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Post by lozzyp on 21.07.14 21:24

i dont really post, but i read everything. i hope mcanns get their just desserts. Helenmeg's idea about selling suppotr badges with blue ribbons to support mr goncala is genius, i'd love to buy some, and i bet all on here and hideho et al would too.

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by roy rovers on 21.07.14 21:30

@Casey5 wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
To take the mccanns and UK papers to court, he would have to file the charges in UK, and IMO he would struggle to find a lawyer in UK willing to represent him, not when the news are still pro mccanns.  
When the tide changed and the mccanns prosecuted, maybe his chance of suing the newspapers would be considerably better.

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I don't believe Dr Amaral would have any problem whatsoever in finding any number of lawyers willing to take on his case over here. Lawyers will work for anyone who has the money to pay them, that's their job and they don't care whether it's Pinochet or Abu Hamza.
As long as he can pay any law firm would welcome him with open arms, I'm sure. They aren't concerned about what the newspapers will print either, maybe they could get an injunction stopping them printing anything. big grin Who knows.

Or even work for anyone who doesn't have the money on a contingency fee basis also known as a 'no win no fee agreement' - so long as there is a fair chance of success.

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Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by XTC on 21.07.14 22:22

@roy rovers wrote:
@Casey5 wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
To take the mccanns and UK papers to court, he would have to file the charges in UK, and IMO he would struggle to find a lawyer in UK willing to represent him, not when the news are still pro mccanns.  
When the tide changed and the mccanns prosecuted, maybe his chance of suing the newspapers would be considerably better.

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I don't believe Dr Amaral would have any problem whatsoever in finding any number of lawyers willing to take on his case over here. Lawyers will work for anyone who has the money to pay them, that's their job and they don't care whether it's Pinochet or Abu Hamza.
As long as he can pay any law firm would welcome him with open arms, I'm sure. They aren't concerned about what the newspapers will print either, maybe they could get an injunction stopping them printing anything. big grin Who knows.

Or even work for anyone who doesn't have the money on a contingency fee basis also known as a 'no win no fee agreement' - so long as there is a fair chance of success.


Interesting ' Causal nexus '

Let's look at action rather than words then.

Mr McCann went back to work.

Mrs McCann started looking for Madeliene on the Internet.

The nexus did not prevent the couple from asking other people to keep looking for Madeleine. they looked ( and still are - SY)

Mr Amaral needs a Mike Mansfield like lawyer. Pro Bono or payment by results. Failing that he needs to get a rival to CR to
take his cases on and if you can't beat them join them and sue the Britsh media in particular.

Who knows they all might settle out of Court?

Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka did OK out of that strategy.


He is short of cash ( tied up at the moment ) so possibly the Justice system he believes in will recognise his rights as a
Portuguese Citizen and financially assist him?

Failing that though the Pro Bono lawyer rival to CR option is the best in my humble opinion.





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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by View-from-Ireland on 21.07.14 22:37

@SuspiciousMinds wrote:This sounds to me as if Mr. Amaral is hugely confident that he's got the legal win all wrapped up, and the McCanns have now left themselves wide open to accusations that they put him through the whole rigmarole out of sheer vindictiveness and spite. They've lost, and now he's going to make them pay.

GO, GO, GONCALO!!!  Mrs

I sincerely hope that you will be proved right.

GO Goncalo!

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by PeterMac on 21.07.14 22:56

@ultimaThule wrote:And good quality t-shirts with the slogan "I'm proud to be a friend of Goncalo Amaral" and wristbands overprinted with "Forca Goncalo"?    big grin 

And also perhaps the slogan
"I am proud to be searching for the truth about Madeleine"

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by plebgate on 21.07.14 23:07

@margaret wrote:Re-reading it l think he's expecting more delays from the McCanns on Sept 1st, but in the meantime he intends to start legal proceedings against newspapers and people who have libelled him??

That's what I thought too.

