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Post by aiyoyo on 05.08.14 9:58

@espeland wrote:

The overall impression I gained from the DVDs is unfortunately that OG won't be able to 'solve' the mystery. If they want to improve their chances, they must at least involve Fraud officers. Even then, it seems unlikely they'll be successful.

That happens to be my view too - that OG wont be able to solve the mystery - unless their lucky break comes from a confession (no chance of that), either that, or the body is discovered.

Involving Fraud squad won't progress it any better imv as they will have same materials as OG to work on, therefore not much to go on.   Unless fraud squad is set up with fresh different remit allowing them to interview all the players involved in the setting up and operation of the fund; starting from zero, the person who suggested it to them, the lawyer who set it up on what premise, in- house lawyer, and external auditors etc.

They must at least interview the peripheral characters, such as the die-hard supporter BK and the Fund Board trustees, then start working backward from there.  Look at the activities of these men not only from the point of them being supporters but look more in-depth, look into their business activities might yield answer why they support parents of a child missing in mysterious circumstances when there is no evidence of abduction.  It's very unusual for intelligent people to blind support them just on their say so of abduction.
Supporting them on hearsay as a one off because of misjudgement maybe, but indefinite support quite something else.

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Post by Angelique on 05.08.14 10:01

It could be that Bell Pottinger were searching for photo's that included a certain person.

Rather than which photo to use for The Last Photo.

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Post by tiny on 05.08.14 10:01

@aiyoyo wrote:
@tiny wrote:Thank you Hentie,sounded quite interesting,how near to the files was it,do you think the mccann would have given this the thumbs up or will they sue

Give it thumbs up for showing dogs evidence?  No way!  You must be joking right ?

As I didn't know they would show the dogs at the time it was a reasonably question to ask Hentie,but now I know about the dogs I would think the mccanns are not to pleased,i can see another sueing coming on BUT not before a lot of money has been made from the sale of the dvd..

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Post by aiyoyo on 05.08.14 10:02

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@Research_Reader wrote:
One thing I've always thought would be useful (and I'd create it myself if I had the computer graphics skills) is a video of real time movements of each of the key players visualised on a map. You would have to show several versions probably, as there is confusion and obfuscation over exactly where certain people were at various points in time, but I think it would be quite revealing, and would make the whole thing easier to understand. 

Operation Grange already tried that.


And came to the conclusion that Tannerman did not exist, hence the elimination.

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Post by Praiaaa on 05.08.14 10:07

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@aiyoyo wrote:
@tiny wrote:Thank you Hentie,sounded quite interesting,how near to the files was it,do you think the mccann would have given this the thumbs up or will they sue

Give it thumbs up for showing dogs evidence?  No way!  You must be joking right ?

As I didn't know they would show the dogs at the time it was a reasonably question to ask Hentie,but now I know about the dogs I would think the mccanns are not to pleased,i can see another sueing coming on BUT not before a lot of money has been made from the sale of the dvd..

Good reason to distribute foc

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Post by aiyoyo on 05.08.14 10:10

@Angelique wrote:It could be that Bell Pottinger were searching for photo's that included a certain person.

Rather than which photo to use for The Last Photo.

Question is why was Bell Pottinger given the cameras to search through the photos when that should have been given to investigators? It's not Bell Pottinger business to look through photos, unless something fishy was going on.




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Post by canada12 on 05.08.14 10:12

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Angelique wrote:It could be that Bell Pottinger were searching for photo's that included a certain person.

Rather than which photo to use for The Last Photo.

Question is why was Bell Pottinger given the cameras to search through the photos when that should have been given to investigators?  It's not Bell Pottinger business to look through photos, unless something fishy was going on.




I think a pertinent question to ask Bell Pottinger, if ever given the chance, would be, did they actually see The Last Photo on either of the two cameras as they searched them? It would be highly intriguing if the answer was No.

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Post by Carrry On Doctor on 05.08.14 10:19

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@aiyoyo wrote:
@Angelique wrote:It could be that Bell Pottinger were searching for photo's that included a certain person.

Rather than which photo to use for The Last Photo.

Question is why was Bell Pottinger given the cameras to search through the photos when that should have been given to investigators?  It's not Bell Pottinger business to look through photos, unless something fishy was going on.




I think a pertinent question to ask Bell Pottinger, if ever given the chance, would be, did they actually see The Last Photo on either of the two cameras as they searched them? It would be highly intriguing if the answer was No.
Another revelation moment hopefully !!

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Post by Guest on 05.08.14 10:30

@canada12 wrote:
I think a pertinent question to ask Bell Pottinger, if ever given the chance, would be, did they actually see The Last Photo on either of the two cameras as they searched them? It would be highly intriguing if the answer was No.

