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LAST DAY OF LIBEL TRIAL 8th July 2014 DISCUSSION AND NEWS

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Post by HelenMeg on 11.07.14 15:26

@FH wrote:
@jozi wrote:"GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true. duh

This statement is just bizarre, especially for a medic.

Entry to medical school in the UK is very competitive. Most students go into medicine directly from school and exam entry requirements to study medicine were high,  well before the MC's  went to medical school, so one has to assume they are both bright enough to  attain really good exam qualifications. The degree itself is quite challenging. The absolute key to good exam technique  is to read/listen to/analyze  the question being asked really carefully and then answer the question you were asked.

I come from a family containing  many medical professionals. In addition,  for a number of years I supervised medical students in chemistry labs.  I have generally found them to be very smart and very articulate, with very good verbal reasoning skills. Not all were personable, or likeable, but they all knew how to answer questions. They had to memorize vast quantities of facts  and accurately answer questions on it.  It was the skill that got them where they were all through their studies. 

So how is it that every time I read what the MC's have said, I REALLY struggle to understand how these 2 people (and the rest of the tapas lot) , who must have demonstrated a really good ability to answer questions in the past ,  could possibly have such a poor command of the English language now. Whether they are answering questions, or making statements, they often appear totally inarticulate. 

To me there is a huge discrepancy between their expected vs. actual verbal abilities. These are people who  REALLY  should be able to form an articulate, factual answer.

So why do they sometimes come across as complete morons? Is that what happens when a brain that is used to dealing in hard facts, tries to lie.
They don't seem able to string two words together coherently.
FH - I think that is exactly what happens when a brain is having to lie. I thoroughly agree - when you read through the rogatory statements of this group of doctors, they appear inarticulate, vague and like bumbling idiots. Clearly, they are not. The only explanation for this is that they are not permitted to talk as in direct memory recall. They are always having to make allowances for the fact that there is a script that they are following. They are clearly not comfortable and having to think twice before they speak. Most telling for me was when Jenni Murray (Woman's Hour R4 - link http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01115hc)

Jenny: 'Was she sleeping when you left her?'
 
Kate: (Very Long pause) 'Errm, yes, she was, yeah'.
 
Why should Kate need a significant pause to be able to answer that question? The immediate impression from both the pause, her answer and the way she says it, is that she momentarily didn't know what to say. But how could that be?

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Post by SchrodingersBody on 11.07.14 15:31

It could be because the dogs are bang on the money....

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Post by PeterMac on 11.07.14 15:32

@HelenMeg wrote:
Jenny: 'Was she sleeping when you left her?'
Kate: (Very Long pause) 'Errm, yes, she was, yeah'.
 
Why should Kate need a significant pause to be able to answer that question? The immediate impression from both the pause, her answer and the way she says it, is that she momentarily didn't know what to say. But how could that be?

Even more fascinating is that it doesn't matter what answer she gave.
Yes, possibly qualified by, they had all dropped off, hectic day in the pool / tennis court, 3 day eventing, triathlon training, . ..
No, but she was snuggled down and just said " I sincerely hope that you and the Tapas group have a pleasant meal tonight. Please give my regards to the other members and tell them how happy I am to be . . . . "

But she cannot work out which is the better answer, or what are implications of each, and so hesitates for a LONG time.

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Post by ultimaThule on 11.07.14 15:35

@FH wrote:
@jozi wrote:"GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true. duh

This statement is just bizarre, especially for a medic.

Entry to medical school in the UK is very competitive. Most students go into medicine directly from school and exam entry requirements to study medicine were high,  well before the MC's  went to medical school, so one has to assume they are both bright enough to  attain really good exam qualifications. The degree itself is quite challenging. The absolute key to good exam technique  is to read/listen to/analyze  the question being asked really carefully and then answer the question you were asked.

I come from a family containing  many medical professionals. In addition,  for a number of years I supervised medical students in chemistry labs.  I have generally found them to be very smart and very articulate, with very good verbal reasoning skills. Not all were personable, or likeable, but they all knew how to answer questions. They had to memorize vast quantities of facts  and accurately answer questions on it.  It was the skill that got them where they were all through their studies. 

So how is it that every time I read what the MC's have said, I REALLY struggle to understand how these 2 people (and the rest of the tapas lot) , who must have demonstrated a really good ability to answer questions in the past ,  could possibly have such a poor command of the English language now. Whether they are answering questions, or making statements, they often appear totally inarticulate. 

