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Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

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Re: Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Post by Woofer on 18.07.14 8:11

I agree Tony - Grange won`t have to justify their findings  INITIALLY ......

BUT it wouldn`t take much for the Investigation to be challenged at a later date if someone blows the whistle or more information surfaces.

Yes, outwardly it all points to a cover-up ...... but would they risk it in the present environment of establishment corruption being exposed daily?  This is the one thing that keeps me optimistic.

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Re: Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Post by soundworks on 18.07.14 8:18

personally I don't think it will be a cover up. I think they will be ruling everything out before they are left with that the only suspects are the tapas 9

As soon as the tapas 9 are questioned then it will all explode with each trying to protect themselves doing deals etc.

The clock is ticking


That's what I'm hoping !

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Re: Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Post by suzyjohnson on 18.07.14 11:08

If SY are 'developing a narrative' then in the long run it won't work. There is too much written and online about this case, the mystery will be revisited time and time again over the years.

Whether anything else will come to light in the future or not, a 'narrative' which doesn't answer the facts of the case will never work, so in that respect they are just making things worse. The McCanns, unfortunately for them, whether guilty or innocent will never get away from speculation.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 18.07.14 16:03

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
The Met is going to be put under the microscope like never before...
Tell me how, if at all, Operation Grange has been 'put under the microscope' so far - apart fom here on CMOMM.

Tell me how the mainstream media have challenged Operation Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challeged the costs of Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challenged the provenance of those two Henri Exton-produced e-fits.

Did anyone apart from on here put Redwood's 'revelation moment' - of suddenly producing 'Crecheman' out of the hat - under the microscope?

Tell me where and when the London Assembly members of the Metropolitan Police Authority have 'put Grange under the microscope'.

How many times has Grange been questioned in the Houses of Parliament?

Will any final report into Grange be made public? - or kept secret?

If you don't know the answer to that last question, you shouldn't, with respect, be suggesting that Grange will ever be 'put under the microscope'.

I didn't claim Operation Grange was under the microscope Tony. Just the Met as a whole is, or should be, as part of historic corruption investigations. Maybe I'm naive but would like to think any investigations into Met corruption of the past would also look at current cases too.

It would be ridiculous to investigate past corruption only to ignore possible current corruption.  

Until OG comes to a official conclusion or otherwise to an end, that is when questions can/should be asked. 

I'm currently thinking along the lines of soundworks. Eliminate/investigate everything no matter how ridiculous until all is left is the Tapas 9.

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Post by Justformaddie on 18.07.14 16:31

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
The Met is going to be put under the microscope like never before...
Tell me how, if at all, Operation Grange has been 'put under the microscope' so far - apart fom here on CMOMM.

Tell me how the mainstream media have challenged Operation Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challeged the costs of Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challenged the provenance of those two Henri Exton-produced e-fits.

Did anyone apart from on here put Redwood's 'revelation moment' - of suddenly producing 'Crecheman' out of the hat - under the microscope?

Tell me where and when the London Assembly members of the Metropolitan Police Authority have 'put Grange under the microscope'.

How many times has Grange been questioned in the Houses of Parliament?

Will any final report into Grange be made public? - or kept secret?

If you don't know the answer to that last question, you shouldn't, with respect, be suggesting that Grange will ever be 'put under the microscope'.

I didn't claim Operation Grange was under the microscope Tony. Just the Met as a whole is, or should be, as part of historic corruption investigations. Maybe I'm naive but would like to think any investigations into Met corruption of the past would also look at current cases too.

It would be ridiculous to investigate past corruption only to ignore possible current corruption.  

Until OG comes to a official conclusion or otherwise to an end, that is when questions can/should be asked. 

I'm currently thinking along the lines of soundworks. Eliminate/investigate everything no matter how ridiculous until all is left is the Tapas 9.
With what's happening now, and what was not public before, I think for the met to try to cover up this case now would be pretty silly, the world has it's eyes on this case. Though I do think that a cover up was planned at the start, for that to happen now, they'd be taking a big risk. IMO though.

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Post by aquila on 18.07.14 16:45

@Justformaddie wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
The Met is going to be put under the microscope like never before...
Tell me how, if at all, Operation Grange has been 'put under the microscope' so far - apart fom here on CMOMM.

