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Re: Gerry to Boost the Fund

Post by Autumn on 16.05.10 11:08

I wouldn't believe a word uttered by Butler either Little Pixie and think also that it would be extremely unwise of her to contact the McCanns under any circumstances. I don't believe a leopard changes it's spots and could never bring myself to trust Butler one inch - as far as I am concerned, she remains a self-centred, unpleasant and untrustworthy nasty piece of work.

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Re: Gerry to Boost the Fund

Post by Autumn on 16.05.10 12:00

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic6167-5710.htmlIf anyone is interested, Etape caledonia site

http://www.etapecaledonia.co.uk/#

has results from todays race, showing
Race number 1077 Gerry McCann Category M40-49 Category Pos 77 Time 03:51:27 Position 173

1077 Gerry McCann M40-49 77 0 03:51:27 173
(from clicking on link there to https://www.raceplus.co.uk - Etape Caledonia - 2010 Challenge, select challenge and all results and go to the second page)

So it seems he was allowed to take part.



Yet again rules are made to be broken when it comes to the McCanns.

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 16.05.10 12:20

Hi Autumn, yes, it looks as though Gerry made it. No news from deborah


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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 13:14

Macmillan are just sponsors of this race - why would any person taking part need to acknowledge them? The only question is whether participants are allowed to collect for not for profit companies as well as charities. If Virgin money (who the McCanns would have had to have registered themselves with) are accepting donation collection via their systems it would appear that a not for profit company is accepted as a charity in these circumstances.

I don't get why Macmillan would care? There will be hundreds of people taking part of who aren't collecting for Macmillan....but whose entry fee will benefit them.

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Post by kary on 16.05.10 14:28

Macmillan are the Official Charity of the event


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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 16.05.10 15:20

Vaguely I am quite sure Gerry McCann's participation in this event was legal. The McCanns might be dismal when it comes to employing private detectives, but in legal matters they excel.
When the Fund was formed there were many people who donated thinking it was a charity whose sole purpose would be to search for Madeleine. When it slowly filtered out that it was in fact a company, people who complained were told they should have read the small print. Originally, the company had a board of directors to whom Kate and Gerry McCann were accountable, but that meagre safeguard has now disappeared, leaving the Fund totally in the hands of Kate and Gerry McCann, to do with as they wish.
If any credible search had ever taken place for Madeleine I would not have an issue with it, but I am of the opinion that the money has been frittered away and there are no safeguards in place to prevent any abuse. In fact, it is all so legally tied up in favour of the McCanns that it would be impossible for them to abuse it, if that makes any sense, and that is what I find offensive. It goes against the spirit of everything which raising and giving money to a worthy cause stands for and it is for that reason that I feel the public should be aware that their donations are, in reality, a monetary gift to Kate and Gerry McCann to spend on anything they wish.
To imply that the money is to search for Madeleine when at the last count, only 13% was spent on searching is misleading.

I go down the accounts list for the Fund which was submitted to Company House and see what all that money has been spent on, then I think how many children who are abused, starving etc could have been helped with that money, without it affecting the search for Madeleine, and I have to say, it makes me sick.

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Post by Autumn on 16.05.10 15:43

Excellent post Justagran but most likely lost on the apologists for the McCanns such as Vaguely

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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 15:47

Jesus, I could tell you about the boil on my arse and you'd think I was make an apologist statement for the McCanns.

Pointless entering any discussion really isn't it.

Nice modding.

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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 15:51

Kary, they're official charity - that doesn't mean that everyone that takes part has to raise on their behalf. It's not like the Race for Life where everyone running raises funds for the same charity. It's an event that has an official charity every year - just means that they get the publicity. There'll be people there riding for a zillion and one different causes, and some people riding just for themselves with not charitable element at all.

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Post by kary on 16.05.10 15:59

@Vaguely wrote:Kary, they're official charity - that doesn't mean that everyone that
takes part has to raise on their behalf. It's not like the Race for
Life where everyone running raises funds for the same charity. It's an
event that has an official charity every year - just means that they get
the publicity. There'll be people there riding for a zillion and one
different causes, and some people riding just for themselves with not
charitable element at all.

Yes, I'm well aware of that Vaguely - but thank you for re-iterating it. Nevertheless, I'm sure that many of the charity fund raising cyclists would be somewhat irked at the thought of a company director using the event to generate income for his own company.


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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 16:05

Which my original 'apologist' post was trying to assess - whether a not for profit company is allowed to do that.

I think the spirit of it got lost somewhat though.

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Post by kary on 16.05.10 16:20

From the brochure for this year's race (available http://www.etapecaledonia.co.uk/index.html for download as pdf):

"We are delighted to welcome Macmillan Cancer Support as the title partner and official charity of the Etape Caledonia 2010. Over 2,000 of you have signed up to raise money for Macmillan Cancer Support by taking part in the event. If you would still like to raise money for Macmillan Cancer Support but have not yet registered to do so please email biking@macmillan.org.uk

Macmillan Cancer Support is thrilled to be involved once again in the Etape Caledonia. We would like to thank everyone who has joined Team Macmillan and pledged their support to helping improve the lives of people affected by cancer.

By taking part for Macmillan on 16 May, you’re helping us raise over £400,000. So thanks to every member of the team who will be helping us ensure people living with cancer have more good days.

Our team will be there for you on the big day, supporting you every step of the way. Come and see Team Macmillan in the registration zone on Friday and Saturday and in the competitor village on Sunday. We’ll be on hand to wish you good luck, say well done and offer you some well deserved refreshments in our charity marquee.

With your help we are able to help more people affected by cancer. We are very proud of our team. Thank you!