Joana has now translated:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/07/goncalo-amaral-on-mistakes-made-by.html

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by rustyjames on 21.07.14 23:24

Thanks plebgate that's a lot clearer....

All that remains for me now is to express my thanks and acknowledge all the support I have received from all those who believe in justice and truth, without which it would not have been possible for me to cope with the process. Or without which I could not even consider, as I am, to bring a lawsuit against the McCann couple and others, in order to be reimbursed of the extensive losses that they have caused me at every level, namely morally, professionally and financially.

Now it is the time to react judicially against all those who have jeopardized my rights to privacy, intimacy, freedom of expression, opinion and livelihood opportunities.

They have tried to ‘assassinate’ me judicially, but thanks to the support and solidarity of all of you, they have failed.

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by plebgate on 21.07.14 23:28

@rustyjames wrote:Thanks plebgate that's a lot clearer....

All that remains for me now is to express my thanks and acknowledge all the support I have received from all those who believe in justice and truth, without which it would not have been possible for me to cope with the process. Or without which I could not even consider, as I am, to bring a lawsuit against the McCann couple and others, in order to be reimbursed of the extensive losses that they have caused me at every level, namely morally, professionally and financially.

Now it is the time to react judicially against all those who have jeopardized my rights to privacy, intimacy, freedom of expression, opinion and livelihood opportunities.

They have tried to ‘assassinate’ me judicially, but thanks to the support and solidarity of all of you, they have failed[/color].


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Rocky sounds very confident to me.   Oh  errrrrr.    Has it hit the fan?

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by MRNOODLES on 21.07.14 23:55

@View-from-Ireland wrote:
@SuspiciousMinds wrote:This sounds to me as if Mr. Amaral is hugely confident that he's got the legal win all wrapped up, and the McCanns have now left themselves wide open to accusations that they put him through the whole rigmarole out of sheer vindictiveness and spite. They've lost, and now he's going to make them pay.

GO, GO, GONCALO!!!  Mrs

I sincerely hope that you will be proved right.

GO Goncalo!

If Rocky wins, is there an appeal process the McCanns can drag it out for another year or two?

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by aiyoyo on 22.07.14 0:01

@Casey5 wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
To take the mccanns and UK papers to court, he would have to file the charges in UK, and IMO he would struggle to find a lawyer in UK willing to represent him, not when the news are still pro mccanns.  
When the tide changed and the mccanns prosecuted, maybe his chance of suing the newspapers would be considerably better.

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I don't believe Dr Amaral would have any problem whatsoever in finding any number of lawyers willing to take on his case over here. Lawyers will work for anyone who has the money to pay them, that's their job and they don't care whether it's Pinochet or Abu Hamza.
As long as he can pay any law firm would welcome him with open arms, I'm sure. They aren't concerned about what the newspapers will print either, maybe they could get an injunction stopping them printing anything. big grin Who knows.

Yeah, if you have the money.
Unless Amaral has unlimited financial support from someone, he's not going to be able to afford expensive UK law firm.

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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by Bishop Brennan on 22.07.14 0:43


And here is a full human translation of GA's statement:

http://pjga.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-message-from-goncalo-amaral_21.html


Dear friends,

Upon reading the news about the most recent trial session, I am certain that the vast majority of journalists don’t know what is being discussed in court, and have not reported correctly.

Let us be clear. What is at stake is to find out:

- Whether the writing of my book “Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira” was a lawful or unlawful action;

- Whether or not the plaintiffs have suffered damages and whether or not there are facts to prove it;

- Whether or not it is possible to establish a causal nexus between the book and such damages.

This is what is at stake.

Concerning the book’s lawfulness, I suggest to anyone who has doubts to read the Lisbon Appellate Court’s decision within the injunction that preceded the current action. The truth is that for the Appellate Court’s Illustrious Judges, as can be concluded from that decision, the lawfulness of the book’s publication is indisputable.