To me there is a huge discrepancy between their expected vs. actual verbal abilities. These are people who  REALLY  should be able to form an articulate, factual answer.

So why do they sometimes come across as complete morons? Is that what happens when a brain that is used to dealing in hard facts, tries to lie.
They don't seem able to string two words together coherently.

In terms of academic ranking, both of the McCanns went to third rate med schools on what was known as the 'working class ticket', one of the various quotas which were intended to make the profession more representative of the population at large rather than being the more or less exclusive province of the offspring of doctors and other upper middle class professionals.

While there will never be a shortage of outstanding candidates from all social classes for Oxbridge, Bart's, King's etc, in order to fulfill the annual quota system which was imposed on them some med schools had no option but to admit less gifted applicants and, in the case of the McCanns, it seems that Dundee and Glasgow drew two particularly thick straws.

That said, those 'used to dealing in hard facts' can be inclined to stumble over their words as they go through the mental process of endeavouring to avoid making any statement which could subsequently be proved to be fiction and many fall into the trap of adding unnecessary embellishment in order to convince the listener that their accounts are truthful.

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Post by sallypelt on 11.07.14 15:47

@ultimaThule wrote:
@FH wrote:
@jozi wrote:"GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true. duh

This statement is just bizarre, especially for a medic.

Entry to medical school in the UK is very competitive. Most students go into medicine directly from school and exam entry requirements to study medicine were high,  well before the MC's  went to medical school, so one has to assume they are both bright enough to  attain really good exam qualifications. The degree itself is quite challenging. The absolute key to good exam technique  is to read/listen to/analyze  the question being asked really carefully and then answer the question you were asked.

I come from a family containing  many medical professionals. In addition,  for a number of years I supervised medical students in chemistry labs.  I have generally found them to be very smart and very articulate, with very good verbal reasoning skills. Not all were personable, or likeable, but they all knew how to answer questions. They had to memorize vast quantities of facts  and accurately answer questions on it.  It was the skill that got them where they were all through their studies. 

So how is it that every time I read what the MC's have said, I REALLY struggle to understand how these 2 people (and the rest of the tapas lot) , who must have demonstrated a really good ability to answer questions in the past ,  could possibly have such a poor command of the English language now. Whether they are answering questions, or making statements, they often appear totally inarticulate. 

To me there is a huge discrepancy between their expected vs. actual verbal abilities. These are people who  REALLY  should be able to form an articulate, factual answer.

So why do they sometimes come across as complete morons? Is that what happens when a brain that is used to dealing in hard facts, tries to lie.
They don't seem able to string two words together coherently.

In terms of academic ranking, both of the McCanns went to third rate med schools on what was known as the 'working class ticket', one of the various quotas which were intended to make the profession more representative of the population at large rather than being the more or less exclusive province of the offspring of doctors and other upper middle class professionals.

While there will never be a shortage of outstanding candidates from all social classes for Oxbridge, Bart's, King's etc, in order to fulfill the annual quota system which was imposed on them some med schools had no option but to admit less gifted applicants and, in the case of the McCanns, it seems that Dundee and Glasgow drew two particularly thick straws.

That said, those 'used to dealing in hard facts' can be inclined to stumble over their words as they go through the mental process of endeavouring to avoid making any statement which could subsequently be proved to be fiction and many fall into the trap of adding unnecessary embellishment in order to convince the listener that their accounts are truthful.

Now, now, Ulti shame on you  are you suggesting that David Payne, for example, falls below par, in the intellect department? Here are a few extracts from David Payne's PJ statements:

1485 "Okay, David, just tell me a bit about yourself, a bit about your family, you're obviously married to Fiona PAYNE, you've told me where you live, just tell me a bit about yourself and her.'
Reply "Okay, err as I say we have two children........ I say we both work as hospital Doctors err we both, err myself and Fiona trained in Leicester err where we graduated from err we both, we met when we were at Medical School and err yeah on the whole we've worked in the Leicestershire err region. Err you know we're both very happy, err''...............