“We are absolutely delighted at the fantastic response we’ve had to the Macmillan Cancer Support Etape Caledonia. This is the second year we have been involved with the event and it’s more popular than ever. The money raised from everyone’s hard work will fund our vital cancer services, from specialist nurses and doctors, to benefits advice and grants for people who have financial problems because of their cancer.

“We are very grateful to the organisers of the event and to everyone who has signed up to tackle the 81-mile distance for Macmillan. Thank you and I wish all those taking part in this challenging event the best of luck on the day.” Director of Macmillan Cancer Support in Scotland, Elspeth Atkinson"

It really does sound as though the main focus of the event was to raise money for Macmillan. I would imagine that those fund raising riders who had not signed up with Macmillan, were probably raising funds for a different (possibly local) cancer charity. All IMHO. I also doubt if any "legalities" come into it.

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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 16:27

That's why it's a worthwhile partnership for Macmillan - people blindly raise money for them, because it's made so easy to do. But looking around the net there are lots of people cycling for all different sorts of purposes. One that caught my eye was another non-charity fund, set up after a couples baby died shortly after birth. I hope they raised a lot of money. Macmillan is a hugely worthwhile charity, but they're one of the giants. It's good that little charities/funds can also benefit and as their administration costs will be a lot lower, the money will go directly to those in need.

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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 16:29

http://www.etapehibernia.com/


SKY are the title partner in this one. I already donate to them by direct debit for £40 a month. Wink

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Post by kary on 16.05.10 16:43

@Vaguely wrote:SKY are the title partner in this one. I already donate to them by
direct debit for £40 a month.

You're not the only one - but it's not masquerading as a Charity.

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Post by kary on 16.05.10 17:00

Twittered a short while ago:

@GaeMar01 thx for yr tweet re etape/gerry mccann.
Hands up, I don't know the answer but will ask fundraising and let you
know what they say


36 minutes ago

via web

in reply to
GaeMar01


http://twitter.com/macmillancancer

in reply to:

@macmillancancer: can you investigate whether the
funds raised by Gerry #McCann
will go into his fund for McCann libel lawyers & PR


about 23 hours ago

via web



http://twitter.com/GaeMar01

(No, I'm not GaeMar01)

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Post by Autumn on 16.05.10 18:30

It makes my blood boil when I think about how the McCanns have sqandered away money kindly donated to them by well-meaning people, on legal fees to salvage what is left of their tarnished reputions. It is a crying shame when you think about the good use this money could have been put to such as helping abused and neglected children, as suggested by Justagran. If people were aware of how the money they had donated in good faith had been frittered away on legal fees, I'm sure they would be disappointed and angry that it had not been used for the purpose they had intended.

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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 19:41

It's the equivalent of donating to Battersea Dog's Home and then being upset your money isn't being spent on starving African children.

If people hand money over to someone then it's their responsibility to look in to what it's likely to be used for. The McCanns website has always said the money can be used for financial assistance to the family. Which is posh for 'if you hand us money we'll spend it in the way we see fit'.

If that doesn't fit with what people are happy with then they're daft as a brush for sending money.

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Post by Judge Mental on 16.05.10 19:46

Has anybody ever dared ask the Mcanns for their money back?

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Post by vaguely1 on 16.05.10 20:01

I don't know anyone who donated, but I'm sure someone in forum land will have tried it.

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Post by twinkle on 16.05.10 20:47

I think this is all getting alittle out of proportion TBH.
Like vaguely has highlighted, this event will have had all sorts of people raising money for different causes.
Yes some will have been raising money for Macmillan, but many not.
All these people doing it for different reasons AND will have been sponsored by people they approached. Simply meaning that people giving money to Macmillian whether it be giving it to the woman collecting in the highstreet, or maybe by a monthly DD that this money hasn't gone to Gerry McCann.
You pay £56 fee to sign up, then it is up to you if you decide to join Team Macmillian, or do it independantly for other reasons/causes. You don't have to be a charity to do it.

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Post by Rainbow on 16.05.10 22:40

Wasnt JailhouseLawyer supposed to be donating a penny to the fund and then going to claim it back or something? He was quite vocal on MM about what he was going to do but seems to have disappeared recently.

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Post by kary on 16.05.10 22:53

@Vaguely wrote:If people hand money over to someone then it's their responsibility to
look in to what it's likely to be used for.
The McCanns website has
always said the money can be used for financial assistance to the
family. Which is posh for 'if you hand us money we'll spend it in the
way we see fit'.

Yes, that's true for people who donate via the web. But a proportion (and I don't know the magnitude) of the income will be raised in situations where the Objectives of the Fund are not publicised. Possibly they should follow your lead and post your suggested wording 'if you hand us money we'll spend it in the
way we see fit' on any income generating scheme they come up with. Good suggestion, Vaguely

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Post by Autumn on 16.05.10 23:34

Good idea Vaguely, I would be delighted to see that message on their website

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 17.05.10 7:00

How about "13 pence in every £1 donated will be used to search for Madeleine. The rest will be used to enhance the lifestyle of others" ?

I seem to recall that charities now have to reveal how much money donated actually goes to the reason for the charity and how much on other expenses. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the Fund is not a charity. If the McCanns would make it clear in their appeals how much is spent on searching for Madeleine then I wouldn't have a problem with the Fund, but to expect people to dig around on the internet or pay to check the documents at Company House is a bit rich IMO.

My scepticism is not helped by the fact that, when the parents were not in total control of the Fund, Gerry complained about having all this money and being unable to pay for their lawyers out of it. With a director with an attitude like that now having absolute control of the Fund, is it really any wonder people such as myself are suspicious?

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