With proof of the lawfulness of the book, the matter should rest here, without the need to investigate anything further, namely concerning the damages that the plaintiffs complain about.

Nonetheless, we should note that even if the lawfulness may still be at stake, there is still the need to establish a causal nexus between the publication and the damages that the plaintiffs complain about, such as deep depression, social isolation, etc. And, of course, to prove that said damages, no matter where they originate from, really exist.

Concerning the social part, it seems obvious to me, if we pay attention to the countless social events that the plaintiffs have participated in, including speeches at the British Parliament, interviews on television shows like Oprah Winfrey’s, gala dinners with illustrious personalities, namely British, among others, that said social isolation is totally false.

Concerning the depressions, although they are in no way proved within the case, in my opinion, in fact it would be very strange if they didn’t exist. The disappearance of a daughter, whether she is dead or alive, whether or not she was abducted, has to originate enormous consequences of that kind. How strange would it be if that wasn’t the case! But about this issue I won’t say anything further, given that the plaintiffs seem to attribute to me and my book all of their pain, as if said disappearance, followed by their arguido status and other circumstances that surround the case, were of no importance, or weren’t more than enough!

Unfortunately, due to clearly dilatory manoeuvres from the plaintiffs, that have once more forced a postponement of the hearing, I am afraid that the trial will drag on – as they clearly wish -, and we won’t have a sentence soon, as I wish would happen, and as I long for. Furthermore, the judicial holidays have already started and, as the Illustrious Judge explained, with the new judiciary organisation coming into force on the 1st of September, the process’ slowness will be considerably increased.

However, my trust in Portuguese justice remains steadfast.

All that is left for me is to recognise and thank you for all the support that I have received, from all those that believe in justice and in truth, without which it would have been impossible for me to fight this lawsuit. Or to lead me to ponder, as I do, to file a lawsuit against the McCann couple and others, in order to be compensated for the enormous damages that they have caused me already, on all levels, such as moral, professional and financial.

The time to judicially react to all those who have put my privacy, my intimacy, my freedom of expression and opinion, and my survival conditions at stake is approaching.

They have tried to assassinate me civilly, but due to the support and solidarity of all of you, they were not successful.

Thank you very much,

Lisboa July 21st, 2014

Gonçalo Amaral


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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by aiyoyo on 22.07.14 1:09

@ultimaThule wrote:


As I understand it, the new system will result in the closure of courts in the interior of Portugal which will inevitably put more pressure on courts such as those in Lisbon http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930425000238  I would have thought it unlikely there will be a change of judge at this late stage in the proceedings,aiyoyo, but it may mean that the case becomes more protracted due to the increased demand for courtroom time in which to hear new cases or those ongoing cases which will have been referred to Lisbon.

Not the way I interpret it.  Mapping could mean reshuffling of judges location wise or reallocation of cases.

I have no idea whether judges in ongoing cases will be affected by remapping structure or not, But I suspect that is an unknown factor (even to lawyers) and that would explain ID delay tactics, just a strategy to buy her some time hoping to encounter an unexpected chance for them.


The UK's major news titles are available online, either free or by subscription, and as they are widely read by expats and other English speakers in Portugal it may not be necessary for any defamation proceedings to be confined to the Royal Courts of Justice but, from the article above, it may be a quicker route to redress.

Irrespective that worldwide newspapers titles are accessible to expats, foreigners and all the various nationalities living in any foreign country, for defamation proceedings to be legally effective, it is best confined to courts of justice.  If Amaral wishes to get redress and proper vindication taking it to Court is his best bet.  

However, as Dr Amaral is unlikely to experience any difficulty in finding a firm of highly competent and experienced London solicitors to represent him, it's to be hoped that any UK newspaper which can be shown to have defamed him will see fit to act in a similar manner to that of Mr Desmond who apologised to the Tapas 7 by way of a printed retraction and a very large cheque without them being required to enter a court of law.