.........Okay. Tell me about your social circle.'
Reply "Okay, err you know, when we got married, we actually got married in Italy and the majority of friends of ours unfortunately, or fortunately, are in the medical profession, I think it's the way it works with the hours and err yeah the nature of the job and exams etcetera, like you tend to socialise quite a lot with medical people. Err obviously the, you know the group who went to Portugal, Russell, err who I knew through, he was in my year at medical school, err subsequently obviously I knew Jane through Russell. Err in terms of Kate and Gerry, we knew, Fiona had worked with Kate and that's how I got to know Kate and Gerry, err you know we have probably a, just a, not a tight band of friends but you know its generally the same people, so the people who went, you know a lot of people came our wedding in Italy, who we subsequently had perhaps been on holiday with but we still stay in touch with. Err and if we socialise with anyone then it tends to be the same, same groups of, same group of people, the majority of them medical, obviously apart from Jane and Rachael of course.

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Post by Miraflores on 11.07.14 15:57

I'd not heard the Woman's Hour interview before. I note that Kate says that she writes it for her three children, so that they will know what happened. Surely, one of her three children should know exactly what happened, so won't need to read it in a book?

Jenni Murray talks about the book going into forensic details. Kate seems to struggle with this, and has to have the question clarified, it's almost as though she is being asked about forensic findings.

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Post by Woofer on 11.07.14 16:02

The only way to understand him is to delete all the unnecessaries (and even then its difficult).

1485 "Okay, David, just tell me a bit about yourself, a bit about your family, you're obviously married to Fiona PAYNE, you've told me where you live, just tell me a bit about yourself and her.'
Reply "Okay, err as I say we have two children........ I say we both work as hospital Doctors err we both, err myself and Fiona trained in Leicester err where we graduated from err we both, we met when we were at Medical School and err yeah on the whole we've worked in the Leicestershire err region. Err you know we're both very happy, err''...............

.........Okay. Tell me about your social circle.'
Reply "Okay, err you know, when we got married, we actually got married in Italy and the majority of friends of ours unfortunately, or fortunately, are in the medical profession, I think it's the way it works with the hours and err yeah the nature of the job and exams etcetera, like you tend to socialise quite a lot with medical people. Err obviously the, you know the group who went to Portugal, Russell, err who I knew through, he was in my year at medical school, err subsequently obviously I knew Jane through Russell. Err in terms of Kate and Gerry, we knew, Fiona had worked with Kate and that's how I got to know Kate and Gerry, err you know we have probably a, just a, not a tight band of friends but you know its generally the same people, so the people who went, you know a lot of people came our wedding in Italy, who we subsequently had perhaps been on holiday with but we still stay in touch with. Err and if we socialise with anyone then it tends to be the same, same groups of, same group of people, the majority of them medical, obviously apart from Jane and Rachael of course.


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Post by ultimaThule on 11.07.14 16:04

@Ashwarya wrote:I think all their problems stem from the fact that they are simply incapable of grasping that for any normal person the loss of a child would be an event of such chilling enormity and immeasurable grief that nothing else would matter.  Nothing would have kept them from a frantic search of the resort on the alleged night it happened, let alone the dark or needing to sleep!  Everything they have done since then has continued to be wrong but thanks to the British media the majority, who don't think for themselves, were fed the approved version and swallowed it hook, line and sinker.  No-one genuinely in the situation they claimed to find themselves in would give more than a passing thought to what the police or Mr Bennett or anyone else were saying.   Normal parents would always blame themselves anyway for such an event and would be overwhelmed with grief and fear for their child.  The judge in this case is clearly not star-struck by them (as Lord Leveson bizarrely appeared to be) and I hope very much that there will be a just conclusion to it all for the policeman whose only crime was his determination to find out what had happened to a small defenceless child.

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Your post is extremely well-observed, Ashwarya, and goes to the crux of the matter which is that by no stretch of the imagination can this couple be termed 'normal' parents whose devastation at the loss of their child in such circumstances would render them incapable of caring about, or even taking notice of, what others may be saying and their endless self-criticism for having left 3 infants on their own in an unlocked apartment would far outweigh that which anyone else could level at them.

It's to be hoped that the velvet gloves with which, hitherto, the McCanns and their Tapas pals appear to have been handled are merely the covering for iron fists which will eventually squeeze the truth out of them.

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Post by PeterMac on 11.07.14 16:10


Judge - Have you ever heard about a book written by Paulo Pereira Cristovão? ['A Estrela de Madeleine' (Madeleine's Star) pub. 2008]
Gerald McCann - Vaguely...

