Now Sonia's film has (inadvertently) provided excellent confirmation of my arguments against the genuineness of these efits.

David Machin appears in Ms Poulton's film. He is an ex-Detective Sergeant for Hertfordshire Police. He makes some comments about reconstructions, in which he says this:
“People have difficulty describing accurately people that they haven’t seen before and have only seen for a short period of time". [time: 34.40-34.50]

Arguably Ms Poulton herself makes an even better case for ignoring the Smith sightings.  Querying the efit drawn up by Jane Tanner, Ms Poulton is filmed, arms spread out, in the dark, with weak street lighting, at the road junction where Jane Tanner says she saw someone.
Expansively, Ms Poulton asks: “Given the environment, how much would you really see?” [time 37.20]

Exactly right. These two excellent observations in Ms Poulton’s film further undermine any claim that these efits are genuine.

I repeat that I believe the two-efits are derived from actual photographs of two different people. I also have indications of the identity of one of them, a man living (or was in 2008) somewhere in the south-east of the country. I can't yet prove this.

I will be providing a full review of Ms Poulton's film later.

In the meantime, I hope that the few remaining people who think that the 'Smithman' sighting is Gerry (most of them now in #McCann-hashtag-land) will think again about whether they are so sure that they are right.   


ETA:  The poll is still running




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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by willowthewisp 02.05.18 14:21

Hi Mr Antony Bennett,if people are led to believe the Smithman family sighting, 22.01+,that it was Madeleine being carried away from the apartment,it is then credence for an Abduction on the 3 May 2007?
It adds credence to an Abduction!

If Jane did see the Abductor(RM) at 21.15pm,that Gerry,Jez didn't see on the same street outside of the Apartment and they Both didn't see Jane, who presumed to have walked past both of them,see mockumentary film?

Crime Watch October 2013,creche Dad accounted for DCI Andy Redwood,Abductor ruled in or out 2018 Operation Grange 2018?

I state this as the only other person who was being cast as the Abductor,was also ruled out by Mr Smith as to have been One Mr Robert Murat,(who JT now couldn't recognise April 2008)supposedly seen hanging around the apartment by at least three of the Tapas group of friends,Russell,Rachel,Fiona?
Russell O'Brien introduces Gerry McCann to Robert Murat on the 4th May 2007 08.30-09.00 am for the first time?
Video from Sandra,"Do you know Robert Murat before Madeleine disappeared, Gerry,I'm not going to Comment on that,cough." quickly leaves the scene with Clarence Mitchell in attendance!

Robert Murat is suddenly called back to Portugal from the UK 30 April, 1st May 2007 arrival back to Prai Da Luis,why,Interpreter or Patsy,both,contract with Sky News,Martin Brunt,Rupert Murdoch's  Business Empire,News Paper,then TV?
 
As has been pointed out by yourself on many occasions,Martin Grimes Crime dogs,Eddie,Keela and scents from items of clothing worn by certain persons,evidence?

There is No scents picked up by Eddie,Keela at Mrs Murats abode where her Son was staying on his recall back to Portugal.
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Post by polyenne 02.05.18 14:36

Robert Murat : "Basically, I'm just an ordinary, straightforward guy who's the victim of the biggest f***-up on this planet - if you'll excuse the language,"


I have formed the opinion that The Smiths saw Gerry McCann carrying a child on the night of the 3 May to create an abduction scenario. Risky ? Absolutely. Who was the child ? A dead Madeleine or a live (and sedated ?) other T7 child ? Don't know. If Madeleine, where did he take her body ?

I don't believe Jane saw an abductor. I don't believe Jane was even in that street at that time. (Gerry & Jez didn't see her and the reconstruction is farcical as Gerry drops her royally in it as to which side of the street they were on).

I believe GM knew RM in some capacity, I'm just not sure whether it was from the UK or earlier that week in PdL.
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Post by willowthewisp 02.05.18 14:52

polyenne wrote:

Robert Murat : "Basically, I'm just an ordinary, straightforward guy who's the victim of the biggest f***-up on this planet - if you'll excuse the language,"




I have formed the opinion that The Smiths saw Gerry McCann carrying a child on the night of the 3 May to create an abduction scenario. Risky ? Absolutely. Who was the child ? A dead Madeleine or a live (and sedated ?) other T7 child ? Don't know. If Madeleine, where did he take her body ?

I don't believe Jane saw an abductor. I don't believe Jane was even in that street at that time. (Gerry & Jez didn't see her and the reconstruction is farcical as Gerry drops her royally in it as to which side of the street they were on).

I believe GM knew RM in some capacity, I'm just not sure whether it was from the UK or earlier that week in PdL.
Hi Polyenne,I don't wish to make assumptions,but the only person's claiming to have had a sick child were R*****l,Jane taking him his evening meal according to their Statements in and around the same time as claiming to have seen an Abductor in her Purple night attirement from the cold chill?
Now if you need to be creative ask Operation Grange!
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