Tell me how the mainstream media have challenged Operation Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challeged the costs of Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challenged the provenance of those two Henri Exton-produced e-fits.

Did anyone apart from on here put Redwood's 'revelation moment' - of suddenly producing 'Crecheman' out of the hat - under the microscope?

Tell me where and when the London Assembly members of the Metropolitan Police Authority have 'put Grange under the microscope'.

How many times has Grange been questioned in the Houses of Parliament?

Will any final report into Grange be made public? - or kept secret?

If you don't know the answer to that last question, you shouldn't, with respect, be suggesting that Grange will ever be 'put under the microscope'.

I didn't claim Operation Grange was under the microscope Tony. Just the Met as a whole is, or should be, as part of historic corruption investigations. Maybe I'm naive but would like to think any investigations into Met corruption of the past would also look at current cases too.

It would be ridiculous to investigate past corruption only to ignore possible current corruption.  

Until OG comes to a official conclusion or otherwise to an end, that is when questions can/should be asked. 

I'm currently thinking along the lines of soundworks. Eliminate/investigate everything no matter how ridiculous until all is left is the Tapas 9.
With what's happening now, and what was not public before, I think for the met to try to cover up this case now would be pretty silly, the world has it's eyes on this case. Though I do think that a cover up was planned at the start, for that to happen now, they'd be taking a big risk. IMO though.
That's where you are very wrong imo. The world doesn't have its eye on anything in particular. It's a myth to say the case of Madeleine is global and everyone 'out there' cares. Madeleine is an icon. She's the Diana of our time with regards to the press. Madeleine is a comforter to those who want to say 'how awful for the family' and 'aren't they great in their relentless search'.

Most people are busy with their own lives and their own families and love a touch of human interest on the odd occasion they scan a newspaper or watch SkyNews for the latest 'Scotland Yard come to the rescue and save British child on holiday with parents snatched by evil foreigners and a really crappy, dopey, uneducated, dull and witless foreign police service'.

The fact that Madeleine appears to be a worldwide icon for a missing child is disturbing in itself.






There's no truth at the moment.

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Re: Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Post by Bishop Brennan on 18.07.14 17:24

@Justformaddie wrote:
With what's happening now, and what was not public before, I think for the met to try to cover up this case now would be pretty silly, the world has it's eyes on this case. Though I do think that a cover up was planned at the start, for that to happen now, they'd be taking a big risk. IMO though.

The thing is that they don't really need to "cover it up" as such. They have already done enough: Crimewatch, the headlines about the burglars / smellyman / tractorman; the high-profile digs; the 4 Arguidos and 11 witnesses; the statements from BHH, AR and other SY senior players. The new story has already been told. All they need do now is close up shop, claiming more urgent needs for their manpower. The new narrative has all it needs except an ending, which of course it could never have...

Remember SY did not ask for this investigation and they were shackled from day 1. They know now that it's unsolvable in its current (no T9 involvement) form. I suspect they just want to get on with some real police work.


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Re: Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Post by cockerspaniel on 21.07.14 17:33

Lets all face it....in black and white...."IF" scotland yard were ever going to investigate the Mccs and the rest of the Tapas lot and then proceed to build a case against them they would have done so by now (they have had over 7 years knowledge of this case) but alas as Mr Redwood told us all quite clearly dont forget, they are NOT involved. So I say to all of you who are waiting for every other person in the whole wide world (and lets face it they could come up with a new suspect everyday if they choose) to be eliminated first....then my friends you are going to have a very very very long wait !

Personally I dont think the media or the Met give a flying one about what the public think or what the public want, we are mearly peasants, and with no revolt on the horizon (where can i get a good quality pitchfork anyone?) nothing will change.

Sadly without all the people who were there being questioned properly (to either convict or exonerate) there will never be justice for this poor child one way or the other for us all on this forum.

I am firmly in the WHITEWASH camp, my only hope is that GA comes forward with some knowledge if he has it that will solve this case.

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Post by kimHager on 21.07.14 17:40

For madeleine to have been murdered in 5a is one thing....but to have the curtaind washed and TM cleaning up a crime scene is the part that would need explaining especially when if no crime was committed why the clean up IMO

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 21.07.14 18:19

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
The Met is going to be put under the microscope like never before...
Tell me how, if at all, Operation Grange has been 'put under the microscope' so far - apart fom here on CMOMM.