Judge - Have you ever heard about a book written by Manuel Catarino? ['A Culpa dos McCann' (The McCann's Guilt) pub. 2007]
Gerald McCann - I can't say I have no. I don't remember that name.

Judge - Have you ever heard about a book written by Hernâni Carvalho? ['Maddie 129' pub. 2007]
Gerald McCann - I know about Mr. Carvalho's comments in the press about Mr. Amaral's book.

Judge - But you never read the book?
Gerald McCann - No, I haven't.

Very strange indeed.
Each book might just contain a germ of an idea, a new explanation, the possibility that - particularly in those written by journalists - someone might have discovered a new piece of information or evidence
They might have stumbled across a "revelation".  A realisation of how the pieces of the jigsaw fitted together, and all they now had to do was go to Number 5231 and knock on the door and get her back.

But no.
They contain "Facts" which are not "true"
Who says
I DO AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE I'LL GET MY FRIEND TO COME AND BEAT YOU UP AND TAKE A THIRD OF YOUR MONEY

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Post by Brian Griffin on 11.07.14 16:20

@aiyoyo wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
The book contains nothing new that wasn't already in the public domain.

Precisely.

There  is no case against Amaral.

None.

The case against Amaral is that the book caused damage to their emotional, private and social life.
However, Amaral's new lawyer got Kate to concede they were supported by Celebrity (Angelina Jolie for example), got invited to high society social function with royalty, and she even was made ambassador for Missing People, therefore no social destruction.

As for emotional damage, she admitted she did not suffer clinical depression.
Basically they have no leg to stand on.
It's just their vendetta against Amaral since other people have written books about their case and they were not sued.
Why target only Amaral, why not the state of Portugal and other authors?

The Judge made it clear their libelous contention is not under her remit.
Would mccanns dare file their libel case against Amaral under criminal offence?  We know the answer to that, they wont go near the stand, not for that nature of  cross examination anyway.
Well, they did target Tony Bennett, and the papers in the UK seem terrified to print anything overtly negative about the McCanns or the case, so perhaps it if just English-language writings they see as a threat. This is, ultimately, pointless as so many people now have access to the Internet and the entire text of Amaral's book in English.

Regarding depression, I find it difficult to believe that anyone, especially a mother, would NOT suffer depression over the loss of a child. To admit that she didn't in a trial where their side depends on showing how badly something affected her is truly bizarre! Are they so unaware of the way 'real people' think? Just my opinion, of course.

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Post by ultimaThule on 11.07.14 16:26

@PeterMac wrote:
< snip >

They contain "Facts" which are not "true"
Who says
I DO AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE I'LL GET MY FRIEND TO COME AND BEAT YOU UP AND TAKE A THIRD OF YOUR MONEY

May I ask what significance the 'third' has as I'm aware you've referred to it in other posts, PeterM?

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Post by Jauna Loca on 11.07.14 16:29

@Iamtheseeker wrote:Was the real reason for their lack of "sleep" the fact that their guilt of neglect came to haunt them ? big grin Or is it the fear of going to prison one day ? big grin
The latter, I'd imagine. Seem immune to the former!

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Post by PeterMac on 11.07.14 16:33

@ultimaThule wrote:
May I ask what significance the 'third' has as I'm aware you've referred to it in other posts, PeterM?

Carter-Ruck's = McCanns' costs awarded against TB amount approximately to one third of his State Pension, to be paid every month for, very possibly, the rest of his life.

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Post by Cristobell on 11.07.14 16:36

daffodil wrote:
@Ashwarya wrote:I think all their problems stem from the fact that they are simply incapable of grasping that for any normal person the loss of a child would be an event of such chilling enormity and immeasurable grief that nothing else would matter.  Nothing would have kept them from a frantic search of the resort on the alleged night it happened, let alone the dark or needing to sleep!  Everything they have done since then has continued to be wrong but thanks to the British media the majority, who don't think for themselves, were fed the approved version and swallowed it hook, line and sinker.  No-one genuinely in the situation they claimed to find themselves in would give more than a passing thought to what the police or Mr Bennett or anyone else were saying.   Normal parents would always blame themselves anyway for such an event and would be overwhelmed with grief and fear for their child.  The judge in this case is clearly not star-struck by them (as Lord Leveson bizarrely appeared to be) and I hope very much that there will be a just conclusion to it all for the policeman whose only crime was his determination to find out what had happened to a small defenceless child.