I doubt that Bell Pottinger are an organisation given to such sudden moment of candidness.

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Post by aiyoyo on 05.08.14 12:41

[quote="Clay Regazzoni"]
@canada12 wrote:

I doubt that Bell Pottinger are an organisation given to such sudden moment of candidness.

Nope.
Maybe that's the only photo of Madeleine taken on the Canon Camera.
Unless Bell Pottinger pays close attention to the date, there is no telling when that photo was taken. It could be first and only one or it could be last. Unless you set your mind to look out for something in particular you can sometimes missed the obvious staring you in the face.

If however there are photos subsequent to that one then obviously even Bell Pottinger could not have missed knowing that was not the last photo.

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Post by hentie on 05.08.14 17:36

@espeland wrote:My DVDs arrived yesterday. While there is little new for many here, it's a very comprehensive introduction and I imagine TM, the Pink One and others won't be at all pleased when it becomes available on the Web.

One thing that's new to me is that Bell Pottinger (brought in very early by Mark Warner) apparently searched the McCanns' cameras. What were they looking for and why and what did they find? Such activity could explain in part at least the delay in publishing the 'final' picture.

Disc four of the set included Richard Hall's assessment of the Government's cover-up. Why was such activity by them necessary?

The overall impression I gained from the DVDs is unfortunately that OG won't be able to 'solve' the mystery. If they want to improve their chances, they must at least involve Fraud officers. Even then, it seems unlikely they'll be successful.

Overall, it was a very satisfactory introduction to the Madeleine case and Richard Hall is to be congratulated for the extent of his research and presentation. Perhaps the most important feature is that the whole case was presented in a single, admittedly four-hour, presentation. Many aspects are discussed on Forums in too much detail - and  members are missing the wood for the trees. This DVD set IMO puts that right.
I agree with you. I am watching it now and I'm impressed that I have learnt a few more things that, even after following case avidly, I didn't know! For those who believe the media here, it will be an eye opener.
I certainly agree with your last comment espeland.

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Post by Doug D on 05.08.14 20:30

Angelique:
 
‘It could be that Bell Pottinger were searching for photo's that included a certain person.’
 
I think everyone missed the point Angelique was suggesting. Nothing to do with the last photo etc.
 
The mystery though is who?

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Post by splurgegun on 05.08.14 22:45

@Doug D wrote:Angelique:
 
‘It could be that Bell Pottinger were searching for photo's that included a certain person.’
 
I think everyone missed the point Angelique was suggesting. Nothing to do with the last photo etc.
 
The mystery though is who?

Philip Edmonds? nephew of Margaret Hodge

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Post by espeland on 05.08.14 23:00

Angelique:
 
‘It could be that Bell Pottinger were searching for photo's that included a certain person.’
 
I think everyone missed the point Angelique was suggesting. Nothing to do with the last photo etc.
 
The mystery though is who?

My use of English obviously isn't very good  nah 

I never intended to suggest that Bell Pottingers' searching was anything to do with the last photo, but that they had the camera for some days and the selection and possible manipulation of the last photo was therefore delayed.

I certainly agree that they were looking for someone.

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.08.14 1:45

Looking for someone ?

Who?

Don't tell me people are still into the Tapas 10 hypothesis?

Why would Bell Pottinger expect that ? (someone) to be captured on the Mccanns' camera?


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Post by espeland on 06.08.14 7:14


by aiyoyo on Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:45 am
Looking for someone ?

Who?

Don't tell me people are still into the Tapas 10 hypothesis?

Why would Bell Pottinger expect that ? (someone) to be captured on the Mccanns' camera?


Bell Pottinger looked at the cameras because of what Mark Warner must have said to them.

What that was and who they were looking for I don't know and absolutely refuse to speculate - in my original post I said " Many aspects are discussed on Forums in too much detail - and  members are missing the wood for the trees". It's for OG to find out.

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Post by Praiaaa on 06.08.14 8:41

@espeland wrote:

by aiyoyo on Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:45 am
Looking for someone ?

Who?

Don't tell me people are still into the Tapas 10 hypothesis?

Why would Bell Pottinger expect that ? (someone) to be captured on the Mccanns' camera?


Bell Pottinger looked at the cameras because of what Mark Warner must have said to them.

What that was and who they were looking for I don't know and absolutely refuse to speculate - in my original post I said " Many aspects are discussed on Forums in too much detail - and  members are missing the wood for the trees". It's for OG to find out.

