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Madeleine McCann: Police to return to Portugal as search reaches 'make or break' moment

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Post by Guest on 26.08.14 14:03

ChippyM sourcing from the telegraph wont show you the full picture.
They were made arguidos, google it on this forum and/or check the Portuguese media please.
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Post by ChippyM on 26.08.14 14:15

parapono wrote:ChippyM sourcing from the telegraph wont show you the full picture.
They were made arguidos, google it on this forum and/or check the Portuguese media please.
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 I can't find an official source that says they were made aguidos and I haven't just looked at the telegraph, although that article does demonstrate that the Portuguese authorites were NOT confirming what was in the rquest letter...which is why I quoted it.  I never just look at one countries media either.

 If someone can point out were it has been stated officially I would be grateful.

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Post by Guest on 26.08.14 14:45

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It's Portuguese law that you have to be heard under caution = made arguido, if you are questioned by the police about a presumed involvement in a possible murder case.
The right not to incriminate yourself.
The right to remain silent.
The first four were asked "did you kill Madeleine McCann" and 200+ other questions.
This points as them being suspects in a criminal investigation.
Hence made arguido.

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Post by Brian Griffin on 27.08.14 9:16

The thought occurs to me that the Met might be 'hanging around' just in case the Portuguese have an ace in the hole to play, evidence-wise, that might see the Mcs arrested. Then they can move in to support and contain - did somebody say 'subvert'? - shame on you!

Just a theory and all in my opinion, of course.

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Post by Guest on 27.08.14 12:17

Portugal resident reported more or less what the Mirror as stated but with more information:

British police searching for missing Madeleine McCann are said to be on their way back to Portugal for key “make-or-break” interviews that could crack the seven-year mystery.

According to the Daily Mirror, officers from Operation Grange have zoned in on seven suspects - three of which will be interviewed for a second time.

The move follows “weeks of tense negotiations” says the Mirror, quoting a source who claims: “This is far from a scatter-gun approach. The detectives are acutely aware there is a finite amount of money for the investigation and that they need results”

Operation Grange - set up three years ago - is believed to have already spent over £6 million in its painstaking review of the original police files into three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May, 2007.

Earlier this summer, dozens of uniformed officers descended on the village to dig in three areas where they believed clues to the child’s fate could still exist. The high-profile exercise was said to have revealed “nothing of interest”.

As the Mirror admits in its latest story: “Portuguese sources have described the Met probe, which has so far cost UK taxpayers more than £6million, as a senseless waste of time”.

The Mirror’s source also demonstrates ambiguity by tempering “this is not a scatter-gun approach” with “it is hoped they (the officers) are on the right track”.

For now, what seems certain is that of the four potential suspects interviewed by the Met in Faro in July, Sergey Malinka, the Russian IT expert “is no longer under suspicion”.

That leaves a Portuguese taxi driver who used to work for the Ocean Club resort, a young beggar who was 16 when Madeleine went missing and a man suffering from schizophrenia - along with four new suspects which, the Mirror claims, have also been identified through analysis of mobile phone data

“Thousands of pieces of evidence have been re-examined by the Scotland Yard team to get to this stage”, the Mirror quotes its source as telling the paper.

In July, when it became clear exactly which individuals the Met was zeroing in on, former PJ police investigator, writer and commentator Francisco Moita Flores suggested that British police “are not looking for mortal remains of the little girl, nor those who are guilty. They are simply looking for an excuse”

Eyes now are on the Met’s imminent return which, according to the Mirror, will go ahead next month

- See more at: http://portugalresident.com/maddie-cops-%E2%80%9Cset-to-return-to-portugal-in-make-or-break-moment%E2%80%9D#sthash.c9zgQnmT.dpuf


Detectives acutely aware of limited amount of money for investigation, they need results, so it seem's the money is going to stop, wonder if the McCanns are aware of this?

Who's life is going to be ruined so they get the results needed? This has never been about seeking justice for Madeleine Beth McCann, imo the investigation has been deliberatly constructured to shield those responsible rather than unmask them.

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Post by Guest on 27.08.14 12:34

Cherry Blossom wrote:Portugal resident reported more or less what the Mirror as stated but with more information:

British police searching for missing Madeleine McCann are said to be on their way back to Portugal for key “make-or-break” interviews that could crack the seven-year mystery.