I beg to differ.  He would (encounter difficulty I mean) in engaging UK lawyer to represent him.
Besides the language barrier, going up against the mcs and national UK newspapers titles is a formidable task for any law firm to tackle if the current climate is not changed.  
Until the tide changes against mcs, and they're in the dock, I suspect even winning the libel case may not be sufficient to influence UK lawyer to accept to take on his case.
Besides, the fees of a reputable/formidable lawyer is going to be very exorbitant, beyond his pocket. Even with his assets returned to him, he wont be able to match the financial might of newspapers or maybe not even the mcs for that matter.


With one or more of those under his belt, Dr Amaral will have ample funds to sue his main protagonists if, that is, he deems it worthwhile to do so.

Newspapers are not going to offer settlement that easily.
They would weigh up their chances depending on many factors (nature of the case, strength of litigator's lawyer, clout and financial capacity of litigator, etc) before they part with their money.

If it was that easy, he could have sued the UK papers and Pinky and also had his book published in English by now.  No, sorry, I'm afraid even after he has won the libel, it wont be easy for him to take the UK newspapers and mcs to court for defamation, unless something has to give first.


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Re: Posted by Snr.Amaral on Facebook 21/7/14

Post by Guest on 22.07.14 9:31

@plebgate wrote:
@rustyjames wrote:Thanks plebgate that's a lot clearer....

All that remains for me now is to express my thanks and acknowledge all the support I have received from all those who believe in justice and truth, without which it would not have been possible for me to cope with the process. Or without which I could not even consider, as I am, to bring a lawsuit against the McCann couple and others, in order to be reimbursed of the extensive losses that they have caused me at every level, namely morally, professionally and financially.

Now it is the time to react judicially against all those who have jeopardized my rights to privacy, intimacy, freedom of expression, opinion and livelihood opportunities.

They have tried to ‘assassinate’ me judicially, but thanks to the support and solidarity of all of you, they have failed[/color].


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Rocky sounds very confident to me.   Oh  errrrrr.    Has it hit the fan?

That was my first thought too, plebgate.

Put yourself in Sr Amaral's shoes. Until the judge gives her verdict, you wouldn't want to tempt fate, or risk upsetting the court, would you? Unless the verdict is no longer important.

However, my trust in Portuguese justice remains steadfast.

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Post by margaret on 22.07.14 9:59

They're fucked. The Mccanns will rue the day they sued Mr.Amaral.

And the beauty of it is, they only have themselves to blame.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 22.07.14 10:02

Even though I do not know GA personally, from what I have learned of him through this process I would say that he values a peaceful, loving life more than vengeance.  Although he rightly deserves compensation for the hounding and utter hell the MCs and their minions have put him through, I fear it would cause years more stress and turmoil for him. Ultimately I think he will walk away, secure in the knowledge that he stood for truth and justice and that that has been recognised by all those who share those values.

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Post by HelenMeg on 22.07.14 10:18

@Truthandjustice wrote:Even though I do not know GA personally, from what I have learned of him through this process I would say that he values a peaceful, loving life more than vengeance.  Although he rightly deserves compensation for the hounding and utter hell the MCs and their minions have put him through, I fear it would cause years more stress and turmoil for him. Ultimately I think he will walk away, secure in the knowledge that he stood for truth and justice and that that has been recognised by all those who share those values.
Agree.

I still think it would be ok to wear a badge acknowledging an alliance to GA.  Last night I was looking at sites who create them. round plastic type badges, simple satin sash-bow etc - none cost very much in bulk. I would try and carry this idea forward except that it may be hard to administer and we would each have to pay a small amount (say £2 / per badge ). Is it  better to just show our support here in the forum? To administer this - there would need to be an address for sending the money to. Its easy not to do anything but is it better to do something.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 22.07.14 10:23

@HelenMeg wrote:
@Truthandjustice wrote:Even though I do not know GA personally, from what I have learned of him through this process I would say that he values a peaceful, loving life more than vengeance.  Although he rightly deserves compensation for the hounding and utter hell the MCs and their minions have put him through, I fear it would cause years more stress and turmoil for him. Ultimately I think he will walk away, secure in the knowledge that he stood for truth and justice and that that has been recognised by all those who share those values.
Agree.