If Bell Pottinger were hired by MW it would have been to look after MW brand and image - ie to ensure any published pics did not show MW in a bad light - eg nannies on the lash in the Tapas Bar with TM.
Do not see MW in any conspiracy to help TM beyond brand protection.

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.08.14 8:50

@Praiaaa wrote:
@espeland wrote:

by aiyoyo on Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:45 am
Looking for someone ?

Who?

Don't tell me people are still into the Tapas 10 hypothesis?

Why would Bell Pottinger expect that ? (someone) to be captured on the Mccanns' camera?


Bell Pottinger looked at the cameras because of what Mark Warner must have said to them.

What that was and who they were looking for I don't know and absolutely refuse to speculate - in my original post I said " Many aspects are discussed on Forums in too much detail - and  members are missing the wood for the trees". It's for OG to find out.

If Bell Pottinger were hired by MW it would have been to look after MW brand and image - ie to ensure any published pics did not show MW in a bad light - eg nannies on the lash in the Tapas Bar with TM.
Do not see MW in any conspiracy to help TM beyond brand protection.

Quite right.

However, where I agree with espeland is that forum can never be same quality as a documentary piece of DVD.  A forensic documentary has got to be as accurate as possible, concise and to the point if possible.

A forum caters for discussion, and so expression can over run along with imagination.

eta:  If OG knew about this alleged somebody believed to have been captured on Kate's camera supposedly, then the expensive CW to allow for presenting and circulation of the 2efits makes no sense.

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Post by Woofer on 06.08.14 16:30

Just finished watching Richard Hall`s DVDs.

Wow.

My first thoughts were that this will be banned - it has to be, so I would advise everyone to get a copy and pass it round to their friends and neighbours as soon as poss.

Clarence Mitchell will want it banned
So will the McCanns
So will the government
So will MI5.

This programme has way more impact than even Goncalo`s book and Richard Hall is to be praised for all the work he`s put in.

The photography is good, far better than any documentary shown by MSM.  It is well laid out and easy to understand. Richard lists all the irregularities and shows diagrams of connections between people.

Richard has made this programme because he is sick and tired of the MSM not telling the truth.  He exposes how Clarence Mitchell has been controlling the media and keeping the case alive for years with bogus sightings, that the Media  Monitoring Unit is just a department of disinformation.  He queries the government involvement from day 1 and the huge number of government people and departments sent out to support the McCanns (when MBM could have been found any minute).

I`m not going to go through everything but Richard analyses the Open/Closed bedroom door, the windows, the curtains, the weather.  He shows the discrepancies in the statements and shows how the McCanns have tried to back fill all these inconsistences.  In Disc 2 he spends a lot of time on David Payne irregularities including his visit to the apartment, the tennis game etc and also the fact that Leicester Police didn`t send the Gaspar statements to the PJ for 5 months.

He reports on the dogs findings and the McCann`s reaction to them and all the excuses they came up with to explain cadaver odour and blood and how they said dogs were unreliable and also how they tried to use the Zapata case as an example.

Disc 3 is about all the corrupt Private Investigators the McCanns used and Brian Kennedy`s involvement in arranging them all.  He mentions all the money wasted on these PIs - also the fact they were about money laundering and not looking for missing people.  One thing I didn`t know was that BK said the meeting with Murat was to offer him a job to help find Madeleine.

Disc 4 is about the government agents, the Alfaig team and shows how the McCanns were just making up dramatic news headlines.  Government involvement highlights Tony Blair, Milliband and Gordon Brown and how they employed professional liars (spin doctors) and he asks what was so important for the government to get involved so heavily.  He thinks it was Sheree Dodd who Tony Blair made the Special Foreign Office Ambassador to the McCanns that sussed that something was not right and reported back her feelings - she was then dropped.  He explains how it was Gordon Brown who insisted on JT`s sketch of the `abductor` be released 5 months later, even though the PJ did not believe it was a credible sketch.

He asks who gave the order for CEOP to go to Portugal and why Jim Gamble asks for all their holiday snaps, so bypassing the PJ.  He also queries Alex Woolfall`s need to have the McCann`s cameras.

Murat doesn`t have much of a mention, apart from his arquido status and the fact his phone was switched off in unison with Gerry McCann`s.  Richard said he will probably do another documentary purely on RM as there is so much more information on him.

What rang bells for me was how Richard finished the documentary.  He played Ken Livingstone`s words about Kincora Boys Home and how he had found out that MI5 filmed important government people abusing boys in order the government officials could be controlled and blackmailed.  Could this be the crux of the whole mystery?

This documentary was so well laid out in a form one could understand - it clarified a lot of the cloudiness for me and helped me make the connections that I was unable to before.