Tell me how the mainstream media have challenged Operation Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challeged the costs of Grange.

Tell me where the mainstream media have challenged the provenance of those two Henri Exton-produced e-fits.

Did anyone apart from on here put Redwood's 'revelation moment' - of suddenly producing 'Crecheman' out of the hat - under the microscope?

Tell me where and when the London Assembly members of the Metropolitan Police Authority have 'put Grange under the microscope'.

How many times has Grange been questioned in the Houses of Parliament?

Will any final report into Grange be made public? - or kept secret?

If you don't know the answer to that last question, you shouldn't, with respect, be suggesting that Grange will ever be 'put under the microscope'.

I didn't claim Operation Grange was under the microscope Tony. Just the Met as a whole is, or should be, as part of historic corruption investigations. Maybe I'm naive but would like to think any investigations into Met corruption of the past would also look at current cases too.

It would be ridiculous to investigate past corruption only to ignore possible current corruption.  

Until OG comes to a official conclusion or otherwise to an end, that is when questions can/should be asked. 

I'm currently thinking along the lines of soundworks. Eliminate/investigate everything no matter how ridiculous until all is left is the Tapas 9.

I suspect the T9 love your line of thinking. Because another suspect will be brought in to join the queue. They have yet to find and eliminate Smithman and 'O' man so the T9 don't need to worry.

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Re: Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Post by nglfi on 21.07.14 18:34

I may be slightly off on a tangent here, but I thought I'd mention the case of Nisha Patel who was murdered in 2006 -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisha_Patel-Nasri

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSJJq7q5vLs



Here is an example of a woman who was murdered by her husband (or rather by hitmen he paid). After Nisha's death it turned out Police had had her on their radar, as she had been helping her husband run an escort agency. Her husband appeared on this Crimewatch reconstruction only a couple of weeks after the event. Obviously he was interviewed as a grieving husband and nothing more, and the police stated they were not considering him as a suspect.
However, once the murder weapon was found a trail of evidence led back to him and police were finally able to charge him. I think it highly likely that the police had their eye on him from the outset, as clearly most murders are perpetrated by someone known to the victim. Furthermore, he seems to have been a somewhat dodgy character, with underworld connections.
I'm just posting it as an example of the criminal being on a Crimewatch episode, being stated as not being a suspect and then going on to be charged, once sufficient evidence was found. I suggest that police will not always state their suspicions immediately, in order to collect enough evidence. Obviously the McCann case is very unique and with much information already in the public domain by the time of the last reconstruction, but it still gives me some hope.

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Post by plebgate on 21.07.14 23:24

@Woofer wrote:I agree Tony - Grange won`t have to justify their findings  INITIALLY ......

BUT it wouldn`t take much for the Investigation to be challenged at a later date if someone blows the whistle or more information surfaces.

Yes, outwardly it all points to a cover-up ...... but would they risk it in the present environment of establishment corruption being exposed daily?  This is the one thing that keeps me optimistic.
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My comment - Talking of whistle blowers, I read on a different thread here that it may be that certain people have had to sign the official secrets act. Also on a thread here I have read that some NHS staff have been given huge sums - up to half a million reportedly, to keep them quiet.

IF official secrets act has been signed then breaking it could result in jail. Would anyone be brave enough?








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Re: Redwood's Role - And the 'Theory of the Developing Narrative'

Post by Guest on 22.07.14 10:27

@plebgate wrote:
@Woofer wrote:I agree Tony - Grange won`t have to justify their findings  INITIALLY ......

BUT it wouldn`t take much for the Investigation to be challenged at a later date if someone blows the whistle or more information surfaces.

Yes, outwardly it all points to a cover-up ...... but would they risk it in the present environment of establishment corruption being exposed daily?  This is the one thing that keeps me optimistic.
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My comment -  Talking of whistle blowers, I read on a different thread here that it may be that certain people have had to sign the official secrets act.   Also on a thread here I have read that some NHS staff have been given huge sums - up to half a million reportedly, to keep them quiet.    

IF official secrets act has been signed then breaking it could result in jail.   Would anyone be brave enough?







That is very interesting Plebgate, ties in with what I have been thinking recently.

Would like to read this - can you remember what thread this was on or have any other souce - no worries if not.

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