Very well said Ashwarya.     thumbup
And from me too  bravo

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Post by Guest on 11.07.14 16:37

@Jauna Loca wrote:
@Iamtheseeker wrote:Was the real reason for their lack of "sleep" the fact that their guilt of neglect came to haunt them ? big grin Or is it the fear of going to prison one day ? big grin
The latter, I'd imagine. Seem immune to the former!
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Post by nglfi on 11.07.14 16:51

I think the reason they've gone after Amaral rather than the other authors (Well, their stated reason anyway), is that as the official police officer in charge of the case, his opinions and statements hold a lot more weight in the mind of the general public. People are apparently entitled to 'purport theories', but I think they thought it would be easy prey to go after Amaral for this reason and assumed he would settle out of court.

ETA Is it just me or is the word 'purport' used incorrectly by Gerry here? It's something I've always thought doesn't sound right.

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Post by ultimaThule on 11.07.14 17:04

@PeterMac wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
May I ask what significance the 'third' has as I'm aware you've referred to it in other posts, PeterM?

Carter-Ruck's = McCanns' costs awarded against TB amount approximately to one third of his State Pension, to be paid every month for, very possibly, the rest of his life.

The penny drops  smilie but as it's my understanding that TB is required to pay £125 per month and state pension is currently c£113 per week, or c£148 per week with pension credit, in the interest of strict accuracy perhaps a 'quarter' would be a more appropriate amount to cite?  

That said, a reduction in income of some 25% is not a state to be desired at the back end of one's life and, hopefully, COLD has done much to alleviate the shortfall.

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Post by Garrincha on 11.07.14 17:20

This is what I can’t get my head around:
 
Even after TM’s so-called “witnesses” testified there seems to be not one piece of (even prima facie) evidence to support this action. It seems to be hearsay from start to finish.
 
Yet TM have been able to freeze GA’s resources & tie him up in a case for over 5 years (I believe) – how??
 
How did this case even get to court in the first instance?
 
Is there not some threshold level regarding prima facie evidence which must be reached beforehand?
 
Why was this case even entertained in the first instance by the Portuguese courts?
 
And how on earth can it still remained unresolved after all this time?
 

And how on earth is it possible that there is still a chance GA will lose (as it appears there is)?

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Post by ultimaThule on 11.07.14 17:33

@nglfi wrote:I think the reason they've gone after Amaral rather than the other authors (Well, their stated reason anyway), is that as the official police officer in charge of the case, his opinions and statements hold a lot more weight in the mind of the general public. People are apparently entitled to 'purport theories', but I think they thought it would be easy prey to go after Amaral for this reason and assumed he would settle out of court.

ETA Is it just me or is the word 'purport' used incorrectly by Gerry here? It's something I've always thought doesn't sound right.

As their experience hitherto has been that anyone or any institution they've threatened with libel action in the UK has rolled over, it seems to me the McCanns assumed the same would apply if they went after Dr Amaral, ngfli, but it appears they not only underestimated him, they also made a severe error in naming three other parties in the proceedings they've instituted in the Portuguese courts.

Can you please link to Gerry's use of the word 'purport'?

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Post by aquila on 11.07.14 17:40

@ultimaThule wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
May I ask what significance the 'third' has as I'm aware you've referred to it in other posts, PeterM?

Carter-Ruck's = McCanns' costs awarded against TB amount approximately to one third of his State Pension, to be paid every month for, very possibly, the rest of his life.

The penny drops  smilie but as it's my understanding that TB is required to pay £125 per month and state pension is currently c£113 per week, or c£148 per week with pension credit, in the interest of strict accuracy perhaps a 'quarter' would be a more appropriate amount to cite?  

That said, a reduction in income of some 25% is not a state to be desired at the back end of one's life and, hopefully, COLD has done much to alleviate the shortfall.
How circa figures quoted can be equated 'in the interest of strict accuracy' I have no idea.

I do recall however that you did ask a little while ago about COLD and its contributions. If your interest in COLD's contribution to anything concerns you why not just come out and say it?