Well worth the money.  Richard Hall also says there is no copyright and he asks that people make their own copies and distribute.  I was pleased to pay the £20. for someone working so hard to expose this crime.

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Post by Praiaaa on 06.08.14 16:48

Woofer - where can we buy these?

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Post by Woofer on 06.08.14 16:59

Richard does mention the Smith sighting but says there may be doubts around this.

He does not mention Operation Grange which is prudent considering its an ongoing investigation.  But this did make me wonder if OG are actually legit and that it is just Clarence Mitchell and the MSM feeding all the stories about OG.  I still hold out hope that OG will do the decent thing - bit silly of me I know !

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Post by Praiaaa on 06.08.14 17:07


dunnit  - thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Guest on 06.08.14 17:21

Woofer - many thanks for the synopsis.  Does Hall offer any explanation as to what happened to MBM?

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Post by hentie on 06.08.14 17:37

@Woofer wrote:Just finished watching Richard Hall`s DVDs.

Wow.

My first thoughts were that this will be banned - it has to be, so I would advise everyone to get a copy and pass it round to their friends and neighbours as soon as poss.

Clarence Mitchell will want it banned
So will the McCanns
So will the government
So will MI5.

This programme has way more impact than even Goncalo`s book and Richard Hall is to be praised for all the work he`s put in.

The photography is good, far better than any documentary shown by MSM.  It is well laid out and easy to understand. Richard lists all the irregularities and shows diagrams of connections between people.

Richard has made this programme because he is sick and tired of the MSM not telling the truth.  He exposes how Clarence Mitchell has been controlling the media and keeping the case alive for years with bogus sightings, that the Media  Monitoring Unit is just a department of disinformation.  He queries the government involvement from day 1 and the huge number of government people and departments sent out to support the McCanns (when MBM could have been found any minute).

I`m not going to go through everything but Richard analyses the Open/Closed bedroom door, the windows, the curtains, the weather.  He shows the discrepancies in the statements and shows how the McCanns have tried to back fill all these inconsistences.  In Disc 2 he spends a lot of time on David Payne irregularities including his visit to the apartment, the tennis game etc and also the fact that Leicester Police didn`t send the Gaspar statements to the PJ for 5 months.

He reports on the dogs findings and the McCann`s reaction to them and all the excuses they came up with to explain cadaver odour and blood and how they said dogs were unreliable and also how they tried to use the Zapata case as an example.

Disc 3 is about all the corrupt Private Investigators the McCanns used and Brian Kennedy`s involvement in arranging them all.  He mentions all the money wasted on these PIs - also the fact they were about money laundering and not looking for missing people.  One thing I didn`t know was that BK said the meeting with Murat was to offer him a job to help find Madeleine.

Disc 4 is about the government agents, the Alfaig team and shows how the McCanns were just making up dramatic news headlines.  Government involvement highlights Tony Blair, Milliband and Gordon Brown and how they employed professional liars (spin doctors) and he asks what was so important for the government to get involved so heavily.  He thinks it was Sheree Dodd who Tony Blair made the Special Foreign Office Ambassador to the McCanns that sussed that something was not right and reported back her feelings - she was then dropped.  He explains how it was Gordon Brown who insisted on JT`s sketch of the `abductor` be released 5 months later, even though the PJ did not believe it was a credible sketch.

He asks who gave the order for CEOP to go to Portugal and why Jim Gamble asks for all their holiday snaps, so bypassing the PJ.  He also queries Alex Woolfall`s need to have the McCann`s cameras.

Murat doesn`t have much of a mention, apart from his arquido status and the fact his phone was switched off in unison with Gerry McCann`s.  Richard said he will probably do another documentary purely on RM as there is so much more information on him.

What rang bells for me was how Richard finished the documentary.  He played Ken Livingstone`s words about Kincora Boys Home and how he had found out that MI5 filmed important government people abusing boys in order the government officials could be controlled and blackmailed.  Could this be the crux of the whole mystery?

This documentary was so well laid out in a form one could understand - it clarified a lot of the cloudiness for me and helped me make the connections that I was unable to before.

Well worth the money.  Richard Hall also says there is no copyright and he asks that people make their own copies and distribute.  I was pleased to pay the £20. for someone working so hard to expose this crime.
You beat me to it!  thumbsup  Have just finished watching second DVD. Gaspers Statements laid bare for all to see. So much accurate information for anyone and put in a way that leaves no room for doubt! More about the dogs etc etc. 
Richard D Hall needs to be applauded, not least because he makes it clear at start that he has waived copyright and is happy, therefore, for copies to be made.
He is obviously wishing to inform rather than make money. Good for him!!!

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