According to the Daily Mirror, officers from Operation Grange have zoned in on seven suspects - three of which will be interviewed for a second time.

The move follows “weeks of tense negotiations” says the Mirror, quoting a source who claims: “This is far from a scatter-gun approach. The detectives are acutely aware there is a finite amount of money for the investigation and that they need results”

Operation Grange - set up three years ago - is believed to have already spent over £6 million in its painstaking review of the original police files into three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May, 2007.

Earlier this summer, dozens of uniformed officers descended on the village to dig in three areas where they believed clues to the child’s fate could still exist. The high-profile exercise was said to have revealed “nothing of interest”.

As the Mirror admits in its latest story: “Portuguese sources have described the Met probe, which has so far cost UK taxpayers more than £6million, as a senseless waste of time”.

The Mirror’s source also demonstrates ambiguity by tempering “this is not a scatter-gun approach” with “it is hoped they (the officers) are on the right track”.

For now, what seems certain is that of the four potential suspects interviewed by the Met in Faro in July, Sergey Malinka, the Russian IT expert “is no longer under suspicion”.

That leaves a Portuguese taxi driver who used to work for the Ocean Club resort, a young beggar who was 16 when Madeleine went missing and a man suffering from schizophrenia - along with four new suspects which, the Mirror claims, have also been identified through analysis of mobile phone data

“Thousands of pieces of evidence have been re-examined by the Scotland Yard team to get to this stage”, the Mirror quotes its source as telling the paper.

In July, when it became clear exactly which individuals the Met was zeroing in on, former PJ police investigator, writer and commentator Francisco Moita Flores suggested that British police “are not looking for mortal remains of the little girl, nor those who are guilty. They are simply looking for an excuse”

Eyes now are on the Met’s imminent return which, according to the Mirror, will go ahead next month

- See more at: http://portugalresident.com/maddie-cops-%E2%80%9Cset-to-return-to-portugal-in-make-or-break-moment%E2%80%9D#sthash.c9zgQnmT.dpuf


Detectives acutely aware of limited amount of money for investigation, they need results, so it seem's the money is going to stop, wonder if the McCanns are aware of this?

Who's life is going to be ruined so they get the results needed? This has never been about seeking justice for Madeleine Beth McCann, imo the investigation has been deliberatly constructured to shield those responsible rather than unmask them.
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Post by pennylane on 27.08.14 13:10

Lisbon's refusal to allow the bullies at the Met their much lusted after 'joint investigation' has further exposed the McCann farce for what it is.  The Operation Grange objective was to get in on the original investigation and lead it as far away from the gruesome twosome as possible. They have failed, and have been left desperately spinning their wheels, trying to appear legit.

Goncalo Amaral must be acutely aware of the Met's timing.... yet again!  I hope the judge's ruling is postponed several times, just to watch DCI Redwood squirm as he's forced to return without achieving his corrupt objective.

Hang your head in shame Redwood, your modus operandi is glaringly obvious. duh

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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.08.14 13:38

@pennylane wrote:Lisbon's refusal to allow the bullies at the Met their much lusted after 'joint investigation' has further exposed the McCann farce for what it is.  The Operation Grange objective was to get in on the original investigation and lead it as far away from the gruesome twosome as possible. They have failed, and have been left desperately spinning their wheels, trying to appear legit.

Goncalo Amaral must be acutely aware of the Met's timing.... yet again!  I hope the judge's ruling is postponed several times, just to watch DCI Redwood squirm as he's forced to return without achieving his corrupt objective.

Hang your head in shame Redwood, your modus operandi is glaringly obvious. duh

From my post on Aug 4th 2014

memo to OG, if you're reading this: Nobody, i repeat, NOBODY, has 'figured out' your cunning "modus operandi" when the McCanns are 'due' in Portugal.

Well, when i say NOBODY, i actually mean only the undiscovered 'tribes' in the Amazon Jungle.

The rest of the world's population MIGHT have 'noticed'
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The Judge has 'noticed' GA has 'noticed' Portuguese residents have 'noticed' serving Police officers, in UK and Portugal have 'noticed'

In short, almost EVERYONE has 'noticed' DCI Redwood's 'modus operandi' with regards to the McCann case.