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Post by Praiaaa on 11.07.14 17:47

@Garrincha wrote:This is what I can’t get my head around:
 
Even after TM’s so-called “witnesses” testified there seems to be not one piece of (even prima facie) evidence to support this action. It seems to be hearsay from start to finish.
 
Yet TM have been able to freeze GA’s resources & tie him up in a case for over 5 years (I believe) – how??
 
How did this case even get to court in the first instance?
 
Is there not some threshold level regarding prima facie evidence which must be reached beforehand?
 
Why was this case even entertained in the first instance by the Portuguese courts?
 
And how on earth can it still remained unresolved after all this time?
 

And how on earth is it possible that there is still a chance GA will lose (as it appears there is)?
Completely agree - perplexing.
How can a vexatious litigant achieve so much damage to a person for so long - terrifying that this can happen.
And any parent,  from the day their first child is born, 'carries their heart outside their body'  - they really do. I cannot comprehend  surviving in anything other than a hollow shell of existence if a child is  missing - maybe still alive in a hellish existence/maybe having died horrifically - how could it have been a peaceful death?? Which is why we mothers (and fathers too, I'm sure) feel a visceral connection with Winnie Bennett and Kerry Needham, and have no connection with KM. I don't buy this 'Doctors can distance themselves from death, they are doctors' No. I am a laid back (doctor) and non-smothering parent, but when one of my children went missing for a short time because he got lost on a cliff walk and I felt guilty for letting him go, I died inside, and if he had not turned up, I would still be dead - barely functioning physically, and certainly not without heavy medication. Just not possible to have any semblance of normal life. If a child dies - you can survive. if a child is missing, you simply can't. Your marriage dies - it cannot continue - and you can only look after surviving children while heavily medicated. IMO, if TM are innocent, they would be on heavy medication. GM shown no sign of that. He has a job, he jokes with interviewers, he jogs.

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Post by Justformaddie on 11.07.14 18:04

Ga was the top man of the investigation, they go for him because he is the one who caught up with them and was prepared to fight them for the truth. I honestly think they thought they'd get away with this, but a lot of people clicked on early. GA is the one who used the facts for his book and it's the facts they don't like or want "out there". If they win this, they'll think everyone will believe their version of events with the top man down. Little do they know, it's way too late for that now, the dogs have already spoken and forensics found no trace of any burglar or stranger. 
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Post by ShuBob on 11.07.14 18:05

@Garrincha wrote:This is what I can’t get my head around:
 
Even after TM’s so-called “witnesses” testified there seems to be not one piece of (even prima facie) evidence to support this action. It seems to be hearsay from start to finish.
 
Yet TM have been able to freeze GA’s resources & tie him up in a case for over 5 years (I believe) – how??
 
How did this case even get to court in the first instance?
 
Is there not some threshold level regarding prima facie evidence which must be reached beforehand?
 
Why was this case even entertained in the first instance by the Portuguese courts?
 
And how on earth can it still remained unresolved after all this time?
 

And how on earth is it possible that there is still a chance GA will lose (as it appears there is)?

I've been asking myself these very questions Garrincha. I just don't get it  nah 

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Post by Brian Griffin on 11.07.14 19:03

@ultimaThule wrote:
@nglfi wrote:I think the reason they've gone after Amaral rather than the other authors (Well, their stated reason anyway), is that as the official police officer in charge of the case, his opinions and statements hold a lot more weight in the mind of the general public. People are apparently entitled to 'purport theories', but I think they thought it would be easy prey to go after Amaral for this reason and assumed he would settle out of court.

ETA Is it just me or is the word 'purport' used incorrectly by Gerry here? It's something I've always thought doesn't sound right.

As their experience hitherto has been that anyone or any institution they've threatened with libel action in the UK has rolled over, it seems to me the McCanns assumed the same would apply if they went after Dr Amaral, ngfli, but it appears they not only underestimated him, they also made a severe error in naming three other parties in the proceedings they've instituted in the Portuguese courts.

Can you please link to Gerry's use of the word 'purport'?
A lot of things Gerry says don't sound right. For example, to my ears it sounds as though he is saying 'hit' rather than 'hid' in that interview outside the courts - I mean the latest one. That thick Glaswegian accent is hardly a thing of beauty. Neither is her Scouse for that matter. A match made is 'Evven.

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Post by MrsC on 11.07.14 19:07

@Brian Griffin wrote: A match made is 'Evven.

...or more likely 'ell.

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