I still think it would be ok to wear a badge acknowledging an alliance to GA.  Last night I was looking at sites who create them. round plastic type badges, simple satin sash-bow etc - none cost very much in bulk. I would try and carry this idea forward except that it may be hard to administer and we would each have to pay a small amount (say £2 / per badge ). Is it  better to just show our support here in the forum? To administer this - there would need to be an address for sending the money to. Its easy not to do anything but is it better to do something.
I recommend supporting the pjga legal fund as being most helpful at the moment. In terms of personal support, probably best not to increase his assets  in view of litigious sharks circling.

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Post by inspirespirit on 22.07.14 10:42

and Rocky comes back fighting....   Go Goncalo !!!

I think he has appeared quite depressed in the past, but it looks to me as if he has got his second wind and is now going to go for them, all guns blazing. clapping

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Post by MrsC on 22.07.14 10:53

@HelenMeg wrote:

I still think it would be ok to wear a badge acknowledging an alliance to GA.  Last night I was looking at sites who create them. round plastic type badges, simple satin sash-bow etc - none cost very much in bulk. I would try and carry this idea forward except that it may be hard to administer and we would each have to pay a small amount (say £2 / per badge ). Is it  better to just show our support here in the forum? To administer this - there would need to be an address for sending the money to. Its easy not to do anything but is it better to do something.

It's a great idea. Perhaps those of us who wish to support GA could print off an A6 size poster, design agreed on and posted up on this site, and stick in our car/house window?

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Post by Ashwarya on 22.07.14 13:15

It is well known that Mr Amaral has never been willing to accept any donations towards his living expenses, even though he has been living in great poverty for years now thanks to the vindictiveness of the McCanns.  However, it is possible to support him legally via the PJGA fund (http://pjga.blogspot.com/ ) and as others have said, I think this is the best way to spend whatever resources we can afford.  It would be lovely to have a good quality wrist band etc, and I would be so proud to wear one, but at the moment, especially if he is hoping to embark on some legal action, we should concentrate our resources here.  I don't suppose any of us are particularly rich, or he would have a backer by now, but just putting small amounts into the fund regularly must help a lot if there are enough of us.

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Len Port has featured it in Algarveresident

Post by PeterMac on 22.07.14 13:35

http://algarvenewswatch.blogspot.pt/2014/07/amaral-hits-back-at-mccanns-claims.html
Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Amaral hits back at McCanns’ claims
Gonçalo Amaral insists that the lawfulness of his book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira is “indisputable” and has reiterated that he may file a counter lawsuit against Kate and Gerry McCann.
The lead detective in the original investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann revealed this in a Facebook message to supporters in which he gave an assessment of his position on the current libel action brought against him by the McCanns.
Mr Amaral said he was considering seeking compensation from the McCanns and others for the enormous damages he claims they have caused him on different levels.


Let us PRAY !

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Post by missmar1 on 22.07.14 16:31

@inspirespirit wrote:and Rocky comes back fighting....   Go Goncalo !!!

I think he has appeared quite depressed in the past, but it looks to me as if he has got his second wind and is now going to go for them, all guns blazing. clapping


Well I have read that Mr Amaral recently changed his avatar to an Eagle ......that sounds to me he has the confidence to speak out and finally take legal redress against those that deserve it .   Lets hope he has finally gotten his chance to bring media attention to the Mccann's and others failings.