As DCI Driscoll, now sadly EX DCI, after questioning child 'abuse' in Lambeth, said 'What is corruption?'

Sadly, for Madeleine, it could well be staring us in the face ..........with OG!

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Post by pennylane on 27.08.14 13:58

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@pennylane wrote:Lisbon's refusal to allow the bullies at the Met their much lusted after 'joint investigation' has further exposed the McCann farce for what it is.  The Operation Grange objective was to get in on the original investigation and lead it as far away from the gruesome twosome as possible. They have failed, and have been left desperately spinning their wheels, trying to appear legit.

Goncalo Amaral must be acutely aware of the Met's timing.... yet again!  I hope the judge's ruling is postponed several times, just to watch DCI Redwood squirm as he's forced to return without achieving his corrupt objective.

Hang your head in shame Redwood, your modus operandi is glaringly obvious. duh

From my post on Aug 4th 2014

memo to OG, if you're reading this: Nobody, i repeat, NOBODY, has 'figured out' your cunning "modus operandi" when the McCanns are 'due' in Portugal.

Well, when i say NOBODY, i actually mean only the undiscovered 'tribes' in the Amazon Jungle.

The rest of the world's population MIGHT have 'noticed'
-----------------------------------------------

The Judge has 'noticed' GA has 'noticed' Portuguese residents have 'noticed' serving Police officers, in UK and Portugal have 'noticed'

In short, almost EVERYONE has 'noticed' DCI Redwood's 'modus operandi' with regards to the McCann case.

As DCI Driscoll, now sadly EX DCI, after questioning child 'abuse' in Lambeth, said 'What is corruption?'

Sadly, for Madeleine, it could well be staring us in the face ..........with OG!

Exactly Jean!

The parents lies and guilt are so embarrassingly obvious, one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.  Redwood has a gigantic McCann of worms that he must ignore at all costs.

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Post by ChippyM on 27.08.14 14:02

parapono wrote:ChippyM

It's Portuguese law that you have to be heard under caution = made arguido, if you are questioned by the police about a presumed involvement in a possible murder case.
The right not to incriminate yourself.
The right to remain silent.
The first four were asked "did you kill Madeleine McCann" and 200+ other questions.
This points as them being suspects in a criminal investigation.
Hence made arguido.

parapono

The info on what questions they were asked still comes from anonymous sources, for me that's not good enough. The PJ and SY have never officially commented on what these people were questioned on. That's the point I'm trying to make, we can presume they were made aguidos but this has not been confirmed. Time will tell of course.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.08.14 14:45

With regards to 'Smithman', who both sides of that particular 'debate' will AGREE

'SMITHMAN WAS A WHITE MAN'. ( as Smithman e-fits, as displayed by DCI Redwood, on CW, Oct 2013, CONFIRM)

How MANY WHITE MEN (or WHITE women or WHITE 'they's, as espoused by G Mccann as predator 'abductors' who MAY 'strike again' although they actually HAVEN'T in over 7 YEARS) will be 'included' in DCI Redwood's new tranche of 'suspects/witnesses' that he will be sitting in on 'questioning' NEXT month, just before the McCanns return, to Portugal, for continuation of their libel case?

thinking

I know about 'white' Russian SM, but he has been 'cleared' and is no longer 'under suspicion' which MUST have been 'sanctioned' by DCI Redwood and OG.

And as the PJ suspect a foreigner was 'involved'............lets not forget that UK people, men and women, coloured or white, holidaying in PDL, are classed as foreigners to Portugal!

Surely DCI Redwood cannot dare to be perceived as 'racist' and only demand that his 'new' suspects are 'non WHITE persons' to be 'questioned' about a 'missing' child.

NOT after the Met 'instutionalised racism' accusation.

Surely not?

Does anyone know how many OG 'staff/officers' are from 'ethnic' backgrounds?

All i saw when the 'Maddie cops' were 'posing/posturing' in Portugal, several times, were WHITE 'officers' on which ISTBC.

eta; After OG have finished  'reading' this post, i'm sure we'll 'see' an ethnic 'Maddie Cop' or two, in Portugal NEXT month, when they are 'papped' by exclusiff pix, in Faro winkwink

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Post by missmar1 on 27.08.14 22:56

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The papers still, after all these years, keep using the younger pictures of Madeleine Mccann.    

 Madeleine no longer looks like she did when she went missing - therefore, you would think the Mccann's would be beside themselves that the papers are still using out of date photos of their missing child and ask the papers to print the more updated version of what their little girl would look like now so that people would have a better chance of spotting her ?   After-all, they are still selling online wrist bands etc... and claim they still have hope she is alive .  Just my opinion.

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Post by aiyoyo on 28.08.14 0:10

Why aren't they using her age progression photo?
Don't they want her found?

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Post by Okeydokey on 28.08.14 0:25

Chippy M -

Don't know what your purpose is in coming on here and claiming the McCanns were never made arguidos. Take a look at this link: it's in black and white from the official files.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

I found it in about 0.7 second on Google.

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To influence publioc percentioon and to promote the book by Summers & Swan

Post by Tony Bennett on 28.08.14 0:57

http://www.abola.pt/mundos/ver.aspx?id=496618

British police returns to the Algarve to investigate Maddie case

TRANSLATION:

Agents from Scotland Yard will return to Portugal to continue to investigate the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, according to the Mirror.

To the British authorities, this is a pivotal moment in the case of the missing child in Praia da Luz, and why seven members of the Yard will meet with Portuguese researchers.

By all indications, they are allowed to question the seven suspects indicted earlier this year, three of which will be questioned for the second time.

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IMO an exercise in influencing public perception, once again - but is the timing also to promote the new book by establishment authors Anthony Summers Robbyn Swan, 'Looking for Madeleine', due out two weeks today on 11 September?

TV cameras focussing once again on Met men in suits in Portugal, while a book is promoted on the media which 'completely exonerates' the McCanns...

...Just what the doctor PR men ordered?

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Post by Brian Griffin on 28.08.14 1:40

@missmar1 wrote:
@Dutchgirl wrote:


The papers still, after all these years, keep using the younger pictures of Madeleine Mccann.    

 Madeleine no longer looks like she did when she went missing - therefore, you would think the Mccann's would be beside themselves that the papers are still using out of date photos of their missing child and ask the papers to print the more updated version of what their little girl would look like now so that people would have a better chance of spotting her ?   After-all, they are still selling online wrist bands etc... and claim they still have hope she is alive .  Just my opinion.
Well, the bleeding iris anomaly kind of makes her a very unusual missing child. Her hair can change colour, naturally or by using colorants; she can be dressed in all kinds of different regional clothing and even have tanned skin due to the hear where she lives, but she will always have that distinctive eye. Makes no difference really. You wouldn't recognise me now, from my pics when I was 5. No way.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 28.08.14 7:33

Daily Express version of events:

British police investigating Madeleine McCann disappearance want to quiz more suspects

BRITISH police probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have formally asked Portuguese authorities for more help, it was revealed yesterday.


by: John Chapman - Published: Thu, August 28, 2014


A new international letter of request has been received from Scotland Yard, Portugal’s Attorney General’s Office confirmed.

The news comes as Operation Grange officers prepare for a further trip to the Algarve next month.

Officials have declined to comment on the content of the latest letter of request.

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman also refused to comment on details of the “fourth request” which was made earlier this month.

But it is thought that British officers want to question suspects in Portugal.

It was not clear last night if public prosecutors on the Algarve coordinating the separate Portuguese inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance on May 3, 2007, have yet approved the Yard’s call.

Previous requests sparked digs at three sites in and around the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished on a family holiday.

And four men were interviewed as “arguidos” – normally translated as “formal suspects” – in July.

Only one of them is understood to have had his arguido status removed.

British police questioned them through Portuguese colleagues in the hope of confirming their theory that they were part of a burglary gang who panicked after killing Madeleine during a bungled break-in at her family’s holiday apartment and dumped her body.

But all four men insisted they had nothing to do with her disappearance and were released without charge.

A string of witnesses were also quizzed at Faro police station.

Sniffer dogs loaned by South Wales police and used in June to search waste ground in Praia da Luz in a fruitless hunt for clues to her whereabouts are subsequently thought to have swept the car of one of the suspects’ relatives.

Portuguese police have privately dismissed the latest British police work as “senseless.”

They believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer in Portugal.