Imo, the Mccann's were riding the crest of a wave when they initially instigated this case against Mr Amaral, but the way he has steadfastly refused to back down in the intervening years has shown the Mccann's he will definately not roll over,   I dont think they would even consider bringing such a case against him in 2014...in fact, imo, they must now be wishing they had left well alone all those years ago while they had the upper hand. All my opinion only.

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Post by canada12 on 22.07.14 16:51

@PeterMac wrote:http://algarvenewswatch.blogspot.pt/2014/07/amaral-hits-back-at-mccanns-claims.html
Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Amaral hits back at McCanns’ claims
Gonçalo Amaral insists that the lawfulness of his book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira is “indisputable” and has reiterated that he may file a counter lawsuit against Kate and Gerry McCann.
The lead detective in the original investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann revealed this in a Facebook message to supporters in which he gave an assessment of his position on the current libel action brought against him by the McCanns.
Mr Amaral said he was considering seeking compensation from the McCanns and others for the enormous damages he claims they have caused him on different levels.  


Let us PRAY !
A couple of thoughts...

I don't think the McCanns have ever had to deal with any lawsuits against them...have they? It's all been a one way street with them launching lawsuits against others. I fervently hope GA does sue them and is successful. It might set a precedent.

Perhaps the good people of PDL might then wish to consider launching a class action lawsuit (if there is such a thing in Portugal) against the McCanns for bringing disrepute to their town and causing the reputation of the town to suffer irreparable damage as a result of their (IMO) ridiculous claims. I think they might win.

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Post by missmar1 on 22.07.14 17:03

@canada12 wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:http://algarvenewswatch.blogspot.pt/2014/07/amaral-hits-back-at-mccanns-claims.html
Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Amaral hits back at McCanns’ claims
Gonçalo Amaral insists that the lawfulness of his book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira is “indisputable” and has reiterated that he may file a counter lawsuit against Kate and Gerry McCann.
The lead detective in the original investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann revealed this in a Facebook message to supporters in which he gave an assessment of his position on the current libel action brought against him by the McCanns.
Mr Amaral said he was considering seeking compensation from the McCanns and others for the enormous damages he claims they have caused him on different levels.  


Let us PRAY !
A couple of thoughts...

I don't think the McCanns have ever had to deal with any lawsuits against them...have they? It's all been a one way street with them launching lawsuits against others. I fervently hope GA does sue them and is successful. It might set a precedent.

Perhaps the good people of PDL might then wish to consider launching a class action lawsuit (if there is such a thing in Portugal) against the McCanns for bringing disrepute to their town and causing the reputation of the town to suffer irreparable damage as a result of their (IMO) ridiculous claims. I think they might win.


As far as I'm aware the Mccann's have not had any lawsuits against them  -  it's been a one-way street with them bringing all the threats of legal action  ( Via their expensive lawyers, btw, who's paying for all their legal teams ?    Wonder if the money is coming from the same source that paid a couple of mortgage payments for them so soon after their daughter went missing ?  All imo only.

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Ribbons for Rocky

Post by Guest on 22.07.14 17:36

With regards the idea of badges to show support, may I make a suggestion? Further to posters for our windows, this one would be easy for us all to do.

I think we could simplify things whilst still making a gesture of support and solidarity with Goncalo Amaral, and raise awareness of his current situation and the ongoing fight for justice and truth for MBM, whilst not creating a logistical headache for ourselves in the situation of ordering and distributing badges etc, after all we will not have experts in PR parachuted in to help us with an instant campaign including high quality wristbands etc!!  

Anyway, my idea is to keep things simple and make a symbolic, awareness raising gesture. If all of us on here, and any supporters could get ourselves a small piece of ribbon of a pre-agreed, particular colour, and pin it to our jacket lapels or bags, in the style of many charities nowadays.

When people ask what this ribbon stands for, we can explain we are sympathetic to the plight of GA, who only ever wanted justice for MBM and who is being hounded through the courts by you know who. Also, that we too only want truth and justice for MBM.

Good idea? Bad idea?

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