They have still not ruled out the involvement of ex-junkie burglar drug addict Euclides Monteiro who died in a tractor accident in 2009
, three years after being sacked by the holiday club where the British youngster and her parents were staying.

His widow says he had nothing to do with the disappearance, however.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from Praia da Luz.

The Yard launched Operation Grange in May 2011 after her parents Gerry, 45, and Kate, 46, of Rothley, Leics, appealed to David Cameron for help.

Around 40 detectives and civilian staff are dedicated to the inquiry which has so far cost an estimated £6million.

Yard chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said recently: “The investigation is still ongoing and we will not be reducing the team.”

Gerry and Kate say they are encouraged by the lack of evidence to suggest Madeleine was murdered.

They are convinced their daughter could still be alive and will one day be returned to them.

Scotland Yard is offering £20,000 as a reward for information.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/504070/British-Maddy-police-new-Portuguese-plea


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Daily Star version of events:

We need help to find Maddie: Brit police want more Portuguese assistance

BRIT police probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance have asked for more help from the Portuguese in a bid to crack the seven-year mystery.

by Jerry Lawton  -- Published 28th August 2014


Detectives have sent prosecutors a fifth international letter of request for assistance with their inquiries.

The news comes as officers from the Met Police’s Operation Grange team prepare to return to the Algarve next month following searches for Madeleine and the quizzing of four suspects this summer.

Officials declined to comment on the content of the letter.

But police reportedly want to re-question three of the four suspects – and quiz four new ones.

It was not clear last night if public prosecutors on the Algarve – who are coordinating a separate inquiry into three-year-old Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance in Praia da Luz – have approved the new requests, but they are likely to.

Portuguese detectives have privately dismissed the latest British police work as “senseless”.

They believe that Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer in Portugal.

And they have not ruled out the involvement of an ex-junkie burglar who died in a tractor accident in 2009.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/396671/Brit-police-want-to-quiz-four-new-suspects-in-Maddie-case


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Observation:

Express reports this:

"British police questioned them through Portuguese colleagues in the hope of confirming their theory that they were part of a burglary gang who panicked after killing Madeleine during a bungled break-in at her family’s holiday apartment and dumped her body".

But McCanns say this:

"Gerry and Kate say they are encouraged by the lack of evidence to suggest Madeleine was murdered".


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Post by NickE on 28.08.14 8:21

"They believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer in Portugal".

A British Citizen in the UK maybe.



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Post by Ashwarya on 28.08.14 9:04

@NickE wrote:"They believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer in Portugal".

A British Citizen in the UK maybe.




Exactly - with the late Euclides Monteiro possibly brought into the affair by a foreign visitor who knew he did driving for the Ocean Club and might be persuaded to help in transporting a child and parent later in the week.  There is no way the PJ believe Monteiro burgled the apartment and abducted and murdered a child.  How unfortunate that he died later in an accident and is unable to help with enquiries (or to clear his name).  In my opinion, obviously.

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Post by PeterMac on 28.08.14 9:34

Of course the presence of Grange in Portugal to coincide with the last hearings in the damages trial
PROVES, beyond a peradventure
that the book has NOT, in any way, stopped anybody doing anything.

Is that Redwood's motive ?

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Post by Guest on 28.08.14 9:56

@Dutchgirl wrote:

You really got to hand it to Dear Dezz: how succinctly put, these 'Tip of the iceberg' and 'Cheats'

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Post by inspirespirit on 28.08.14 9:58

It's all turning into a bit of a joke now.  I wonder how many of the police going over to Portugal for this investigation actually in their heart of hearts know that they are barking up the wrong tree.

Any copper worth his salt would want to re-investigate and re-interview the McCanns and the Tapas lot.

I think we are all wasting our time hoping for justice, sadly.  Sad


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/504070/British-Maddy-police-new-Portuguese-plea

I feel let down and I've only been researching a few months.  Goodness knows how the rest of you, who have been in this from the beginning, must feel. sad1

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Post by BlueBag on 28.08.14 9:58

"British police questioned them through Portuguese colleagues in the hope of confirming their theory that they were part of a burglary Ninja gang who panicked after killing Madeleine during a bungled break-in at her family’s holiday apartment and dumped her body".

Corrected because of lack of any evidence or trace that someone broke into the apartment.

What a completely stupid theory.

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